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There are SINGLED chained reports in major sunni collections. So to argue about SINGULARITY is pretty naive.
Singularity or not, you said heavily reported, I said ONE author. So all those chains are filtering to ONE individual, therefore they aren't heavy but rather light.
I can get tons of chains praising Abu Bakr for instance, from tons of early books. Not ONE book like Mr.Khazzaz.
The Qummis were strict against the spread of lies and fabrications. If some kufians were making them up, then they would have been told to leave Qum.
Says who? The Qummies? How do those Qummies even know what's a lie and what isn't? They're non-Arab foreigners living thousands of miles away from Kufah; many years after Ja`far al-Sadiq and the Shia sects narrated what they narrated.
Secondly, how do we reconcile this with the great amount of Shia narrations that are clear lies and fabrications (acc to your own scholars), narrations of Tahreef, narrations of extreme Ghuluw, narrations with clear contradictions in their texts and lastly the great amount of narrations the Qummies reported from people who are Majaheel (unknown) with no biographies or mention anywhere as well as narrators that are famously known as liars such as Sayyari and his likes (all of which are included in Qummi books).
I was referring to the collective leadership of the Imams.
You're saying the narrations of the Imamah of the Imams should be accepted due to the big number of chains, this is what you wrote: "With multiple reports at hand, is it right to reject them."
I responded by saying, that there are many aspects of religion with multiple reports which you wouldn't accept whether in jurisprudence or theology. Heck, even Zaydis, Isma`ilis and the like reported numerous reports which you'd never accept and they're Shia. `Alawis have a ton of Batini esoteric books where they report calamities and attribute them to Ahlul-Bayt, I'm sure you'll never accept them due to their multitude of chains.
That can only be considered if the followers of Ali were liars. Well that was not the case with all of them. That's why we have to investigate the news of all narrators.
I can use the same argument against the followers of Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Muawiyah.
Some of the ones who call themselves `Ali's Shia are most certainly liars, they fabricated exaggerations and went to extremes. We believe A LOT of what is in your books comes from the path of such people, since it conflicts with what the rest of the nation reported so the situation is as clear as can be.
It was historically reported by the scholars of the nation as well as Shia scholars that `Ali's political party contained a ton of extremists, liars, deviants and `Ali himself OFTEN complained about them. `Ali's household and descendants often complained about lies attributed to them by these "Shia", we can't find any evidence of this when it comes to Abu Bakr's followers or `Umar's, in fact we can easily get praise for these individuals from those who aren't of their political party. Secondly, Abu Bakr and `Umar never had extremist "Shia" or specific political party, they were simply followed by the nation as a whole, I don't find in any book of history or biography that so & so was from "The Shia of Abu Bakr" or that someone said "I am from Abu Bakr's Shia". We can find mention of Mu`awiyah's Shia and how they'd side with him unconditionally, I wouldn't trust them about Mu`awiyah's virtues (because they fabricated a bunch).
To me it's like taking a Trump supporter's testimony about Trump, I'm not so dumb that I'd accept it.
The number 12 was known. The issue is with some unknown persons. The reason being ilm al-Rijal developed slowly in the Shia gatherings.
Rather it was unknown, the followers of the Imams as well as the Imams themselves would often talk about their savior as if they had no clue he'd be the 12th.
Review our two brief articles here to see why neither name or number were known:
Understanding Imamate in the Early Shia SocietyIdentifying the Infallible ImamAlthough brief, they get the point across, one shows that even the most knowledgeable of Shia had no clue regarding names/numbers. The other shows that companions of Imams were simply given "signs" to identify the following Imam. There's also a ton of texts about confusion, Bada', Imams congratulating other Imams upon being chosen (as if they weren't previously chosen) etc...
I have answered that. You are repeating the same answer. Not valid.
Your answer is that the enemies of Ahlul-Bayt and their haters, "sometimes" happen to praise and announce their divine leadership. Okay, if you're convinced then it's up to you. FYI, there're narrations "Sahih" according to you Hadith standards, by certain Waqifi or Fatahi narrators announcing the Imamah of Imams they never even believed in as Waqifah or Fatahiyyah, this I guess is also a coincidence?
How about contradictions of a lovelier nature?
I'll give you brief samples from a quick browse in the book:
قال علي عليه السلام: كنت عند النبي صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم في بيت أم سلمة إذ دخل علينا جماعة من أصحابه منهم سلمان وأبو ذر والمقداد وعبد الرحمن بن عوف، فقال سلمان: يا رسول الله إن لكل نبي وصيا وسبطين فمن وصيك وسبطيك...أنا أدفعها إلى علي. فقال: يا رسول الله فهل بينهم أنبياء وأوصياء أخر؟ قال: نعم أكثر من أن تحصى. ثم قال عليه السلام: وأنا أدفعها إليك يا علي، وأنت تدفعها إلى ابنك الحسن، والحسن يدفعها إلى أخيه الحسين إلخ إلخ
In this one, `Ali narrates that him, Salman, abu Dharr, Miqdad and Ibn `Awf were gathered with the Prophet (saw) in Umm Salamah's house. Salman asks "Every Prophet has a Wasi and Sibtayn, who is your Wasi and your Sibtayn?" Then the Prophet (saw) mentions to them the names of all twelve Imams.
عن سلمان الفارسي رضي الله عنه قال: خطبنا رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم فقال: معاشر الناس إني راحل...فلما نزل عن المنبر صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم تبعته حتى دخل بيت عائشة...إنهم هم الأوصياء والخلفاء بعدي، أئمة أبرار، عدد أسباط يعقوب وحواري عيسى. قلت: فسمهم لي يا رسول الله؟ قال: أولهم علي بن أبي طالب الخ
In this one, Salman said the Prophet (saw) was giving a public speech outdoors, he then retired to `A'ishah's house. Salman followed him inside asking him to name the twelve Imams for him. As if he forgot?
علي عليه السلام قال: دخلت على رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم في بيت أم سلمة وقد نزلت هذه الآية " إنما يريد الله ليذهب عنكم الرجس أهل البيت ويطهركم تطهيرا " فقال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم: يا علي هذه الآية نزلت فيك وفي سبطي والأئمة من ولدك. فقلت: يا رسول الله وكم الأئمة بعدك؟ قال: أنت يا علي، ثم ابناك الحسن والحسين، وبعد الحسين علي ابنه إلخ
In this one, `Ali says that the verse of purification was revealed while he was sitting with the Prophet (saw). He (saw) declares that this was about `Ali and the Imams from his progeny. `Ali proceeds to ask about the identity and names of these Imams as if the above never happened.
قال أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام: سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم يقول: قال الله تبارك وتعالى: لأعذبن كل رعية دانت بطاعة إمام ليس مني وإن كانت الرعية في نفسها برة يا رسول الله فكم يكون بعدي من الأئمة؟ قال: بعد الحسين تسعة والتاسع قائمهم
In this one, `Ali hears the Prophet (saw) mentioning a Hadith-Qudsi about punishing any nation who follows a non-divine Imam even if they were pious. Upon hearing this, `Ali proceeds to ask about the number of Imams again. (Maybe forgetful?)
قال أبو ذر الغفاري رحمة الله عليه: دخلت على رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم في مرضه الذي توفي فيه، فقال: يا أبا ذر ايتني بابنتي فاطمة ... قلت: يا رسول الله فكم الأئمة بعدك؟ قال: عدد نقباء بني إسرائيل
Abu Dharr from the first narration makes a comeback! During the prophet's (saw) last sickness, he enters on him to ask "O Messenger of Allah, how many Imams are after you?" Yes, these people are thick... you need to repeat the same thing over and over.
قال النبي " ص ": لما عرج بي إلى السماء نظرت إلى ساق العرش فإذا فيه مكتوب " لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله أيدته بعلي ونصرته بعلي "، ورأيت أثني عشر نورا فقلت: يا رب أنوار من هذه؟ فنوديت: يا محمد هذه أنوار الأئمة من ذريتك قلت: يا رسول الله أفلا تسميهم لي؟ قال: نعم أنت الإمام والخليفة بعدي
But wait, right after the Miraj event, the Prophet (saw) describes to `Ali what he saw in the heavens and how God revealed to him the identity of the Imams, so `Ali asks: "O Rasul-Allah, won't you name them for me?"
And so on and so forth, which implies that people were lying to invent these stories.
Najashi is not nobody. His professors were people like Shaykh Saduq, Mufid, al-Ja'zairi, etc. No one criticised him. Yes, he may not have praise from the early scholars, but they didn't criticise him.
I'm sorry, but in matters of extreme importance in religion, Najashi not being praised the slightest or authenticated by the early scholars makes him a nobody. In fact his own works attest to him being a nobody, have you seen the books he authored? Nothing of any importance really except that robotic binary phone book he calls a Rijali book. Then we move on to Khazzaz who is a nobody that's praised by another nobody. Why in the world am I trusting my after-life and eternity to these folks!?
I'm not talking about the "science" of Rijal here, I'm talking about the fact that these Rijal themselves are not reliable enough to trust your Akhirah.