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Sunni Shia Discussion Forum => Imamah-Ghaybah => Topic started by: Ebn Hussein on July 04, 2015, 08:10:25 PM
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Plain historical facts. Just like Abu Bakr, Ali and every other believer (as per Sahih Hadith in Bukhari), no one REALLY wants to become the Caliph of the Muslims (that alone destroys the Imamite belief). Al-Hassan is not eager, neither was Abu Bakr nor Ali, but what is more important is that Al-Hassan's concern was about the SHURA! Neither his Shia nor the Shia (i.e. supporters) of Mu'awiyah had Jewish beliefs such as Imamite (let alone of 12 particular individuals).
Now the Rafidha have to reconcile the bitter reality with their hideous Batini Madhab. So what they do? Well, they expose themselves even more and have to acknowledge that there were not much freaks around at that time who believed in the Imamite of 11 Imams + one in-a-cellar-dissapearing 12th Imam. When will the Rafidha wake up and understand that the Ahl Al-Bayt themselves never claimed to be infallible Imams who must be obeyed in everything? Look how Al-Hassan (just as Ali in Nahj Al-Balagha!) STRESSES that it is the right of the PEOPLE to chose their caliph.
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Well done.
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Quoting myself (and make sure to read this article to see how pathetic the Shias attempt is to distort Ali's pro-Sahaba/Shura speech! https://islamistruth.wordpress.com/2010/04/14/letter6/ )
The following quote from Nahj Al-Balagha gives Rafidis such a hard time that they resort to all sorts of acrobatics to somehow twist Ali's clear statement (they say he used it as a hujjah/argument against Mu'awiyah only. Rubbish, he clearly states what is part of our belief in general):
Nahjul Balagha (letter 6):
Shura belongs to Muhajirs and Ansars and if they agreed on a man, and named him Imam, that is per pleasure of Allah.
This letter always cracks me up, it so badly destroys Shiism. No wonder they have to write 10 pages of commentary under the narration in all Nahj Al-Balagha copies to somehow fit it with their own Rafidi beliefs.
Ponder over the following facts:
1. Shura belongs to the Muhajirs and Ansars (according to Shia belief the vast majority of them are a bunch of thieves, criminals and Abu Bakr/Omar lovers who almost all gave bay3ah to Abu Bakr)
2. The agreement of choosing someone lies in THEIR hands.
3. This person (elected one) is THE Imam.
4. The chosen one (if elected by the Muhajir and Ansar) represents the PLEASURE of Allah!
I mean, WOW, Subhanallah! The funniest bit is that Ali used to term IMAM (that is so holy to Rafidis) for descibing a fallible Muhajir/or Ansari Sahabi who got elected by another bunch of fallible Sahabah.
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Its funny how the shia claim Umar (RA) caused the death of Fatima (RA) yet Hussain (RA) never rose against Umar (RA) at any point before or during his rule, yet he rose up against Yazeed even though the odds were against him.