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Chain and Authentication
« on: December 02, 2016, 04:19:47 PM »
Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,
I wanted to know the chain for this narration and whether or not it is authentic.  The article says that the narration is authentic but a ShiaChat member stated that it is not authentic because it comes via Shareek ibn Abi Nimr (who would make mistakes) and `Abd ar-Rahman b. `Abdullah b. Dinar (who was weakened).

في بيتي أنزلت : ? إنما يريد الله ليذهب عنكم الرجس أهل البيت ويطهركم تطهيرا ? قالت : فأرسل رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم إلى فاطمة وعلي والحسن والحسين ، فقال : هؤلاء أهل بيتي ، وفي حديث القاضي والسمي : هؤلاء أهلي ، قالت : فقلت : يا رسول الله ! أما أنا من أهل البيت ؟ قال : بلى إن شاء الله تعالى
الراوي: أم سلمة المحدث: الحاكم – المصدر: السنن الكبرى للبيهقي – الصفحة أو الرقم: 2/150
خلاصة حكم المحدث: صحيح سنده ثقات رواته

a. Umm Salmah said: in my house these verses were revealed ” God wants to remove all kinds of uncleanliness from you Ahlul-Bayt and to purify you thoroughly.” So the Prophet PBUH called for Ali and Fatima and Hassan and Hussein and then said: These are Ahlu-Bayti, In the Hadith of al Qadi and al Summi: They are Ahly. So I said: O Messenger of Allah! aren’t I also from your Ahlul-Bayt? He said: yes you are Inshallah.

Muhaddith: Al Hakim from al Sunan al kubrah for Bayhaqi.
Hadith rank: Isnad SAHIH narrators all trustworthy.

عن أم سلمة قالت : في بيتي أنزلت { إنما يريد الله ليذهب عنكم الرجس أهل البيت } قالت : فأرسل رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم إلى فاطمة وعلي والحسن والحسين ، فقال : هؤلاء أهل بيتي . قالت : فقلت : يا رسول الله أما أنا من أهل البيت ؟ قال : بلى إن شاء الله
الراوي: أم سلمة هند بنت أبي أمية المحدث: البغوي – المصدر: شرح السنة – الصفحة أو الرقم: 7/204
خلاصة حكم المحدث: إسناده صحيح

b. Umm Salmah said: in my house it was revealed ” God wants to remove all kinds of uncleanliness from you Ahlul-Bayt ” So the Prophet PBUH then sent after Ali and Fatima and Hassan and Hussein. He said: these are my Ahlul-Bayt. So Umm Salamah said: O Messenger of Allah? am I not also from your Ahlul-Bayt !? He said: yes Inshallah.

Narrator: Umm Salamah Hind bint Abu Umayyah.
Muhaddith: Al baghawi. in Sharh al Sunnah.
Hadith rank: Isnad SAHIH

Farid

Re: Chain and Authentication
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2016, 07:48:17 PM »
Wa alaykum alsalam wa rahmatullah,

I vaguely remember going through the chains of Al Kisa a while ago. I think Hani did as well. This deserves a second look. Sadly, I do not have the time at the moment and I have other projects on hand that I do not want to get distracted from.


AE

Re: Chain and Authentication
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2017, 06:36:59 AM »
Talking about Sharik ibn Abi Nimr.

Bayhaki narrated this hadith in his "Sunnan" 2/214 (thq Muhammad Abdulqadir Ata). Imam Bayhaki after narrating this report himself authenticated all chain of narrators. So ibn Abi Nimr thiqah in the view of Bayhaki.
He was graded as thiqah by imam Abu Dawud as well. Nasai and Yahya said there is no problem with him. And other report from Nasai: He is not so strong. (See Siyar of Dhahabi)
Reports of such narrator could fall under a category sahih li ghayrihi, or hasan li zatihi. Not less than this.

Same goes for Abdurrahman ibn Abdullah ibn Dinar who was described like "truthful use to err" by ibn Hajar in Taqrib.
Imam Bukhari use to not only narrate, but rely on him in his book.

Wa Allahu Alam



 

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