Oh, the bits you pick and choose to suit your need when you're stuck.
No, the bits that goes unnoticed by your scholars, lol.
The QUR'AN. Does it wring a bell?
Okay, Qur'anist, show me Imamah from the Qur'an. If you offer anything but unequivocal proof, I will take it that not only your Imams (ra) failed but you failed them too.
You seem to make mountains out of molehills.
Your people do not know Arabic. You do not have a chain for the Qur'an. Yet you claim to have your beliefs derived from the Qur'an.
Does Salman Rushdie and his book the satanic verses wring a bell? Where do you think he got the material for his book? Take a guess. Take a look down your girebaan.
The point stands; Imam Khomeini referred to Nahjul Balagha as the "Brother of the Qur'an". Another fail!
I have never read the book by Salman Rushdie but if your claim is that he (mis)used our ahaadith, well, don't you do the same? In fact, people like Salman Rushdie use Shi'i criticism of our ahaadith to use against us. In other words, you supplied Salman Rushdie with material for the Satanic Verses. That is the scene down your girebaan!
Shias are the ones who stood by no matter what. The others always looked at what benefited and suited them, just like nowadays.
They were his Shias and you have failed to rebut this point. In fact, you only stand by Imam Ali (ra) when it benefits you. If you stood by him no matter what, you would not have sliced up his family, thrown out Imam Hassan's (ra) progeny and carve a small population out of Imam Hussain's (ra) progeny.
And I challenge you to prove from the Qur'an that if you refuse to pay Zakah to the ruler of the time then you are Wajib Ul Qatal.
Hahaha, another fail!
Choke on this:
https://www.al-islam.org/hayat-al-qulub-vol3-allamah-muhammad-baqir-al-majlisi/part-6-it-obligatory-obey-true-imams"According to reliable source Abu Sabah has narrated that I give witness that I have heard Imam Sadiq (a.s.) saying: Ali (a.s.) was the Imam whose obedience was made obligatory by Allah, and similarly Hasan, Husain and Ali bin Husain (a.s.) were the Imams whose obedience was made compulsory by Allah.
Also the same Imam Baqir (a.s.) is reported to have said that: We are same group of Imams whose obedience has been made obligatory by Allah for the people and you should follow those (Imams) for knowing whom is not impossible for the people."
"It is narrated according to reliable chains of narrators that a man from Fars asked Imam Ridha (a.s.): Is your obedience compulsory? He said: Yes. He asked: Is it obligatory as was the case with Amirul Momineen (a.s.). He replied: Yes.
Again, according to reliable sources, Abu Baseer has reported that he asked Imam Ridha (a.s.): Are all the Imams (a.s.) like one person in the matter of Imamate and is the obedience to them compulsory? Does the command apply to all of them? He replied: Yes."
Chapter 1 heading of Hayat-ul-Qulub reads:
https://www.al-islam.org/hayat-al-qulub-vol3-allamah-muhammad-baqir-al-majlisi/chapter-one-there-imam-every-age-and-his"Which mentions that the existence of Imam is essential in every period of the time and that no age ever remains without an Imam and that
it is obligatory to obey him and that people do not get guidance but through the Imam and that it is necessary that the Imam must be clear of all sins and that he ought to be appointed by Allah. Also a brief description of the Divine texts (Nusoos) revealed regarding the Imams. So also some of their virtues."
I also challenge you to tell me why the Prophet s.a.w all of a sudden and out of the blue prohibited Mu'tah.
I told you! There were many children of Mu'tah claiming to be lovers of Ahlul Bayt (ra) who were also self-claimed scholars. It had to be brought to an end.
Your faith and belief doesn't stand on much.
My faith rests on such a strong foundation that I can forego so much territory and still be right. You cannot even give up an inch worth of territory.
You've got it all mixed up. Umar claimed and reminded the others that we have the book of Allah and that is sufficient for us.
No, you are conflating things. First, you asked as to where the Sunnis were (when your Imams were in despair). Then, in the very next statement, you said that Allah (swt) is sufficient for your Imams (ra). So which one is it?
If we go by your narrative, Allah (swt) was not sufficient for your Imams (ra) because they were met with defeat at every step of the way.
No, according to Umar's theology there was no need for what the Prophet s.a.w had to say or write.
According to Imam Ali's (ra) theology as well because he did not seek to challenge or change Umar's (ra) stance.
And the Sahaba? And Umar. Could not deliver? Umar believed there was no need for it. Including Ali? Ali didn't object and wasn't from the objection party of Umar.
You can slice this as many ways as you like but it will remain bitter (for you). If what Umar (ra) did was wrong, Imam Ali (ra), as the Divinely Chosen Leader next in line, should have made it right. Imam Ali (ra) did not do anything. Now you are faced with two options:
1. Imam Ali (ra), with all said and done, agreed with Umar (ra).
OR
2. Imam Ali (ra) is equally to be blamed for failing to deliver.
If there is blame? If? Is this how much you love the Prophet s.a.w? Is this how much you care about the truth?
I care about truth just as much as Umar and Imam Ali (peace and blessings upon them) did. They both did not bring a pen and paper so I stand by them. It is you who has a problem. The problem wreaks with stench when we see that your hypocrisy compels you to blame Umar (ra) but not his accomplice (Imam Ali).
This is the only problem, you're not willing to recognise and accept the truth.
It is not my fault you are hurt by Imam Ali's (ra) decision to not act and not deliver.
It was Umar. He's your man who's actions you're so eager to protect that you're willing to screw yourself up for it.
There is no better screwjob than what the Imams (ra) did to you. Did not claim Fadak, did not bring pen and paper, did not preach Imamah, negotiated with Muawiya twice, gave up Caliphate (their Divinely Ordained Right) to Muawiya....list goes on!
You may not know this but Shias, deep down, have no issues with Umar (ra). It is actually that they are hurt by the actions of their own Imams (ra) because none of it adds up with their concocted beliefs.
Is it? It's not ridiculous when you ask.
No, it is ridiculous when you act dumb.
It has been narrated from Abi {Abdullah (Imam) al-Sadiq (peace be upon him), that he said: “Allah has not imposed anything more serious than Zakat upon this nation – and due to it, many of them shall perish.”
Al-Kafi, Volume 3, Page 497, and Bihar al-Anwar, Volume 93, Page 22
It has been narrated from Abul Hasan (Imam) al-Ridha (peace be upon him), that he said: “Indeed Allah, the Sublime and Glorious, commanded three things and coupled them with three other things: He prescribed the prayer and the zakat (together). Thus, whoever prays and does not act upon the zakat, his prayer shall not be accepted from him ...”
Bihar al-Anwar, Volume 93, Page 12
It has been narrated from Imam al-Sadiq (peace be upon him), that he said: “There is no prayer for whom there is no zakat; and there is no zakat for whom there is no piety.”
Bihar al-Anwar, Volume 81, Page 252
So there is no prayer without Zakat, as per your "infallible" Imams (ra).
CAN YOU PROVE THIS FROM THE QUR'AN. NO YOU CAN'T.
Imam, Ja’far b. Muhammad as-Sadiq (as) said, "
Indeed we do not classify a person as a true believer until he follows all of our teachings..." (al-Kafi, vol. 2, pg. 78, sec. al-Wara’, no. 13)
According to your Imam (ra), you are not a true believer but since you fake being one, that must mean you are a hypocrite, lol.
Muslim 720, what's Ali got to do with this? And why are you disregarding everything and mentioning Ali?
Imam Ali (ra) was present in the room. As the "Divinely Chosen Leader" next in line, he should have accommodated the Prophet's (saw) request. However, Imam Ali (ra) did not. That means that he either agreed with Umar (ra) or was too weak to act on his own which disqualifies him from being a leader.
As far as you are concerned, you blame Umar (ra). My point is simple and rational; the blame is equally on Imam Ali (ra).