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Title: Shias Attribute Fabricated Hadith to Muslim
Post by: Farid on December 16, 2015, 03:30:36 PM

Salam

There is a hadith that you can find all over the net, in tens of websites, both Arabic and English (inc. shiachat recently), which says:

"The position of Ali (A.S) amongst the people is like Surat Qul Hu Allahu Ahad in the Qur’an."

The sources given are:

Muslim, 1/48; Al-Tirmidhi, 2/299; Al-Nisa’i, 27; Musnad Ahmad, 6/299; Ibn Al-Maghazeli, 191.

I looked up those sources and I could only find it in Amr bin Abi Al Miqdam's hadith, which is a fabrication according to the editor.

No, this hadith is not in Muslim, Al Tirmithi, or Al Nasa'ee.

Are these people so desperate that they have decided to come up with false attributions to strengthen their belief?

The age of academic dishonesty is over. You will get caught if you fabricate material on the internet.

Title: Re: Shias Attribute Fabricated Hadith to Muslim
Post by: Khaled on December 16, 2015, 08:57:46 PM

Let's see how long it takes them before any of them actually respond to the OP's question...

Title: Re: Shias Attribute Fabricated Hadith to Muslim
Post by: Bolani Muslim on December 16, 2015, 09:40:54 PM

Their was a Shia a while back who 'quoted' Bukhari saying 'Umar believed 1/3 of the Quran is missing'. Checked Bukhari online and it couldn't be found, lol.

Title: Re: Shias Attribute Fabricated Hadith to Muslim
Post by: Farid on December 16, 2015, 09:47:37 PM

Lol bro Khaled, that's what I was thinking. =]

Title: Re: Shias Attribute Fabricated Hadith to Muslim
Post by: Hadrami on December 16, 2015, 11:53:25 PM

Quote from: Farid on December 16, 2015, 03:30:36 PM

Are these people so desperate that they have decided to come up with false attributions to strengthen their belief?

But, that's what they have been doing for 1000+ years :D

Title: Re: Shias Attribute Fabricated Hadith to Muslim
Post by: Ibn Yahya on December 17, 2015, 02:06:59 AM

I really never got why some people do that. What could they possibly hope to gain from it.

Title: Re: Shias Attribute Fabricated Hadith to Muslim
Post by: Farid on December 18, 2015, 12:03:26 AM

Some guy on Shiachat posted this as a source, confirming what I said, which is that the hadith can be found in Ibn Al Maghazili's book:

(http://i65.tinypic.com/m80g40.png)

Ironically, they were not aware that I have the same edition of the book, which states in the footnotes that the hadith is a fabrication:

(http://i65.tinypic.com/2pobdcx.jpg)

Why are you cropping images ya Shias?!

Please post this on Shiachat to expose them.

Title: Re: Shias Attribute Fabricated Hadith to Muslim
Post by: Husayn on December 18, 2015, 01:09:04 AM

Farid's scan:

(http://i.imgur.com/jZTCwkq.jpg)

Title: Re: Shias Attribute Fabricated Hadith to Muslim
Post by: Husayn on December 18, 2015, 01:36:55 AM

So after getting scolded  8)  I consulted Sheikh Google:

http://almilani.com/%D8%B9%D8%B1%D8%A8%D9%8A/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D8%AC%D8%A7%D9%84/8863

Hadith chain includes عمرو بن أبي المقدام 'Amru bin Abil Miqdaam.

He is a Rafidi narrator - so obviously rejected.

Title: Re: Shias Attribute Fabricated Hadith to Muslim
Post by: أبو ماريا المرزم on December 22, 2015, 02:13:56 AM

Nothing new. I've seen various instances of Shias attributing Shia books to Ahle Sunnah