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Can `Ali defeat an army on his own?

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Hani

Can `Ali defeat an army on his own?
« on: February 21, 2015, 04:41:38 AM »
al-Salamu `Aleykum,


A question to Shia Imamis, I just heard that Shia believe `Ali ibn abi Talib defeat an entire army on his own? Is this correct?



عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Bolani Muslim

Re: Can `Ali defeat an army on his own?
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2015, 04:56:08 AM »
I was once told that Allah had to tell Abul Fazl Abbas to stop killing the army of Yazid or else he would've killed everyone. I'm not sure if it's a Shia rumour or something actually in Shia books.  :P

Hani

Re: Can `Ali defeat an army on his own?
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2015, 02:44:17 PM »
I need an answer form an Imami, simply because I wish to follow it by the question: "Why did the Muslims lose in Uhud"?
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

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Re: Can `Ali defeat an army on his own?
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2015, 04:25:50 PM »
They say all victories were due to the heroism of Ali, and the defeat were due to the cowardice of rest of the Muslim army.

در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

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Hani

Re: Can `Ali defeat an army on his own?
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2015, 05:00:10 PM »
Let's ask this new Imami Shia on the website "labelingtheory", is it true that `Ali can defeat an entire army by himself?
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

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Re: Can `Ali defeat an army on his own?
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2017, 09:32:19 AM »
Only if there is i'jaz. Otherwise, normally, no.
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