who accepted Islam first - need grading and sources

[Cherub786]

Here you see how he attacked imam Ibn Sireen with his infamous deceitful attacking style.

https://youtu.be/cFc6Q7CPlYM

LOL what nonsense.

Engineer clearly said
لَّعْنَتَ اللَّـهِ عَلَى الْكَاذِبِينَ

And this stupid Brelwi mulla (Ali Nawaz) is saying the Engineer directly and explicitly cursed Imam Ibn Sirin رحمة الله عليه

Don't you know that La'natallahi alal Kaadhibeen is an Ayah of the Quran? So what now reading an Ayah of the Quran is wrong?

Engineer correctly criticized the approach of Ibn Sirin. Instead of agreeing that the approach of Ibn Sirin is incorrect and worthy of criticism, these narrow minded Molvis try to play word games and say "Look he's cursing Ibn Sirin directly".

Without understanding the muhaawirah that is in Punjab Pakistan where people say "Lanatallahi alal Kaadhibeen" whenever they hear something wrong or incorrect, without intending to curse a specific person.

Again, this Molvi is himself a liar. Engineer never directly said "May Allah curse Ibn Sireen". What nonsense. In fact, Engineer says Rahimahullah upon Ibn Sireen. This Molvi has nothing substantial or serious he is just refuting for the sake of refuting. He himself is a Barelwi innovator, I don't know why you are posting his videos here.

[Cherub786]

Now take a look at the actual video with everything in context from Engineer's OFFICIAL YOUTUBE channel:

Pay attention to the actual title of the video:

Imam Ibn-e-Sereen رحمہ اللہ aur BUZURGON say Ikhtelaf ki WAJOOHAT (Engineer Muhammad Ali Mirza)

That's right! رحمه الله is literally written next to Imam Ibn Sirin's name. So Engineer explicitly refers to Ibn Sirin as rahimahullah, but the deceitful Molvi ignores that and quotes the Engineer's general statement Lanatallahi alal Kadhibeen and then lies and says Engineer is directly cursing Ibn Sirin.

Don't you people have any shame, any fear of God?

[Noor-us-Sunnah]

LOL what nonsense.

Engineer clearly said
لَّعْنَتَ اللَّـهِ عَلَى الْكَاذِبِينَ

And this stupid Brelwi mulla (Ali Nawaz) is saying the Engineer directly and explicitly cursed Imam Ibn Sirin رحمة الله عليه

Don't you know that La'natallahi alal Kaadhibeen is an Ayah of the Quran? So what now reading an Ayah of the Quran is wrong?

Engineer correctly criticized the approach of Ibn Sirin. Instead of agreeing that the approach of Ibn Sirin is incorrect and worthy of criticism, these narrow minded Molvis try to play word games and say "Look he's cursing Ibn Sirin directly".

Without understanding the muhaawirah that is in Punjab Pakistan where people say "Lanatallahi alal Kaadhibeen" whenever they hear something wrong or incorrect, without intending to curse a specific person.

Again, this Molvi is himself a liar. Engineer never directly said "May Allah curse Ibn Sireen". What nonsense. In fact, Engineer says Rahimahullah upon Ibn Sireen. This Molvi has nothing substantial or serious he is just refuting for the sake of refuting. He himself is a Barelwi innovator, I don't know why you are posting his videos here.

What is blameworthy is Eng Mirza saying, if someone holds this view which he attributed to Ibn Sireen, then such person is bad-Aqeedah. So this jahil eng is attacking Imam Ibn Sireen of holding corrupt belief.

Whereas in reality what Imam Ibn Sireen Said was perfectly fine, as explained in the video. Because Mirza as his deceitful nature is, he misinterpreted/mistranslated  the view of Ibn Sireen. He portrayed that Imam Ibn Sireen had issue with listening Quran from innovators while the reality was that Imam Ibn Sireen had the issue with the tahreef(in its interpretation) of the Ayat by those innovators.

But mirza quite deceitfully changed into another issue. Unfortunately The fools deprived of wisdom started supporting mirza in his idiocy.

As for adding rahimullah with Imam Ibn sireen’s name, then that’s how he fools people. Do you think that anyone would buy his stupidity if he openly attacks the A’immah of Ahlusunnah. He cleverly portrays Ibn Sireen as having corrupt Aqeedah, then saying adding honorary title after his name is only to fool people

[Cherub786]

What is blameworthy is Eng Mirza saying, if someone holds this view which he attributed to Ibn Sireen, then such person is bad-Aqeedah. So this jahil eng is attacking Imam Ibn Sireen of holding corrupt belief.

Whereas in reality what Imam Ibn Sireen Said was perfectly fine, as explained in the video. Because Mirza as his deceitful nature is, he misinterpreted/mistranslated  the view of Ibn Sireen. He portrayed that Imam Ibn Sireen had issue with listening Quran from innovators while the reality was that Imam Ibn Sireen had the issue with the tahreef(in its interpretation) of the Ayat by those innovators.

But mirza quite deceitfully changed into another issue. Unfortunately The fools deprived of wisdom started supporting mirza in his idiocy.

As for adding rahimullah with Imam Ibn sireen’s name, then that’s how he fools people. Do you think that anyone would buy his stupidity if he openly attacks the A’immah of Ahlusunnah. He cleverly portrays Ibn Sireen as having corrupt Aqeedah, then saying adding honorary title after his name is only to fool people

Listen, whether Engineer was correct in criticizing the approach of Ibn Sirin or not isn't the issue. The issue is that this Molvi shamelessly lied and said Engineer directly and explicitly cursed Ibn Sirin!

You say that the Engineer only says rahimahullah to Ibn Sirin to fool the people. Ma sha Allah, what you have knowledge of the unseen and knowledge of what is in his heart? Your preconceived bias is showing. How can anyone persuade someone who will always think the worst and say anytime he sees something good and right "it's all an act, he's just fooling people". Your approach is itself against the Islamic methodology of giving the benefit of the doubt (husn az-Zann)

I find it extremely strange that you are calling Engineer a deviant because he criticized the approach of Ibn Sireen but you are bring a video of a Barelwi molvi?! Do you know what Barelwis believe and what kind of cult practices they do? Does it make any sense?

I mean this is the same Ali Nawaz who has other videos attacking the Engineer for refuting Barelwi shirk practices in the name of Tawassul. Why don't you post those videos as an example of the Engineer's misguidance?

[Noor-us-Sunnah]

Listen, whether Engineer was correct in criticizing the approach of Ibn Sirin or not isn't the issue. The issue is that this Molvi shamelessly lied and said Engineer directly and explicitly cursed Ibn Sirin!

You say that the Engineer only says rahimahullah to Ibn Sirin to fool the people. Ma sha Allah, what you have knowledge of the unseen and knowledge of what is in his heart? Your preconceived bias is showing. How can anyone persuade someone who will always think the worst and say anytime he sees something good and right "it's all an act, he's just fooling people". Your approach is itself against the Islamic methodology of giving the benefit of the doubt (husn az-Zann)

I find it extremely strange that you are calling Engineer a deviant because he criticized the approach of Ibn Sireen but you are bring a video of a Barelwi molvi?! Do you know what Barelwis believe and what kind of cult practices they do? Does it make any sense?

 I’m calling Engr a fraud because he tried to deceive people by giving the statement of Ibn Sireen a different picture than what he actually said.

If Eng Mirza, had properly quoted the statement of Ibn Sireen(Which didn’t dare to as it would invalidate his claim), and then argued that what he did was wrong then that would have been a different issue. But quoting him incorrectly and then calling him bad-Aqeedah , shows what kind of deviant fraud Eng mirza is.

Btw I ain’t calling mirza deviant just for this reason one reason, this was just a drop from the ocean to show how deceitfully he attacks Sunni personalities. Since you were in an absolute denial due to your ignorance.

[Mythbuster1]

One brother is calling one guy a deviant, fair enough he has his arguments, whilst the other brother is attacking mullahs and certain Muslim sects all together cos he can’t pinpoint to one mullah so he brings the whole community, I am also a member of that community too, the best way is let’s keep it civil and try and criticise INDIVIDUALS, this new member needs to calm down a bit. Peace.

[Oxygen]

engineer is kharji-ul-waqt, if someone has any problem with my reply then you are more than welcome i will tell you what this kharji animal really is. this guy after quoting ibn seeren's r.a words clearly said Lanatullah alal kaazibeen. those who know urdu will notice he then said if someone has this aqeeda like that of ibn seeren r.a etc. he clearly sent lanat on ibn seeren r.a so be logical and stop defending your personal favorite mullah.