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Interesting statistic re: number of narrations on the authority of Ali (r)

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Khaled

Interesting statistic re: number of narrations on the authority of Ali (r)
« on: July 02, 2015, 11:20:48 PM »
One of the main argument Shi'is have against Sunnis is that we are Nawasib and we hate Ali رضي الله عنه.  The worst of us, according to the Shi'is, is the Hanaabilah, headed by Ahmad bin Hanbal رحمه الله.

Now, most of you know one of the biggest hadeeth Encyclopedias written in the time of the Salaf was the "Musnad" compiled by Ahmad bin Hanbal رحمه الله.  In it, he categorizes his ahadeeth the name of the Companion who narrated them; so he starts out with a chapter on Abu Bark's narrations, then Omar, then Uthman, then Ali etc.

The number of narrations he narrates on the authority of Ali رضي الله عنه is: 804, while the number of narrations found in the four books of Shi'i hadeeth is only 690.  Meaning, by himself, Imam Ahmad narrated more reports on the authority of Ali رضي الله عنه then all the major Shi'a hadeeth books combined.

Amusingly enough, when comparing narrations on the authority of Hassan: Imam Ahmad has 19 while the Shi'i books have 21, and on the authority of Hussayn: Imam Ahmad has 18 while the Shi'a have ONLY 7!!
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كلُّ سُلامى من الناس عليه صدقة كلَّ يوم تطلع فيه الشمس، تَعدلُ بين اثنين صدقة، وتعين الرَّجل في دابَّته فتحمله عليها أو ترفع له عليها متاعَه صدقة، والكلمةُ الطيِّبة صدقة، وبكلِّ خطوة تَمشيها إلى الصلاة صدقة، وتُميط الأذى عن الطريق صدقة

Al Dukhan

Re: Interesting statistic re: number of narrations on the authority of Ali (r)
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2015, 11:34:20 PM »
SubhanAllah !
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scusemyenglish

Re: Interesting statistic re: number of narrations on the authority of Ali (r)
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2016, 08:11:52 PM »
Also in Shia books there are no lot of hadith from Ali?

You Know why there are no lot of hadith from Ali in generally?
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Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

scusemyenglish

Re: Interesting statistic re: number of narrations on the authority of Ali (r)
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2016, 09:36:58 PM »
I have read that Ali have between 100/ 200 hadith in all our books.

It's true?
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Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

Hani

Re: Interesting statistic re: number of narrations on the authority of Ali (r)
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2016, 11:46:16 PM »
Nader Zaveri did a statistic on this I recall. Refer to that as well.
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عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

scusemyenglish

Re: Interesting statistic re: number of narrations on the authority of Ali (r)
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2016, 02:50:09 AM »
Quote from: Hani on April 29, 2016, 11:46:16 PM
Nader Zaveri did a statistic on this I recall. Refer to that as well.

sorry bro i have not find
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Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

scusemyenglish

Re: Interesting statistic re: number of narrations on the authority of Ali (r)
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2016, 09:38:15 PM »
Someone have the number of hadith from Ali in our Hadith?

And you have the number of hadith from Abou Bakr, Omar and othman?
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Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

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Re: Interesting statistic re: number of narrations on the authority of Ali (r)
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2016, 02:53:17 AM »
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در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

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scusemyenglish

Re: Interesting statistic re: number of narrations on the authority of Ali (r)
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2016, 12:36:29 PM »
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Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

MuslimK

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Re: Interesting statistic re: number of narrations on the authority of Ali (r)
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2016, 04:41:18 PM »
No, he only showed statistics for the four main Shia hadith books and six main Sunni hadith books.

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در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

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scusemyenglish

Re: Interesting statistic re: number of narrations on the authority of Ali (r)
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2016, 06:03:28 PM »
Slm and we have statistics about Merites of Ali? He is the one who has the most hadith about his merites in our books?
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Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”
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