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There is a simple reason why i have not done so. I only want to prove a point that there is enough evidence for an objective Sunni brother or sister to accept that Umar ibn Al Khattab made a threat to burn down the house of Fatima, whether she was in it or not. It proves he was furious that Ali and the others had opposed Abu Bakr, and he attempted to try to procure their allegiance by force.
However, the entire content of the tradition is not Hujjah upon me. If we debated non-muslims, and wanted to prove something from a chapter of their books, it does not mean you have to take everything in it - only enough to prove that statement alone contradicts their beliefs.
Thus, what i have quoted demonstrates [in addition to the traditions in Bukhari] that the idea Ali ibn abi Talib straight away went to give his allegiance is patently force, and the threat made by Umar ibn al Khattab demonstrates it was far from such a straightforward matter. I do not need to rely on what it says occurred after, but enough to prove my point.
The threat he made on Fatima and Ali, and her two children who were in the house as well as members of the Banu Hashim and other companions is what is corroborated independently in other sources. What occurred after [according to the tradition which i did not quote] may or may not have happened, but historically speaking, the beginning of the tradition is what is of pertinence here.
If a threat was made, and they opposed Abu Bakr and gathered in the house of Fatima, that is enough to disprove the hadith posted on here claiming as soon as they heard , they went and gave their allegiance. What Aslam claims happened after is not Hujjah on me, nor corroborated by other sources.
Nice cop out smarta$$. So it's exclusively hujah on you to accept part of the narration, but the remainder, and the other corroborating narrations which, portray that despite the shaky events prior to 'Ali's bayah, he was openly (not secretively) on Abu Bakr's side through thick, and thin - are befitting for the trash? You want Sunnis to believe 'Umar did threaten 'Ali to give bayah, but what about the remainder part of the narration? The Sunnis will still be stuck to accept your argument, that 'Umar was dictating tyrant, when they evaluate the narration in it's entirety. So you haven't achieved nothing, but broadcasting your Sahaba-bias!
As, I told your comrades here. If you're going to use narrations of ours to prove your narrative, then by the same token you have to refute the narrations that confirm the right perspective. Hadith pickin' methodology is based on nifsaani inclinations. You seem to lack the machine like-clarity to comprehend that fact.
For those who're genuinely open-minded. Don't allow this dude to pull the wool over your eyes. A common trait of the Shias.
Observe:
Muhammad ibn Bishr from Ubaydallah Ibn Omar from Zayd ibn Aslam from his father Aslam the Mawla of Omar.
When Abu Bakr received the pledges of allegiance after the Messenger of Allah, Ali and Al-Zubayr used to enter the presence of Fatima the daughter of the Messenger of Allah and consult with her and hesitate in their allegiance. When news of this reached Omar ibn Al-Khattab, he came out until he entered Fatima’s presence and said: “Daughter of the Messenger of Allah, none in all creation was more dearly beloved to me than your father, and none is more beloved to us after him than you. However, by Allah, this shall not prevent me, if that group gathers in your house, to order that their door be set afire!” When Omar went out, they came and she said: “Do you know that Omar came to me and swore by Allah that if you were to come back, he shall surely burn the door with you inside! By Allah, he shall certainly fulfill what he swore, so go away in peace (literally: Go away as RASHIDEEN!), flee from your opinion, and do not come back to see me.” They left her and did not return to see her until they pledged their allegiance to Abu Bakr.”1) There is a difference of opinion in regards to the authenticity of this narration, some graded it Sahih, some deem it Mursal (disconnected), in any case it is not in the favour of the Rafidha, little they know. Actually accepting this narration should be the option of every Muslim.
2) This narration is a virtue for Omar (RA) Because Omar placed the love of Fatima (RA) right after the love of her father (peace be upon him.
3) Also because Omar would not tolerate or go easy on any man who may cause a division and threaten the unity. This is the Sunnah of the Prophet (the Prophet even threatened to burn down the houses of those who intentionally do not attend the Masjid for no valid reason. Ali also threatened the one who causes the slightest form of disunity in Nahj Al-Balagha. The Prophet said: “Certainly I decided to order the Mu’adh-dhin (call-maker) to pronounce Iqama and order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with their houses.” (Bukhari and Muslim)He also threatened to cut the hand of Fatima if she stole:( أما بعد ، فإنما أهلك الناس قبلكم : أنهم كانوا إذا سرق فيهم الشريف تركوه ، وإذا سرق فيهم الضعيف أقاموا عليه الحد ، والذي نفس محمد بيده ، لو أن فاطمة بنت محمد سرقت لقطعت يدها ) Authenticated by Al-Bukhari and Muslim. We hope Rawafidh want suggest that this makes him unjust, ill-mannered, and psychotic.Even the Prophet would be punished by Allah if he were to fabricate against Allah (swt): 69:44 – 47And if he had invented false sayings concerning Us, We assuredly had taken him by the right hand And then severed his life-artery, And not one of you could have held Us off from him.This is supported by the view of Al-Tabtaba’ee as well:والمعنى: { ولو تقوَّل علينا } هذا الرسول الكريم الذي حمَّلناه رسالتنا وأرسلناه إليكم بقرآن نزَّلناه فيؤخذ بيده أو المراد قطعنا منه يده اليمنى أو المراد لانتقمنا منه بالقوة كما في رواية القمي { ثم لقطعنا منه الوتين } وقتلناه لتقوُّله علينا { فما منكم من أحد عنه حاجزين } تحجبونه عنا وتنجونه من عقوبتنا وإهلاكنا.وهذا تهديد للنبي صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم على تقدير أن يفتري على الله كذباً وينسب إليه شيئاً لم يقله وهو رسول من عنده أكرمه بنبوّته واختاره لرسالته.and there are other Sahih narrations:Rasulullah صل الله عليه و على آله و سلم says: “The one to whom allegiance is sworn first has a supremacy over the others” (Muslim) . In fact, “When oath of allegiance has been taken for two KhalIfas, kill the one for whom the oath was taken later” (Muslim)
4) The house was never burned (a Shia fairy-tale)
5) Fatima (RA) was never beat, let alone her ribs being broken (a Shia fairy-tale)
6) Mohsin, the unborn son of Fatimah was not killed, Rafidha claim (lots of contradicting fabricated narrations, even in their books) that a number of Sahaba broke her ribs and caused her miscarriage. Nothing but a lie, according to this SAHIH narration.
7) Omar did not even threat Fatimah, it was Fatimah herself, according to her own words who understood that she has been excluded from Omar’s threat, this is because she was an Arab (not like the Rafidha Majoos) who understood Arabic and hence she understood that Omar’s concern was Ali and Al-Zubayr only. In fact every Arab speaker will realise it, but since the Rafidha clergy is made up mainly by non-Arabs who are extremely weak in Arabic, then one can’t expect much from their followers who either due to ignorance or blatant mistranslations don’t realise/mention that Omar said the following to Fatimah: إن أمرتهم أن يحرق عليهم البيت (Yet I swear by God that it won’t stop me from gathering these people and commanding them to burn this house down on them.). As you can see, it is ‘alayhim’ i.e. ON THEM. Omar due to his love for Fatimah عليها السلام right from the very beginning EXCLUDED her from this Fitna and threat as much as he could, and the rest of the narration (which the Rafidha in many cases distort, by cutting out what is against their cult and desires) will prove that Fatimah not just understood Omar well (i.e. she not being threatened AT ALL) rather she AGREED WITH HIM. The narration goes on saying: […] So when ‘Omar left they – Ali and Zubair – came so she told them: “Do you know that ‘Omar came to me and swore by Allah that if you returned he would burn the house on you? […] As you can see my Muslim brother and sister, may Allah have mercy upon you, Fatimah understood Omar very well, she understood that ‘Omar never threatened her, she understood that she’s not the concern AT all, also she understood that it is her hustband and Al-Zubayr who with their DELAY of their pledge were causing problems, hence she said that Omar threatened to burn the house on them.
8 ) The last part is actually the part that pulverises Rafidism completely, hence you find Rafidha scholars simply OMITTING the last part
(like whoaretheshia did), the most CRUCIAL part of the narration, for it refutes their ENTIRE sect:
[…] By Allah he would fulfill what he promised so be men of wisdom and FLEE FROM YOUR OPINION and never come back (until you have given Bay’ah).” So they never returned until they gave Abu Bakr the Baya’ah. Source: Musannaf ibn abi Shaybah 7/432. This proves that Fatimah shared Omars view, in fact she WARNED Ali and Zubayr (who according to other Sahih sources did delay the Bay’ah and finally gave the Bay’ah, as proven before) to FLEE from their OPINION. This is indeed the most beautiful part of the narration, proving that Fatimah was a Bakriyyah (Abu Bakr follower) even before her husband. She being upset LATER because of Fadak is a whole other issue, for she never renounced the authority of Abu Bakr (hence she went to him in the first place!). Ali gave Bay’ah, so another Shia lie is exposed (that he never gave Bay’ah).
CONCLUSION:
Abu Bakr (ra) and the Sahaba were done in Saqifa, then they went to give the pledge of allegiance to Abu Bakr (ra) in public, everyone gave it but when Abu Bakr (ra) looked he never found al-Zubair (ra) and `Ali (ra), he called on them, Omar (ra) went to call on them, he learned that they were meeting in Fatima’ (ra) house and did not attend the Bay`ah, he was angry and went to the house (Then this narration happened), after this Fatima (ra) told al-Zubair (ra) and `Ali (ra) to go give the pledge when they returned, they went and gave it and admitted the superiority and worthiness of Abu Bakr (ra) and said they were only late and upest because they were angry that they weren’t consulted in Saqifa, Abu Bakr (ra) explained to them how things went, and this is what made them happy, otherwise Ali (and even Al-Zubayr) would have never given the Bay’ah, they were not Taqiyyah-mongering cowards as the Rafidha potray them (rather him i.e. Ali, since Al-Zubayr just as 99% of the Sahaba is a Kafir to the Mushrik Rawafidh anyway).
And as you can see, every Muslim should accept the narration (those who weaken it have no strong arguments in our opinion) with open arms, to Rawafidh one could say:
Congratulations for finding a narration that blows up the Rafidhi house burning/rip breaking/cheek slapping/unborn child killing myth and confirms the direct Bay’ah of Ali and the support of Fatimah for Abu Bakr’s Khilafah. Hang it up over your bed, this really should be framed in gold:
Source:
https://gift2shias.com/2012/12/26/7940/
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