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Title: Urgent help needed SOON
Post by: Uthman ibn Madhun on November 09, 2017, 08:56:26 PM
Could anyone who is versed in Arabic and Rijal please provide for me references to prove that even a thiqah narrator who is known to have narrated a particular hadith when he has developed memory problems [and if this can be proved] is no longer 'thiqah' but that tradition if all other narrators are so will not be a 'saheeh' but 'hasan' tradition on account of this weakness?

If you could provide as many references and explain why those carry weight, it will be of great benefit.
Title: Re: Urgent help needed SOON
Post by: Optimus Prime on November 10, 2017, 06:48:01 PM
Could anyone who is versed in Arabic and Rijal please provide for me references to prove that even a thiqah narrator who is known to have narrated a particular hadith when he has developed memory problems [and if this can be proved] is no longer 'thiqah' but that tradition if all other narrators are so will not be a 'saheeh' but 'hasan' tradition on account of this weakness?

If you could provide as many references and explain why those carry weight, it will be of great benefit.

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Title: Re: Urgent help needed SOON
Post by: Abu Rumaysah on November 18, 2017, 06:32:20 PM
as Salam Alaykum.

If truthful narrator got memory problems his ahadeth most likely would be rejected.

Ibn Kathir in "al-Bath al-Hathith" (page 668, Maktabatul Maarif) said while speaking about people whose memory became weak due to different reasons (fear; illness; problem): "Whoever heard from such (narrators) before their change, his narrations are accepted, and if someone heard after, or there is a doubt (if he heard after or before) his reports are not accepted".

Hafidh al-Iraqi said: "Ruling regarding those who changed in their memory (ikhtilat), his reports in such state are not accepted". See Hafidh al-Alai "al-Mukhtalatin" p 7.