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Title: End of Abdullah ibn Saba
Post by: Muhammad Tazin on June 08, 2015, 08:03:41 AM
As Salamu Alaikum,
There are 2 types or narrations available about ibn Saba in Shia books-
1. He was exiled to Madaen
2. He was burnt alive
Which is correct according to historical proofs?
As I have read somewhere that, a group of Sabaiite people were burnt by Ali(r.a.) , not ibn Saba.
Title: Re: End of Abdullah ibn Saba
Post by: Hani on June 08, 2015, 10:11:29 PM
He was exiled, some of his followers were burned.
Title: Re: End of Abdullah ibn Saba
Post by: Farid on June 11, 2015, 10:52:22 AM
I don't think there is sufficient proof for either of the two views. Not much is known about the details of the life of Ibn Saba', especially from the Sunni view.
Title: Re: End of Abdullah ibn Saba
Post by: Muhammad Tazin on June 11, 2015, 05:12:38 PM
Both Shia & Sunni sources mention exile to Madaen & also Burnt alive
Title: Re: End of Abdullah ibn Saba
Post by: Farid on June 11, 2015, 10:52:29 PM
Would you mind sharing sources for both Sunni views?
Title: Re: End of Abdullah ibn Saba
Post by: Khaled on June 11, 2015, 11:05:21 PM
This really begs the question; is there really a "sunni" view on historical events?  Heck, even saying there are "Sunni" interpretation on every single event in the Seerah is impossible.

Sunnism is a general way of looking at Islam; not history, science, math etc.  Some of our sunni scholars are trained scientists and some of them are shockingly ignorant of science; neither represents Sunni Islam as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: End of Abdullah ibn Saba
Post by: Muhammad Tazin on June 12, 2015, 11:25:17 AM
Quote from: Farid on June 11, 2015, 10:52:29 PM
Would you mind sharing sources for both Sunni views?

It is rare , the Burning of ibn Saba in Sunni sources, I got these in a website

Ibn Qutayba-
2- ابن قتيبة (672هـ).

ذكر السبئية وأخبر أنها تنسب إلى ابن سبأ قال: <السبئية من الرافضة ينسبون إلى عبدالله بن سبأ وكان أول من كفر من الرافضة وقال علي رب العالمين فأحرقه علي وأصحابه بالنار>(2).

Source: http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vb/showthread.php?t=86974

Title: Re: End of Abdullah ibn Saba
Post by: Farid on June 12, 2015, 04:18:47 PM
@ Khaled: When I say Sunni view, I mean that I am looking for something that is found in Sunni history books, not Shia ones.

@ Muhammad Tazin: As I thought, a very late opinion.