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Sunni Shia Discussion Forum => Hadith-Rijal => Topic started by: sword_of_sunnah on January 26, 2015, 04:35:07 PM
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Hazrath Aisha [ra] narrates that my father, Hazrath Abu-Bakar [ra], said that out of those Asshab-e-Rasool that abandoned the Prophet [pbuh], left him stranded during the battle of Ohad and ran in fear of death out of the battle field to save their lives I, Abu -Bakar, was the first who faced the Prophet [pbuh] after we received the news that the Prophet [pbuh] was alive but injured. As I was approaching the Prophet [pbuh] somebody held me from behind. I turned around and it was Abu-Ubeydah bin Aljarah. Another companion who fled leaving the Prophet [pbuh]. You will find this narration in the following books:
[1] Mustadrak, volume 3, Almazri, Pages 26 and 27, Written by Allamah Hakim.
[2] Tareekh-Ul-Khamees, Volume1, Page 485, Written by Hussain Diar Bikiri.
[3] Kanzul-Amaal, Volume 5, Page 275, Written by Ali Al-Muthaki.
[4] Masnadul-Jazaar, Volume1, Page 33, Written by Imaam Ahmed bin Hambal.
[5] Kurrathul-Ainain, Page 114, written by Shah Waliullah.
[6] Tareekh-e-Tabari, Volume 2, Page 295.
Tabar bin Jareer narrates that Umar bin Khattaab said during [Jumma-Khutba] that at the battle of Ohad I ,Umar bin Khattaab, abandoned the Prophet [pbuh], left the Prophet stranded and ran in fear of death to save my life. I climbed up the hill and started jumping around from hill to hill with fright like a goat. You will find this narration in detail in the following books:
[1] Durr-e-Mansoor, Volume 3, Page 88, Written by Allama Sayuthi
[3] Azalatul-Kuffa, Volume 2, Maqsood, Page 49.
[4] Kanzul-Emaal, Volume1, Page 238, written bi Ali Al-muthaki.
Abdullah bin Umar bin Khattaab narrates that Usmaan bin Afaan, Saad bin Usmaan and Ukbah bin Usmaan during the battle of Ohad abandoned the Prophet [pbuh], left the Prophet [pbuh] stranded during the battle of Ohad and ran in fear of death out of the battle field to save their lives. They ran with such fear that it affected their senses. They ran 3 miles out of Madina before they came to their senses and then they returned back and took refuge for 3 days in a place called Awaas just outside Madina because they were so frightened that the Mushriks and Kafirs of Mecca might come after them into Madina. When they received the news that the Prophet [pbuh] is alive but injured then they went towards Madina. You will find this narration in detail in the following books:
[1] Tafseer-e-Kabeer, Miftah-Ul-Ghaib, Written by Fakhar-Udeen-Razi.
[3]Tareekh-Ul-Ummam, Volume3, Almalook, Page 21, Written by Muhammed bin Jareed Athabari.
[4] Tareekhul-Kamaal, Volume 2, Page 60, Written by Allama Ibne Aseer.
[5] Tareekh Habib-Ul-Sehar, Volume1, Part3, Page 37.
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Hazrath Aisha [ra] narrates that my father, Hazrath Abu-Bakar [ra], said that out of those Asshab-e-Rasool that abandoned the Prophet [pbuh], left him stranded during the battle of Ohad and ran in fear of death out of the battle field to save their lives I, Abu -Bakar, was the first who faced the Prophet [pbuh] after we received the news that the Prophet [pbuh] was alive but injured. As I was approaching the Prophet [pbuh] somebody held me from behind. I turned around and it was Abu-Ubeydah bin Aljarah. Another companion who fled leaving the Prophet [pbuh]. You will find this narration in the following books:
[1] Mustadrak, volume 3, Almazri, Pages 26 and 27, Written by Allamah Hakim.
here is the hadith from Mostadrak:
4315 - حدثنا أبو بكر بن أبي دارم الحافظ بالكوفة ثنا محمد بن عثمان بن أبي شيبة ثنا منجاب بن الحارث حدثني علي بن أبي بكر الرازي ثنا محمد بن إسحاق بن يحيى بن طلحة عن موسى بن طلحة عن عائشة رضي الله عنها قالت قال أبو بكر الصديق رضي الله عنه : لما جال الناس على رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم يوم أحد كنت أول من فاء إلى رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم فبصرت به من بعد فإذا أنا برجل قد اعتنقني من خلفي مثل الطير يريد رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم فإذا هو أبو عبيدة بن الجراح و إذا أنا برجل يرفعه مرة و يضعه اخرى فقلت : أما إذا اخطأني لأن أكون أنا هو مع رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم و يجيئ طلحة فذاك أنا وأمر فانتهينا إليه فإذا طلحة يرفعه مرة و يضعه اخرى و إذا بطلحة ست و ستون جراحة و قد قطعت إحداهن أكحله فإذا رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم قد ضرب على وجنتيه فلزقت حلقتان من حلق المغفر في وجنتيه فلما رأى أبو عبيدة ما برسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم ناشدني الله لما أن خليت بيني و بين رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم فانتزع إحداهما بثنيته فمدها فندرت و ندرت ثنيته ثم نظر إلى الأخرى فناشدني الله لما أن خليت بيني و بين رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم فانتهزها بالثنية الأخرى فمدها فندرت و ندرت ثنيته فكان أبو عبيدة أثرم الثنايا
هذا حديث صحيح الإسناد و لم يخرجاه
تعليق الذهبي قي التلخيص : ابن إسحاق متروك
In the chain is Muhammad ibn Ishaq ibn Yahya ibn Talha, and he was abandoned as Dhahabi said in Talkhis.
Also there is problem with the translation. The following words are not there in it.
Hazrath Abu-Bakar [ra], said that out of those Asshab-e-Rasool that abandoned the Prophet [pbuh], left him stranded during the battle of Ohad and ran in fear of death out of the battle field to save their lives
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So, all these narrations are either weak or fabricated?
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Hard to know without the arabic text.
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So, all these narrations are either weak or fabricated?
Nothing new here. We already expect this from you.
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Ameen - you've made 326 posts here, and all of them have been useless.
Can you please leave?
Or, can some admin ban him?
He clearly has nothing to contribute.
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So, all these narrations are either weak or fabricated?
Yes. For the last one, it doesn't have a chain.
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Ameen - you've made 326 posts here, and all of them have been useless.
Can you please leave?
Or, can some admin ban him?
He clearly has nothing to contribute.
Well it's obvious that none of my posts suits your belief. If I automatically agreed and cheered you up then all my posts would have been usefull.
Is it surprising that what ever is put forward by yourkind is automatically authentic, reliable and strong but what ever the opposition puts forward is always the opposite. It's unreliable, fabricated and weak.
Give me one thing, just one single thing that goes against any of the first three khalis, the accused no matter how minor and you have accepted it.
Is all a one sided show. I refute with reason and logic, I put the otherside of the argument forward, I bring in other possibilities, I get people to think differently and this is what discussion is all about.
Discussion and debate is not about blindly agreeing and cheering one up. And it is also not about rejecting and refuting every single thing that goes against you and accepting everything that suits you and falls in to your favour.
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You don't give arguments, you only ask questions (endlessly) and you belittle your opponents often and accuse them of false things. (Such as being one sided or hypocrites or ignorant).
Which is why no one is showing much interest in your posts anymore.
Remember when you first came on, how I was discussing Fadak with you and other matters, yet now I don't show much interest in what you write.
Stop blaming others for your shortcomings, if you haven't researched deep into topics, then ask sincerely and don't ask in a sarcastic pathetic way. We here are responsible for providing you with the authentic Islamic opinion on every matter from Imamah to Tareekh to Firaq, so make use of your stay here and try to learn.
If there is a topic that you have deeply researched and are capable of discussing academically by quoting books and analyzing opinions, by all means open a thread and we'll discuss it InshaAllah. (As long as it's not useless like the topic of "Takfeer" you wasted our time with).
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You don't give arguments, you only ask questions (endlessly) and you belittle your opponents often and accuse them of false things. (Such as being one sided or hypocrites or ignorant).
Which is why no one is showing much interest in your posts anymore.
Remember when you first came on, how I was discussing Fadak with you and other matters, yet now I don't show much interest in what you write.
Stop blaming others for your shortcomings, if you haven't researched deep into topics, then ask sincerely and don't ask in a sarcastic pathetic way. We here are responsible for providing you with the authentic Islamic opinion on every matter from Imamah to Tareekh to Firaq, so make use of your stay here and try to learn.
If there is a topic that you have deeply researched and are capable of discussing academically by quoting books and analyzing opinions, by all means open a thread and we'll discuss it InshaAllah. (As long as it's not useless like the topic of "Takfeer" you wasted our time with).
I haven't belittled anyone otherwise I would have been warned if not banned. How people respond to me and the names they call me and what they say about me is right in front of you. But I expect very little from you because this is your den and these are yourkind, so I can't be bothered with what you say.
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It's not that they don't show interest, it is that they can't respond or they don't know what to say. I don't want to repeat my self, all you do is show hatred towards Shiaism and you do your best to save certain accused companions. That is all i hear from you.
Muhammad ibn Abu Bakar is accused of fitna against the third Khalif but you rush to defend and protect his sister against the fourth Khalif, why???
If this is not double standards then what is??? You have your aqeedah but you don't stick to it. You have principals but you violate them, then you accuse me of nonsense when questioned.
If i ask you questions why don't you answer??? You don't show interest in my posts and what i say is a nice way to save your skin.
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Yes you did discuss Fadak with me but when you reached a dead end you decided to put a stop to it. A sweet way to save your skin.
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Yes you did discuss Fadak with me but when you reached a dead end you decided to put a stop to it. A sweet way to save your skin.
What dead end was it? I don't remember any dead ends.
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It's not that they don't show interest, it is that they can't respond or they don't know what to say. I don't want to repeat my self, all you do is show hatred towards Shiaism and you do your best to save certain accused companions. That is all i hear from you.
Muhammad ibn Abu Bakar is accused of fitna against the third Khalif but you rush to defend and protect his sister against the fourth Khalif, why???
If this is not double standards then what is??? You have your aqeedah but you don't stick to it. You have principals but you violate them, then you accuse me of nonsense when questioned.
If i ask you questions why don't you answer??? You don't show interest in my posts and what i say is a nice way to save your skin.
Question, if you stick to the rules as you claim, there are only 2 rules on this forum, one is about language and the other is about going off topic.
EVEN THESE TWO RULES YOU COULDN'T STICK TO THEM!!
You're discussing ON THIS THREAD the difference between what `A'ishah (as) did in `Ali's (ra) time vs what Muhammad bin abi Bakr did in `Uthman's (ra) time.
THIS IS OFF TOPIC! And you still have the nerve to talk about rules! As for language used against you, maybe you should report it!? As I instructed you before, but NO doesn't seem like you wish to report.
As for your contributions mr.Scholar, let's take this thread here as an example, a brother quoted narrations to analyse, and what was your GOLDEN and BENEFICIAL contribution!?
This was it:
Nothing new here. We already expect this from you.
Instead of arguing intellectually, or providing evidence for counter-arguments or deep critical analysis, all you had to offer was this retardation above as if to say "Heh! you're all pathetic unintelligent folks, nothing is expected from you."
Cause that's how people will interpret your genius contribution above.
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Oh yes I just checked the Fadak thread (which is here (http://forum.twelvershia.net/sahabah-ahlulbayt/the-story-of-fadak!/60/)), You claimed we treated Sahabah like gods who couldn't make mistakes, so I remember I told you that it is YOU who is unfair because YOU believe Fatimah (as) is like a god who couldn't make any mistakes, then I challenged you to prove that you are indeed a just and fair person, and thus I asked you to provide me with one single evidence from your books where Fatimah (as) did a mistake/sin, in return I promised to provide evidence of a mistake/sin that Abu Bakr (ra) did from Sunni books.
I wrote:
This thread is locked until you send me a private message in which you write the evidence I asked regarding Fatimah's (as) sin/mistake from Shia sources, and if you do I promise to provide a text about Abu Bakr.
Because what's the purpose of discussing who's right and who's wrong if I'm discussing with someone who is so biased and unreasonable that he believes one of the two parties is infallible and incapable of any mistakes at all. This makes the discussion fruitless and dumb.
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Firstly the two rules, language and off topic, what seems to be the problem??? Give me an example of the two, where I haven't stuck to these two rules. As far as me reporting anything, why should I??? The way you can accuse me or point stuff out about me, I'm sure you can do the same with others.
Like I said, this is your playground, it's your den and they are your kind. The rules are there for my kind. Will continue this.
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OK, Ameen! You win and we lose.
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He's born a winner, just like Khamina'i was born saying words of Shirk.
Refer to (Reply #13) to see where you went off-topic.
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OK, Ameen! You win and we lose.
Brother it's got nothing to do with win or lose. It's about equality and fair play which you clearly know isn't any.
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He's born a winner, just like Khamina'i was born saying words of Shirk.
Refer to (Reply #13) to see where you went off-topic.
Now lets be honest here, isn't this statement of yours sarcastic and pathetic??? This is exactly what you accused me off. How much sarcasm you have on this forum you clearly know and are aware of. You want to jump up and down when it comes to something minor concerning me but when it comes to others you want me to report it??? LOL!
You claim that the discussion we had on and about Fadak was not fruitful. And the reason you gave was because I believe that one party involved and concerned was infallible, so the discussion is not fair and balanced therefore not fruitful. LOL!
Brother I have two things to say here, firstly what made you say this right in the middle of a lengthy and heated discussion??? We have been discussing Fadak for quite some time now. Where you not aware in the very beginning that the Shias believe in the infallibility of the fourteen (Chaudah Masoomeen)??? The fourteen infallible from which Hazrath Fatimah Zahra (sa) is also from and part off??? LOL!
You where aware of this and you didn't say anything at the beginning but you now use this as an excuse, why??? Because you were cornered in that discussion and you decided to lock the thread and look for an excuse to bail you out. If not then unlock the thread and lets carry on with the discussion.
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Brother if my response is off the topic then you clearly know that what I am responding to is also off topic. Don't be bias, be fair. Would you like me to give you a list of what is off topic here??? Why would you want me to do that and report anything??? Or are your eyes just on me because of my faith and belief??? You know the hatred towards Shiaism and the Shias, towards this community, how they are humiliated and insulted, how they are picked on and made fun of and you accuse me that I BELITTLE OTHERS.
Come on, for heavens sake!
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Ugh just ban this guy. He keeps crying. Ban him so he can complain at SC since that's what he wants. He messed up the whole forum with 338 posts or should I rather say, QUESTIONS.
I recommend making a clear rule to avoid spam. This forum should stay clean unlike other forums.
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Ugh just ban this guy. He keeps crying. Ban him so he can complain at SC since that's what he wants. He messed up the whole forum with 338 posts or should I rather say, QUESTIONS.
I recommend making a clear rule to avoid spam. This forum should stay clean unlike other forums.
Excuse me, ban me for what??? And what are your contributions towards any thread??? Your response to me has always been sarcastic. Have you ever heard my winging and complaining like a kid??? Ugh ban this guy, do this and do that! Come on man, lets see some positive contribution from you.
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Dude you've reached a level in the weakness of your contributions where I can't even read them, I swear I don't even read your posts anymore, such as your last two posts which I assure you I didn't read.
My advice to any member who reads this post of mine, is to not waste their time replying to anything you ever write, that'll be my policy as far as myself and I recommend for any member who values his time to do the same. I'll boycott your contribution like Israeli products, at least Israeli products have quality.
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Dude you've reached a level in the weakness of your contributions where I can't even read them, I swear I don't even read your posts anymore, such as your last two posts which I assure you I didn't read.
My advice to any member who reads this post of mine, is to not waste their time replying to anything you ever write, that'll be my policy as far as myself and I recommend for any member who values his time to do the same. I'll boycott your contribution like Israeli products, at least Israeli products have quality.
Not a word against Israel or in support of Palestine from you and you boycott Isareli products??? Please, give me a break! That's all I have to say to bias individuals.
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Asalam alaikum
Guys I think we have given enough airtime to this person clearly he hasn't got any positive thing to add to the questions being raised, Infact he twists it around instead to ask his own questions trust me I have had a personal debate with him on sc
This guy believes in quran being useless without an imam to teach it!!!!!
This was the last of the convo on the thread fee shayin ( which was opened fo AMEEN ESPECIALLY ) the first where ameen said it, (quran being pointless without imams) for some unknown reason has been deleted from sc thread, hmmmm, I wonder if the mods were unhappy themselves with ameen that they removed it? Khair no worries its EXPECTED from people who LIE as part of their deen
Ameen, on 05 Mar 2014 - 9:15 PM, said:
Will i be getting anything constructive and positive from you??? I don't think so. And please don't twist and turn my words around, just to gain some weight. I said Quran would be meaningless and pointless without the other half and that is the Ahlul Baith. Because Quran is way beyond our imagination and understanding.
My answer
YEA .....way beyond YOUR imagination and understanding
How can you even comprehend that?
It's useless without the other half?
Where is the other half?
He ain't here!!!!!
So to you it's ASTAGHFIRULLAH.....useless??!?
Amen amen
May Allah swt TRULY guide you
Is this guy even worth it?
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oh boy, theres gonna be a post full of questions soon :)
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Asalam alaikum
Guys I think we have given enough airtime to this person clearly he hasn't got any positive thing to add to the questions being raised, Infact he twists it around instead to ask his own questions trust me I have had a personal debate with him on sc
This guy believes in quran being useless without an imam to teach it!!!!!
This was the last of the convo on the thread fee shayin ( which was opened fo AMEEN ESPECIALLY ) the first where ameen said it, (quran being pointless without imams) for some unknown reason has been deleted from sc thread, hmmmm, I wonder if the mods were unhappy themselves with ameen that they removed it? Khair no worries its EXPECTED from people who LIE as part of their deen
Ameen, on 05 Mar 2014 - 9:15 PM, said:
Will i be getting anything constructive and positive from you??? I don't think so. And please don't twist and turn my words around, just to gain some weight. I said Quran would be meaningless and pointless without the other half and that is the Ahlul Baith. Because Quran is way beyond our imagination and understanding.
My answer
YEA .....way beyond YOUR imagination and understanding
How can you even comprehend that?
It's useless without the other half?
Where is the other half?
He ain't here!!!!!
So to you it's ASTAGHFIRULLAH.....useless??!?
Amen amen
May Allah swt TRULY guide you
Is this guy even worth it?
Thank you very much for such wonderful words. I also think very highly of you and will take everything down as a compliment because there is not much one can expect from your kind.
So can you provide me with any reference of what I said and where I said it??? What you've put forward is just words based on your personal opinion about me.
Nothing to be surprised of since bitterness, hatred and envy towards Shiaism and the Shias is a common factor when it comes to your kind.
You want something positive and constructive??? Well there is plenty of that in your introductory post. LOL!
Keep talking and keep walking!
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Let's follow the advice of Hani.