Sunni Shia Discussion Forum => Imamah-Ghaybah => Topic started by: Soccer on July 11, 2021, 01:55:15 AM

Title: Philosophy of Ghayba in Quran.
Post by: Soccer on July 11, 2021, 01:55:15 AM
مَا مَنَعَنَا أَنْ نُرْسِلَ بِالْآيَاتِ إِلَّا أَنْ كَذَّبَ بِهَا الْأَوَّلُونَ ۚ وَآتَيْنَا ثَمُودَ النَّاقَةَ مُبْصِرَةً فَظَلَمُوا بِهَا ۚ وَمَا نُرْسِلُ بِالْآيَاتِ إِلَّا تَخْوِيفًا

Nothing (ever) keeps Us from sending signs except that the first ones denied them. We gave Thamud the she-camel as an eye-opener, but they wronged her. We do not send the signs except to cause fear.

وَيَقُولُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا لَوْلَا أُنْزِلَ عَلَيْهِ آيَةٌ مِنْ رَبِّهِ ۗ إِنَّمَا أَنْتَ مُنْذِرٌ ۖ وَلِكُلِّ قَوْمٍ هَادٍ

And the people who disbelieve say why is not a sign revealed regarding him from his Lord, You are only a warner and for every people there is a guide.

بَلْ قَالُوا أَضْغَاثُ أَحْلَامٍ بَلِ افْتَرَاهُ بَلْ هُوَ شَاعِرٌ فَلْيَأْتِنَا بِآيَةٍ كَمَا أُرْسِلَ الْأَوَّلُونَ

مَا آمَنَتْ قَبْلَهُمْ مِنْ قَرْيَةٍ أَهْلَكْنَاهَا ۖ أَفَهُمْ يُؤْمِنُونَ

وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا قَبْلَكَ إِلَّا رِجَالًا نُوحِي إِلَيْهِمْ ۖ فَاسْأَلُوا أَهْلَ الذِّكْرِ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ لَا تَعْلَمُونَ

Rather, they say confused visions/dreams rather he has forged it rather he is a poet so let him bring a sign likes those first ones were sent.
No one believed it from those nations we destroyed, will they believe?
And we did not send before you except men who revealed to therefore ask the family of the reminder if you do not know.

The first verse shows if ever God is not sending miracles, it's due first ones denying them. The second verse shows there is always a guide that can show miracles from God to prove he is a guide from God.  And the last verse is saying in context of them asking for miracles, go ahead ask the family of the reminder if you do not know.

We can see a combined understanding is that the family of the reminder are all capable of performing miracles and signs by God's permission.

However, if any time, the family of the reminder have no one among them in public and God is not sending miracles, is due to previous generations denying such miracles and proofs.

This essential proving if the miracles are not in public, something has gone wrong due to previous generations, and God out of his mercy and compassion to not destroy humanity has caused such signs no longer to be public. But as his guides have to perform miracles to prove their authority and that there is for every people a guide who can perform such miracles, this has proven the Imam in this age, in in ghayba, as there is no Imam in public performing miracles.

Title: Re: Philosophy of Ghayba in Quran.
Post by: Soccer on July 19, 2021, 02:58:46 AM
If the night covers the day

I swear by the holiness of the kings appointed by God
I swear by the unavenged blood split of them and their followers
The dark night veils the day
The day that always comes disaster be it may

I swear by the stars that manifest and then hide
It's always meant to stay
But God through his compassion
Returns us to night so we can take rest
Rest from the bright signs and clear proofs
In form of miracles and clear guidance that is best

If he did not do it, would anyone survived?
No surely not
He hides his kings
And their miracles cease temporarily
And people complain
Till the day brightens
Then war is waged again against the light

Day and Night
Night and Day
Sometimes he sends signs
Other times he is prevented
When the first generations denies them

The Quran says
No night would occur
If the first generations would just accept miracles
But the successors
Try their best
And when their followers fail them
The night returns

But this night has been too long
Ugly is the injustice it has spread
longest of all nights
With tears of blood
We await his return
The last of the kings
The bright day is needed again

The terrible warnings
Have come about
In regards to the warnings of Quran
And we are not heading a good path
But the night cannot last forever
So what is going be our fate?

Terrible will be the fate of those warned
Yet ever mocking the promises
Heedless ignorant of what befell past nations
That opposed their Messengers

The Inevitable
What is the Inevitable?
And what will make you know the Inevitable?
Denied did Ad and Thamood the calamity!

I end with the beginning of Surah Haqah
But will anyone pay attention and be heedful?