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Title: Did Abu Bakr (RA) read the funeral prayer of Fatima (RA)?
Post by: Optimus Prime on May 05, 2015, 07:29:54 PM
As per the title. I was told on HCY that the narration is weak, but I don't think this one is from the same source. It's different, and I was wondering if someone can confirm it's authentic?

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?85135-Fatima-(ra)-hated-Abu-bakr-(ra)-!&p=735566&viewfull=1#post735566

The user is adamant it's authentic, but I'm not so sure.

Here is the narration:

 صلى أبو بكر رضي الله عنه على فاطمة بنت رسول الله فكبر عليها أربعًا
 
Hammad narrate from Ibrahim Nakhi that Hz. Abu Bakr[ra] lead salah-e-Janaza of Bibi Fatima Bint Muhammad[ra] with four Takbeers [ Tabqaat(Ibn Saad) Vol 8, Page 16]
 
4) When Hz. Fatima[ra] died Hz. Abu Bakr[ra] and Hz. Umar[ra] came, Hz. Abu Bakr[ra] asked Hz. Ali[ra] to lead prayer, Hz.Ali[ra] declined and said in presence of Khalifa of RasoolAllah[saw] how can I.
 
[ Ali Mutaqi Al Nahdi author of Kanzal Amaal Vol 6 page 318, narrated through Khatib from Baqir]
Title: Re: Did Abu Bakr (RA) read the funeral prayer of Fatima (RA)?
Post by: Hani on May 05, 2015, 07:57:27 PM
Ibrahim al-Nakha`i wasn't born in the time of Abu Bakr.
Title: Re: Did Abu Bakr (RA) read the funeral prayer of Fatima (RA)?
Post by: Optimus Prime on May 05, 2015, 10:35:14 PM
Ibrahim al-Nakha`i wasn't born in the time of Abu Bakr.

So, you're saying it's a fabrication?

What about the first source? Tabwaat (Ibn Saad)?
Title: Re: Did Abu Bakr (RA) read the funeral prayer of Fatima (RA)?
Post by: Hani on May 06, 2015, 02:59:16 PM
I'm not saying it's a fabrication, I'm just saying weak because of disconnection.

And that is the Ibn Sa`d one.

As for the names of sources, they're all incorrect.

"Ali Mutaqi Al Nahdi author of Kanzal Amaal"

His name is al-Muttaqi al-Hindi and his book is Kanz-ul-`Ummal.

Title: Re: Did Abu Bakr (RA) read the funeral prayer of Fatima (RA)?
Post by: Optimus Prime on May 06, 2015, 03:34:21 PM
I'm not saying it's a fabrication, I'm just saying weak because of disconnection.

And that is the Ibn Sa`d one.

As for the names of sources, they're all incorrect.

"Ali Mutaqi Al Nahdi author of Kanzal Amaal"

His name is al-Muttaqi al-Hindi and his book is Kanz-ul-`Ummal.



Thanks for clarifying.

What about the narration from the other source, Kanz-ul-`Ummal?

Is it the same narration?

Title: Re: Did Abu Bakr (RA) read the funeral prayer of Fatima (RA)?
Post by: Hani on May 06, 2015, 07:10:46 PM
no, but i know its weak.
Title: Re: Did Abu Bakr (RA) read the funeral prayer of Fatima (RA)?
Post by: Farid on May 06, 2015, 07:45:36 PM
Brother, Kanz Al-Ummal is a very late source. Here, he is quoting a book called Ruwat Malik by Al-Khateeb Al-Baghdaadi, which is unfortunately lost.

Basically, the narration is from Malik from Ja'afar Al-Sadiq from his father. However, we do not have the chain from Al-Khateeb to Imam Malik.