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Title: Moses more important than Aaron?
Post by: Soccer on October 01, 2021, 05:27:09 PM
Due to the fact the life of Aaron is not detailed or emphasized in Quran, it's easy to assume that Moses is more important than Aaron.

Another way to look at it, is that Quran is teaching that the successor of such founders such as Moses and Abraham are to be taken automatically and so this is why there is less emphasis on the successors. It's not that they are less important, it's that, belief in them comes automatic with belief in the former. If you accept the former, you accept the latter.

Part of the Satanic influences in the minds of people regarding Quran, is to make unaware of the place of each Prophet mentioned in the Quran.

On investigation Quran is teaching the Ahlulbayt of a generic Messenger has to be accepted with that Messenger.

Jesus for example, you have to accept his predecessors going back to Moses and take them as a unity. Religion goes haywire, when one chosen guide is emphasized over another.

In fact the successor is very important as without continuation of guidance - it makes what the founder comes with in vain. The successors are all important because if not accepted, the founding religion doesn't lead to unity but disunity, and not guidance but misguidance.

In this regard, the Ulil-Amr (4:59) with Mohammad (s) are all highly as important because God wants us to obey himself through them.
Title: Re: Moses more important than Aaron?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on October 03, 2021, 12:59:05 PM
Due to the fact the life of Aaron is not detailed or emphasized in Quran, it's easy to assume that Moses is more important than Aaron.

Another way to look at it, is that Quran is teaching that the successor of such founders such as Moses and Abraham are to be taken automatically and so this is why there is less emphasis on the successors. It's not that they are less important, it's that, belief in them comes automatic with belief in the former. If you accept the former, you accept the latter.

Part of the Satanic influences in the minds of people regarding Quran, is to make unaware of the place of each Prophet mentioned in the Quran.

On investigation Quran is teaching the Ahlulbayt of a generic Messenger has to be accepted with that Messenger.

Jesus for example, you have to accept his predecessors going back to Moses and take them as a unity. Religion goes haywire, when one chosen guide is emphasized over another.

In fact the successor is very important as without continuation of guidance - it makes what the founder comes with in vain. The successors are all important because if not accepted, the founding religion doesn't lead to unity but disunity, and not guidance but misguidance.

In this regard, the Ulil-Amr (4:59) with Mohammad (s) are all highly as important because God wants us to obey himself through them.


See again you are forcing your own idea as if Allah swt made ulil amr the imams.

At best you are using prophets as your analogy where as imams weren’t prophets but were much lowlier than them in the religious sense…….they weren’t chosen by Allah swt! Nor can you prove such with clear evidence from Quran.

Your whole assumption is dead unless you have evidence from Quran.
Which you don’t instead you post nonsense as if it’s truth.
Title: Re: Moses more important than Aaron?
Post by: Soccer on October 03, 2021, 02:28:55 PM
The Ulil-Amr (a) are discussed in context of the Authority type Prophets (a) were given.
Title: Re: Moses more important than Aaron?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on October 04, 2021, 12:25:29 PM
The Ulil-Amr (a) are discussed in context of the Authority type Prophets (a) were given.

The context which you made up!

Nothing in the Quran about ahlubaith, you are adding that in yourself.
Title: Re: Moses more important than Aaron?
Post by: Soccer on October 04, 2021, 01:06:11 PM
The context which you made up!

Nothing in the Quran about ahlubaith, you are adding that in yourself.

Auli-Ibrahim Authority is shown in 4:54. Auli-Ibrahim with exception of Sarah are Anbiya. That and after it says "we did not send any Messenger but to be obeyed by God's permission..."
Title: Re: Moses more important than Aaron?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on October 07, 2021, 03:11:19 PM
Auli-Ibrahim Authority is shown in 4:54. Auli-Ibrahim with exception of Sarah are Anbiya. That and after it says "we did not send any Messenger but to be obeyed by God's permission..."

That’s for anbiya as! So you are assuming the context of that is ahlu baith ra?

Context which you made up!
Title: Re: Moses more important than Aaron?
Post by: Soccer on October 07, 2021, 09:58:58 PM
That’s for anbiya as! So you are assuming the context of that is ahlu baith ra?

Context which you made up!

That’s for anbiya as! So you are assuming the context of that is ahlu baith ra?

Context which you made up!

4:54 and 4:59 contextualize and reinforce each other meaning. The point is Ulil-Amr authority is the same kind that Ahlulbayt of Ibrahim had.
Title: Re: Moses more important than Aaron?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on October 08, 2021, 10:27:02 AM
4:54 and 4:59 contextualize and reinforce each other meaning. The point is Ulil-Amr authority is the same kind that Ahlulbayt of Ibrahim had.

Ulil amr according to the verse you posted is general leadership NOT prophethood whom the most ahlu baith of Ibrahim as was.

No context relating to divine imams who can move atoms. No where near!

Title: Re: Moses more important than Aaron?
Post by: Soccer on October 08, 2021, 02:02:14 PM
Ulil amr according to the verse you posted is general leadership NOT prophethood whom the most ahlu baith of Ibrahim as was.

No context relating to divine imams who can move atoms. No where near!

You are being obtuse. Your stubborn pride not worth hell dude. Just accept Ahlulbayt (a) authority. It's clear.
Title: Re: Moses more important than Aaron?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on October 09, 2021, 02:29:08 PM
You are being obtuse. Your stubborn pride not worth hell dude. Just accept Ahlulbayt (a) authority. It's clear.

Well it was expected once a Shiite hits a wall and can’t respond he will curse staying true to the path of a pure shiism.

I may be stubborn on following the Quran for what it is Alhamdulillah but no way will I bow down to whispers of the devil and be an ignorant to ASSUME that there is divine authority for ahlu baith in there.

You’re heads not clear.
Title: Re: Moses more important than Aaron?
Post by: Soccer on October 09, 2021, 03:30:46 PM
Well it was expected once a Shiite hits a wall and can’t respond he will curse staying true to the path of a pure shiism.

I may be stubborn on following the Quran for what it is Alhamdulillah but no way will I bow down to whispers of the devil and be an ignorant to ASSUME that there is divine authority for ahlu baith in there.

You’re heads not clear.
4:54 shows "from you" in 4:59 means you too been given an Ahlulbayt that have divine Authority so obey them. What is unclear about it?
Title: Re: Moses more important than Aaron?
Post by: Mythbuster1 on October 09, 2021, 05:27:37 PM
4:54 shows "from you" in 4:59 means you too been given an Ahlulbayt that have divine Authority so obey them. What is unclear about it?
4:54 shows "from you" in 4:59 means you too been given an Ahlulbayt that have divine Authority so obey them. What is unclear about it?

No it doesn’t your just dancing on assumptions it’s repetitive and boring, look how ridiculously you are assuming it’s ahlu baith honestly just ridiculous your posts are worth nothing if this is your answer general authority in Quran hyper stretching its meaning to “divine family” authority that can raise the dead and move atoms.

Honestly am done.
Title: Re: Moses more important than Aaron?
Post by: Soccer on October 09, 2021, 05:55:02 PM
No it doesn’t your just dancing on assumptions it’s repetitive and boring, look how ridiculously you are assuming it’s ahlu baith honestly just ridiculous your posts are worth nothing if this is your answer general authority in Quran hyper stretching its meaning to “divine family” authority that can raise the dead and move atoms.

Honestly am done.

You didn't show what is unclear about it. You just deny and think that refutes it.
Title: Re: Moses more important than Aaron?
Post by: Soccer on November 04, 2022, 03:56:14 PM
Salam

I realize without Imams of Ahlulbayt (a), most of the emphasis of Quran on chosen ones and they coming in groups/families, would not make sense.

The emphasis on Haroun (a) does not make sense without Ali (a).

People saying otherwise won't to escape God's light in the present and make Quran into a book of mere stories.
Title: Re: Moses more important than Aaron?
Post by: Soccer on November 04, 2022, 04:06:04 PM
No it doesn’t your just dancing on assumptions it’s repetitive and boring, look how ridiculously you are assuming it’s ahlu baith honestly just ridiculous your posts are worth nothing if this is your answer general authority in Quran hyper stretching its meaning to “divine family” authority that can raise the dead and move atoms.

Honestly am done.

Do you believe there is a proper context to Ulil-Amr? Or do you believe it's isolated with no relationship to before and after nor the Quran over all?