Shaikh Mufid (r.a.) writes in his book ‘Kitabul Irshad’: ‘After the martyrdom of Imam Hasan al-Askari (a.s.) when Ja’far b. Ali Naqi saw that their Imam (a.s.) did not have a successor, he usurped his (a.s.) property, imprisoned his (a.s.) maids and the women of the household and said evil things about his (a.s.) companions who were steadfast in their faith that Imam (a.s.) had a son and were waiting for his reappearance. He threatened them but they did not pay attention to him.
Finally, Ja’far approached the Caliph of the time and sought his assistance to claim the position of his brother (Imam Hasan al-Askari (a.s.)). He paid a huge amount to the government by way of bribe, but failed miserably in his evil plans.’11
Hazrat ‘Uthman b. Sa’eed (r.a.) had to face the uphill task of Ja’far’s claim of Imamat, his standing to lead the funeral prayers of Imam (a.s.) and creating doubts about the Imamat of Imam az-Zaman (a.t.f.s.).
When the Shias heard of Ja’far’s claim and his usurping Imam’s (a.s.) property and seeking help from Bani Abbas, some of them consulted Hazrat ‘Uthman b. Sa’eed (r.a.) and requested for a ‘Tawqee’ from Imam az-Zaman (a.t.f.s.) to clarify the matter and remove all suspicion and doubts once and for all. Our readers should find the following incident very interesting.
Ahmad b. Ishaaq wrote a letter to Imam az-Zaman (a.t.f.s.) enclosing Ja’far’s letter. He gave it to ‘Uthman b. Sa’eed (a.s.) to be forwarded to Imam az-Zaman (a.t.f.s.). Imam (a.t.f.s.) gave a very strong-worded reply and refuted the Imamat of Ja’far. Following is the extract of Imam’s (a.t.f.s.) letter:
‘This defrauder (Ja’far) has falsified Allah and has claimed Imamat. We do not know on what basis he has made such a claim. If he claims knowledge in the Ahkam and Fiqh of Allah’s religion, then by Allah, he is not able to distinguish between the permissible and the prohibited. He cannot distinguish between the clear and ambiguous verses of the Holy Quran.
After the martyrdom of Imam Hasan al-Askari (a.s.), the first representative of Imam az-Zaman (a.t.f.s.) came to Baghdad from Samarrah on the order of Imam (a.s.). The reason being that the government vigilance and control in Samarrah was very strict and it had relatively ignored Baghdad. Samarrah was the capital of the Abbasi government.
Where is iceman, whoaretheshia, zlatan etc?maybe they themselves find this "respected" shia website's article is BS? Bribe caliph to be imam? Never heard someone would bribe a "billionare" to get himself killed. Only in shia's bollywood history 😂😂
Not one shia reply here!
Its not just about the article on the shia website. Its in the shoa books. Its their history, their beliefs.
Those so called 4 representatives of the ‘hidden Imam’ were clearly blatant frauds & thieves. Anyone with a sane mind can see.
The shia are so embarrassed & scared to comment here!
Exposing the fabricated story of the birth of the 12th Imam & the associated lying 'deputies' should be an important topic. Shia constantly criticize the sahaba, through whom their (shia) lands were conquered from disbelief to Islam. Compare the sahaba to the so called deputies/companions of the last 'shia Imam'. These deputies were nothing but Liars, thiefs & frauds. So when shia criticise the sahaba for minor issues ask them to resolve the issue of their own 'sahaba/deputies of their hidden Imam'.
Bumping for zlatan & iceman😁
Lol. What do you want me to say? A lot of what is in the books of history is false and a lot of what is said in the mimbar is false and are just tales.
If a story makes no sense, why should I hang onto it? Denial of this story has no affect on aqeeda or core values and principles in tashayyu. I didn't even try to reconcile the story, because I don't see it as important to my faith.
These 4 guys were the chosen disciples of your final 12th Imam, the Imam of the age.
The fact that you are laughing it off as fairytales is no joke. I agree its all fairytales. But these are your sects most important men during the period of the minor occultation.
But thanks for acknowledging it as fairytales.
The contradiction is you ackowlegding it & still following the lie that these guys were the centre of.
At least you acknowledged it unlike iceman who is running scared from this thread.
That's not what I meant but oh well. The whole Ja'far thing never clicked in with me, the sufarah are fine.
I doubt he is running away, I was away for a long time and I stumbled upon this. I am sure he hasn't seen this yet.
The implications are much bigger than you are making out to be. You can’t just brush it aside as if its a minor thing.
You’ve admitted the shia narrative of Jafar doesn’t click with you. The family of Hasan Al Askari denied the existence of your 12th Imam being born.
The four conmen with some right comedic stories totally played a tale on the ignorant shia by fooling them with silly fake letters.
As for iceman, he is definately aware of this thread. He just doesn’t want to discuss as this is a subject no shia can explain in a sane manner in this day & age.
It opens up the core of the twelver sects development. Conmen who faked letters, fooled the ignorant shia to accept their silly fairytales & pursuading them to revile al askari’s family & then the conmen & liars of qum who carried on these lies that formed the backbone of twelver sect literature.
@iceman
Stop trying to distract peoole from the topic.
Topic is 12th Imam rep i.e the four conmen.
Explain these 4 conmen please.
These 4 guys were the chosen disciples of your final 12th Imam, the Imam of the age.
The fact that you are laughing it off as fairytales is no joke. I agree its all fairytales. But these are your sects most important men during the period of the minor occultation.
But thanks for acknowledging it as fairytales.
The contradiction is you ackowlegding it & still following the lie that these guys were the centre of.
At least you acknowledged it unlike iceman who is running scared from this thread.
Lol, you call them conmen yet we have hadiths from Al-Askari (as) proving the opposite."authentic" hadith 😀, just like the "authentic" 12th one who has never been seen by anyone but the 4 conmen or few turban conmen whom many also collected money on his behalf.
Furthermore, we have other authentic proofs proving his existence, outside of the four nuwaab (rah).
Ice & zlatan can you honestly with a straight face say that these letter were genuine? That these guys were genuine & not frauds?
Its so obvious they were conmen & fraudsters.
Imagine if this was Abu Bakr or Umar, what would the shia reaction be?
Saqifa was absolutel shambles but you've don't your best to protect it and make it look as something good came out of it. And with a straight face what seems to be the problem? You believe in Mahdi, don't you. So who will he be, what will his status and purpose be? This is what you're running from.
Saqifa was absolutel shambles but you've don't your best to protect it and make it look as something good came out of it. And with a straight face what seems to be the problem? You believe in Mahdi, don't you. So who will he be, what will his status and purpose be? This is what you're running from.
Lol, you call them conmen yet we have hadiths from Al-Askari (as) proving the opposite.
Furthermore, we have other authentic proofs proving his existence, outside of the four nuwaab (rah).
Ice & zlatan can you honestly with a straight face say that these letter were genuine? That these guys were genuine & not frauds?
Its so obvious they were conmen & fraudsters.
Imagine if this was Abu Bakr or Umar, what would the shia reaction be?
You’re asking what the problem is? Have you even read any of this thread?
Stop jumping up and down and answer exactly what is being asked. With a straight face can you tell me why they are a fraud. What makes or made you think as such?maybe because they were more concern about collecting khums money & wealth than anything else which they say for someone who no one ever saw, including 11th imam's blood brother & close relatives
Stop jumping up and down and answer exactly what is being asked. With a straight face can you tell me why they are a fraud. What makes or made you think as such?
They are frauds as they conned people through fake letters to handover scam khums money.
That's a very serious accusation. Any evidence to back this serious accusation?
That's a very serious accusation. Any evidence to back this serious accusation?
New article on TwelverShia.net related to this topic:
The infallible handwriting of their “Mahdi” (http://www.twelvershia.net/2018/01/01/infallible-handwriting-mahdi/)
This deserves a separate thread. Absolutely astonishing. How can people still be Twelver after this?i guess because their extreme hate towards the sahaba is actually a curse on them?
i guess because their extreme hate towards the sahaba is actually a curse on them?
We don't hate the Sahaba, you do. That is why according to you Sahaba are just a handful. The rest are never mentioned by you, I wonder why. We don't accept certain rulers after Muhammadand how they governed and what they did. There is a difference so stop creating mischief and confusing people about us.
Lol. What do you want me to say? A lot of what is in the books of history is false and a lot of what is said in the mimbar is false and are just tales.4 conmen started and created an unknown figure for their own financial advantage and that unknown figure who has never been seen is so important that if someone reject his existence makes him a kafir and yet you wrote "I didn't even try to reconcile the story, because I don't see it as important to my faith." Shia always amuses me 😂😂😂
If a story makes no sense, why should I hang onto it? Denial of this story has no affect on aqeeda or core values and principles in tashayyu. I didn't even try to reconcile the story, because I don't see it as important to my faith.
Lets talk about these sahaba or should I say khalifah of your 12th Imam.
I mean come on. Even you know they were conmen hence why you’re too embarrassed to address them😂😂😂
They were conmen? So what's the evidence against them. Any proof or are we looking at a silly and baseless accusation again from your side. 😊
That letter for instance😂😂😂😂
Its like asking for proof that mickey mouse is not a cartoon character.
Deep down you know it haha
You need to come out of kindergarten 😊Start behaving like a mature adult, if you can 😊Wow clap clap clap..how intelligent creature this guy is seriously! You should be in Kungfu or something where dodging holds an important value Bruh..