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Title: Is this an authentic statement of Ali (RA)?
Post by: Optimus Prime on May 05, 2016, 01:58:39 AM
Hafiz Ibn Katheer (R. A.) reports that none other than Ali(Radhiallaahu Anhu) said after the Battle of Siffin:'O people, do nothate or talk ill of the leadership of Mu'awiya (Radhiallaahu Anhu), forif you loose him it would be such a tragedy as if you see your limbsfalling from your bodies'.

Taken from here: http://www.muftisays.com/forums/36-nabi-s--sahaabah-stories/2760-muawiyah-radhiallaahu-anhu.html?p=14068#14068
Title: Re: Is this an authentic statement of Ali (RA)?
Post by: Farid on May 05, 2016, 02:22:06 AM
It isn't akhi.
Title: Re: Is this an authentic statement of Ali (RA)?
Post by: Optimus Prime on May 05, 2016, 07:08:20 AM
Quote from: Farid on May 05, 2016, 02:22:06 AM
It isn't akhi.

Can, you explain why, akhi?
Title: Re: Is this an authentic statement of Ali (RA)?
Post by: Farid on May 05, 2016, 11:39:55 AM
Because Mu'awiyah was not a leader yet. They were still at war after Siffeen.

It smells like a fabrication.
Title: Re: Is this an authentic statement of Ali (RA)?
Post by: Farid on May 05, 2016, 11:52:50 AM
I found the narration and it is by Al Harith Al A'awar, the liar.
Title: Re: Is this an authentic statement of Ali (RA)?
Post by: Optimus Prime on May 05, 2016, 02:17:15 PM
Quote from: Farid on May 05, 2016, 11:39:55 AM
Because Mu'awiyah was not a leader yet. They were still at war after Siffeen.

It smells like a fabrication.

Perhaps, he meant as the govenor of Syria?
Title: Re: Is this an authentic statement of Ali (RA)?
Post by: Optimus Prime on May 05, 2016, 02:17:46 PM
Quote from: Farid on May 05, 2016, 11:52:50 AM
I found the narration and it is by Al Harith Al A'awar, the liar.

Is he the narrator or the source?

Can, you post the entire narration, please?
Title: Re: Is this an authentic statement of Ali (RA)?
Post by: Optimus Prime on May 05, 2016, 03:33:12 PM
EDIT:

Wrong thread.
Title: Re: Is this an authentic statement of Ali (RA)?
Post by: Farid on May 05, 2016, 04:20:37 PM
The narration is in Ibn Saad's Tabaqat.

It says: After Ali came from Siffeen and realized that he cannot win, he started to say what he never said before. He then said, "Don't hate the rule of Muawiyah, or else you will see heads rolling off." Something along those lines.
Title: Re: Is this an authentic statement of Ali (RA)?
Post by: Optimus Prime on May 05, 2016, 04:30:06 PM
Quote from: Farid on May 05, 2016, 04:20:37 PM
The narration is in Ibn Saad's Tabaqat.

It says: After Ali came from Siffeen and realized that he cannot win, he started to say what he never said before. He then said, "Don't hate the rule of Muawiyah, or else you will see heads rolling off." Something along those lines.

Can, you offer the Hadith/page number, please?
Title: Re: Is this an authentic statement of Ali (RA)?
Post by: Farid on May 05, 2016, 04:54:56 PM
https://library.islamweb.net/hadith/display_hbook.php?bk_no=82&pid=45785&hid=10794

Hadith #10794
Title: Re: Is this an authentic statement of Ali (RA)?
Post by: Optimus Prime on May 05, 2016, 05:35:38 PM
Quote from: Farid on May 05, 2016, 04:54:56 PM
https://library.islamweb.net/hadith/display_hbook.php?bk_no=82&pid=45785&hid=10794

Hadith #10794

Jazak'Allah.
Title: Re: Is this an authentic statement of Ali (RA)?
Post by: Noor-us-Sunnah on May 05, 2016, 07:03:43 PM
@ Farid

Is this report authentic?


ذكر أبو إسحاق إبراهيم بن عبد الرحمن القزويني قال : حدثنا أبو بكر محمد بن الفضل الطبري ، حدثنا هناد بن السري ، حدثنا عبد الرحيم بن سليمان ، عن عباد بن كثير ، حدثني عبد الله بن محمد بن عقيل ، سمعت جابر بن عبد الله الأنصاري ، يقول : خرجنا مع رسول الله - صلى الله عليه وسلم - إلى غزوة تبوك ، حتى إذا كنا عند العقبة مما يلي الشام جئن نسوة ، فذكرنا تمتعنا وهن يجلن في رحالنا ، أو قال : يطفن في رحالنا ، فجاءنا رسول الله - صلى الله عليه وسلم - فنظر إليهن ، فقال : من هؤلاء النسوة ؟ فقلنا : يا رسول الله ، نسوة تمتعنا منهن . فغضب رسول الله - صلى الله عليه وسلم - حتى احمرت وجنتاه ، وتمعر لونه ، واشتد غضبه ، فقام فينا فحمد الله وأثنى عليه ، ثم نهى عن المتعة ، فتوادعنا يومئذ الرجال والنساء ، ولم نعد ، ولا نعود لها أبدا ، فبها سميت يومئذ ثنية الوداع