The way he does has been shown to be through books he reveals and leaders he appoints. And the Leaders never come alone, they come in groups, succeeding one another.
He revealed his Las book and sent his Last prophet (saw), why do you wish for the continuation of prophet-hood when that is a matter that clearly ended?
This is got to be a joke. Yeah every Muslim tried to connect to God that is why the abandoned Imam Hussain, that is why they let oppressors rule, etc....
Your religion is the joke, you mock God's pious servants and friends. Husayn made a bad move which resulted in a tragedy, he was advised not to rely on Kufans countless times. Funny that you rely for your religion on the same people Husayn relied on for support, then you're shocked that your beliefs are unreliable. The faithful Muslim must be wise and patient, most of the times revolting with the sword is not the best idea.
It is also funny how you went and tied spirituality right away with politics, shows how shallow your understanding of religion is. We talk about Muslims forming bonds with their creator and you talk about supporting `Alawite revolutions.
Secondly, if your measurement for piety and forming divine bonds relies on revolting, then the Khawarij and the Zaydiyyah must be the most guided of sects. Furthermore, the Companions revolted in al-Harrah of Madinah, guess what happened? They were massacred.
There is going to be bad stuff attributed to them, but if we are going to get enlightenment, it's going to be through God's chosen ones, and among the narrations attributed to them through narrators who narrate to them, will be the knowledge and wisdom we seek, and the insight that will help us perceive the truths of the Quran.
And we have narrations attributed to the Prophet (saw) from his most reliable Companions, people the entire nation viewed positively and with high regard. Surely, the Prophet (saw) is greater than the other members of his family, so relying on him is more crucial than the liars of Kufah.
Secondly, those you speak of were never chosen. Some of them were much wiser than others and more knowledgeable, other people in the nation were equally knowledgeable or more. That's what's recorded in the Islamic biographies and history books. Except in the Shia's own books, yet they're biased, unreliable and filled with exaggerations so we rightfully dismiss them.
If the chosen families came in groups of 200 divinely appointed leaders let's say, then God would have emphasized on that in the past, and emphasized on that number through out the ages.
Aeron would have had that number on his clothes, and Elyas would have that many stones, and Sulaiman's temple would have that many Lions. But we see 12 emphasized on.
No, if they were 200, God would have CLEARLY said "Your leaders are 200." Instead of mentioning 200 trees in some garden or 200 coins in some dude's wallet. This is not the DaVinci code, it is God's clear book. The number twelve was only mentioned in God's book with regards to the 12 tribes of Israel, then for each tribe there was a captain and they were given twelve rivers for sustenance. Obviously also the 12 months in a year. So the number twelve was mainly used because the tribes happened to be twelve, if they were thirteen they'd need equal number of leaders with thirteen rivers to live-off, that doesn't necessite that we must be ruled by twelve succeeding leaders.
If every number you see is referring to Imams, what do we do with these numbers?
{By the dawn - and ten nights}
{Its expiation is the feeding of ten needy (people) with such food as you normally offer to your own people}
{but if he lacks the means, let him fast three days during the pilgrimage and seven when he has returned, that is, ten days in all}
{He who brings a good deed shall have ten of its like}
{Or do they say: 'He has forged it' Say (to them): 'Then produce ten forged chapters like it.}
That's ten nights, what does it mean? 10 Imams?
{When Joseph said to his father: 'Father, I saw eleven planets, and the sun and the moon; I saw them prostrating themselves before me'}
Here it's eleven, or maybe 13 if you add the sun & moon, what does that make the number of Imams?
{Over it are nineteen (angels guarding).}
Nineteen Imams maybe?
Besides, if you're so obsessed with numbers, there's more emphasis on other numbers, for instance the number seven. And we know there's a sevener Shia sect (Isma`ilis) and their main arguments were esoteric and numerical.
{I saw in a vision seven fatted cows being devoured by seven lean ones; and seven green ears of corn and seven others withered.}
{He willed to the heaven, and leveled them seven heavens}
{a grain of corn that sprouts seven ears}
{He replied: 'You shall sow for seven years as is your way}
{Thereafter, seven hard years will come upon you}
{It has seven gates, and through each gate a portion of them belong}
{And We have certainly given you, [O Muhammad], seven of the often repeated [verses] and the great Qur'an.}
{It is Allah who has created seven heavens and of the earth [seven] the like of them}
{Which Allah imposed upon them for seven nights and eight days in succession}
etc..etc...
Based on these and many others, the seveners have a greater claim. For us, the use of these numbers in such a misguided way is ignorance.
Simply because God clearly says so:
{It is He who sent down upon thee the Book, wherein are verses clear that are the Essence of the Book, and others ambiguous. As for those in whose hearts is swerving, they follow the ambiguous part, desiring dissension, and desiring its interpretation; and none knows its interpretation, save only God.}
Either-way, you have't answered the argument. I said, 12 are not enough leaders in terms of quantity to lead mankind till the end of times, we needed hundreds of them. Eleven out of the twelve passed in the period of 260 years, we've been alive for 1,400 years and still counting.
Except Quran shows no one should be followed except those he appoints and that clergy never had authority ever and never will.
Poor Wilayat-ul-Faqih people will be preplexed to hear this.
You are wrong as usual, God does tell us CLEARLY to follow the righteous people who aren't necessarily appointed:
{And the first forerunners [in the faith] among the Muhajireen and the Ansar and those who followed them with good conduct - Allah is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him, and He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever. That is the great attainment.}
{And whoever opposes the Messenger after guidance has become clear to him and follows other than the way of the believers - We will give him what he has taken and drive him into Hell, and evil it is as a destination.}
The reason is sufficient as a guide but we still need Messengers and holy books to help us. I will go more details into this. I am aware of the line in nahjul balagha in that letter, but I will talk more about why we need intercession another time.
The believers can ask intercession of other living believers if they wish. They also have to ask God themselves and cannot solely rely on those intercessors. Furthermore, they cannot ask of the dead since that implies the dead are all-hearing and knowing, it also implies that the dead can do actions and we believe our actions are cut after death. The believers who follow the way of the Prophet (saw) will receive his intercession on the day of judgement.
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