This verse is regarding Idols not Isa(as) for the following reasons:
1. Even Angels and Jinn were worshiped, so as per your logic, they should be dead.
And [mention] the Day when He will gather them all and then say to the angels, "Did these [people] used to worship you?" They will say, "Exalted are You! You, [O Allah ], are our benefactor not them. Rather, they used to worship the jinn; most of them were believers in them.(34:40-41)
But they have attributed to Allah partners - the jinn, while He has created them - and have fabricated for Him sons and daughters. Exalted is He and high above what they describe.(6:100)
2. The next verse after the verse you quoted says that its about people who didn't believe in hereafter.
Your god is one God. But those who do not believe in the Hereafter - their hearts are disapproving, and they are arrogant.(16:22).
These weren't Christians as they believe in hereafter. These were polytheists of Makkah, who believed in idols such as Lat, Manaat, Uzza, etc.
Quran clarifies this issue in another chapter, that the idol worshipers of Makkah are the ones who don't believe in hereafter:
So have you considered al-Lat and al-'Uzza? And Manat, the third - the other one? Is the male for you and for Him the female? That, then, is an unjust division. They are not but [mere] names you have named them - you and your forefathers - for which Allah has sent down no authority. They follow not except assumption and what [their] souls desire, and there has already come to them from their Lord guidance. Or is there for man whatever he wishes? Rather, to Allah belongs the Hereafter and the first [life]. And how many angels there are in the heavens whose intercession will not avail at all except [only] after Allah has permitted [it] to whom He wills and approves. Indeed, those who do not believe in the Hereafter name the angels female names,(53:19-27).
The problem is that idols will not be resurrected. This Verse is obviously concerning those humans that are worshiped aside from Allah. The Dhameer for Yub'athoon is "Amwaat" i.e., the objects of worship apart from Allah. Those objects of worship are unaware of when they themselves will be resurrected. Imam Baidawi has explained this in his Tafsir:
وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ أَيَّانَ يُبْعَثُون ولا يعلمون وقت بعثهم أو بعث عبدتهم
Nor do they know the time when they will be resurrected, or when their worshipers will be resurrected (Tafsir al-Baidawi v.3 p.223)
Idols will not be resurrected.
Brother, try to be objective. You lost the essence of my response, and you indulged in the point which was of lesser importance, even though I can quote Tafaseer which says they are idols, but for arguments sake lets skip this.
You said the verse was referring to people who are worshipped alongside Allah NOT idols. But you missed the point I made that there were living things which were worshipped by people, such as Jinn and Angels. So obviously, these get excluded from that verse even though they are worsipped because they are alive. Likewise we say Isa(as) also is excluded from that verse because he is alive, even though he is worshipped. The verse isn't specifically addressing the Christians.
In fact you should know that majority of the idols that are worshiped are in fact images and icons that represent dead people. Even the Christians worship Jesus and represent him as an idol graven image. But in this passage (16:20-21) Allah is referring to their objects of worship that are originally human, because they are unaware when they will be resurrected, and inanimate idols are not resurrected.
And yes I agree with you on the point that idols that were worshiped by people, represented pious people.
Narrated Ibn `Abbas: All the idols which were worshiped by the people of Noah were worshiped by the Arabs later on. As for the idol Wadd, it was worshiped by the tribe of Kalb at Daumat-al-Jandal; Suwa` was the idol of (the tribe of) Hudhail; Yaghouth was worshiped by (the tribe of) Murad and then by Bani Ghutaif at Al-Jurf near Saba; Ya`uq was the idol of Hamdan, and Nasr was the idol of Himyar, the branch of Dhi-al-Kala`. The names (of the idols) formerly belonged to some PIOUS MEN of the people of Noah, and when they died Satan inspired their people to (prepare and place idols at the places where they used to sit, and to call those idols by their names. The people did so, but the idols were not worshiped till those people (who initiated them) had died and the origin of the idols had become obscure, whereupon people began worshiping them. {Sahih al-Bukhari , volume 6, book 60, Hadith 442}.
As for the next verse, there is no indication in it that فَالَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْآخِرَةِ are identical to وَالَّذِينَ يَدْعُونَ مِن دُونِ اللَّـهِ overcourse they may overlap. For example, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists worship dead people yet do not believe in Akhirah. It is not necessary to interpret that Allah is saying everyone who worships those beside Him are deniers of the Akhirah.
You seem to have misunderstood my argument. May Allah grant you proper understanding. I never claimed that everyone who worships those beside Allah deny Akhirah, not at all. Nor does the verse which I quoted as supportive evidence for my explanation:{Indeed, those who do not believe in the Hereafter name the angels female names,(53:27)}, this verse doesn't mean that all those who do not believe in the Hereafter, name the angels female names, rather the verse is addressing a specific people.
Likewise, What I claimed was that those addressed in that verse didn't believe in Akhirah(i.e polytheists of Makkah) however the Christians are known to believe in Hereafter, hence they are not the ones who were mentioned in this verse nor the one prior to it.Here is the proof that Christians even though in general they worship Isa(as) but in general they even believe in Hereafter, which again proves that they were not the ones mentioned in the verse you used.
We read in the following hadeeth that Christians during the lifetime of Prophet(Saws) believed in hereafter.
حَدَّثَنَا سُوَيْدُ بْنُ سَعِيدٍ، حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى بْنُ سُلَيْمٍ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ عُثْمَانَ بْنِ خُثَيْمٍ، عَنْ أَبِي الزُّبَيْرِ، عَنْ جَابِرٍ، قَالَ لَمَّا رَجَعَتْ إِلَى رَسُولِ اللَّهِ ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ مُهَاجِرَةُ الْبَحْرِ قَالَ " أَلاَ تُحَدِّثُونِي بِأَعَاجِيبِ مَا رَأَيْتُمْ بِأَرْضِ الْحَبَشَةِ " . قَالَ فِتْيَةٌ مِنْهُمْ بَلَى يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ بَيْنَا نَحْنُ جُلُوسٌ مَرَّتْ بِنَا عَجُوزٌ مِنْ عَجَائِزِ رَهَابِينِهِمْ تَحْمِلُ عَلَى رَأْسِهَا قُلَّةً مِنْ مَاءٍ فَمَرَّتْ بِفَتًى مِنْهُمْ فَجَعَلَ إِحْدَى يَدَيْهِ بَيْنَ كَتِفَيْهَا ثُمَّ دَفَعَهَا فَخَرَّتْ عَلَى رُكْبَتَيْهَا فَانْكَسَرَتْ قُلَّتُهَا فَلَمَّا ارْتَفَعَتِ الْتَفَتَتْ إِلَيْهِ فَقَالَتْ سَوْفَ تَعْلَمُ يَا غُدَرُ إِذَا وَضَعَ اللَّهُ الْكُرْسِيَّ وَجَمَعَ الأَوَّلِينَ وَالآخِرِينَ وَتَكَلَّمَتِ الأَيْدِي وَالأَرْجُلُ بِمَا كَانُوا يَكْسِبُونَ فَسَوْفَ تَعْلَمُ كَيْفَ أَمْرِي وَأَمْرُكَ عِنْدَهُ غَدًا . قَالَ يَقُولُ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ " صَدَقَتْ صَدَقَتْ كَيْفَ يُقَدِّسُ اللَّهُ أُمَّةً لاَ يُؤْخَذُ لِضَعِيفِهِمْ مِنْ شَدِيدِهِمْ "
It was narrated that Jabir said: “When the emigrants who had crossed the sea came back to the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), he said: ‘Why don’t you tell me of the strange things that you saw in the land of Abyssinia?’ Some young men among them said: ‘Yes, O Messenger of Allah. While we were sitting, one of their elderly nuns came past, carrying a vessel of water on her head. She passed by some of their youth, one of whom placed his hand between her shoulders and pushed her. She fell on her knees and her vessel broke. When she stood up, she turned to him and
said: “You will come to know, O traitor, that when Allah sets up the Footstool and gathers the first and the last, and hands and feet speak of what they used to earn, you will come to know your case and my case in His presence soon.’” The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: ‘She spoke the truth, she spoke the truth. How can Allah purify any people (of sin) when they do not support their weak from their strong?’” [Sunan Ibn Majah 4010; Grading:Hasan]
We read in Bible about the Day of Judgement as follows:
For we must all stand before Christ to be judged. We will each receive whatever we deserve for the good or evil we have done in this earthly body. [Corinthians 5:10]
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