"Indeed Ibrahim as was tried in His prophethood and fulfilled the commandments set by Allah swt, we agree with the verse, but He wasn’t tried so He can achieve a higher status, that’s just your theory you made up to prop up Imamate"
Your words, "but He wasn’t tried so he can achieve a higher status". But he was tried and when he was successful he was made an Imam of the people. But after he was tried and he became successful. This clearly tells that he wasn't an Imam before this. He was a Messenger and Prophet but not an Imam.
Tried with what? You keep banging on about tried but what was the trial to achieve divine Imamate?
My friend imam is just a leader, Ibrahim as is remembered as a prophet FIRST and then Allah swt placed Him as an imam a leader, His tests according to His nabuwwah He had passed and Allah swt made him a leader after prophethood amongst His people without ANY divine power, unless the verse you quoted says so otherwise it’s a normal leadership you and I or anyone can attain.
Again you are pushing the idea of divine imams without clear enough evidence or are just desperately trying to explain something that is not clear.
This is no joke. He was made an Imam after being tried and being successful. This proves clearly that there is such thing as Imamah. That was the question and here it is again, is there such thing as Imamah and does it exist in the Qur'an. In other words, is it mentioned in the Qur'an? The answer is, Absolutely and most definitely YES.
He was made an imam. He definitely wasn’t a DIVINE imam, you know and I know and the Muslims who read the Quran KNOW THERE DEFINITELY ISNT NO DIVINE IMAM STATUS OR THEORY WITHIN THE QURAN..........hence you keep posting that 1 verse REPEATEDLY and add your own theory onto it why it is divine Imamate but not no normal Imamate.
You added the concept of promotion too which you cannot explain......yet, your answer is “it was up to Allah!”.
Come on😳
"Those tests weren’t tests to reach a higher status my lil friend this is where you are having big problems explaining:
Higher status? That can be looked at and discussed. But one thing is clear that after being tried and being successful in that trial only then he was made an Imam.
Now you saying;
"Those tests weren’t tests to reach a higher status my lil friend this is where you are having big problems explaining"
Either I'm having problems explaining or your having problems understanding. Lets balance this and keep it fair.
Personally I think it’s YOU who is having problems understanding YOUR own theory😄
The Shiites belief is, imams are higher than prophets.
Yes I agree. But the problem with that 1.6 billion is the Sahaba, the Companions. A handful of companions took matter in their own hands based on the theory that the Prophet s.a.w did not name and appoint anyone to govern after him.
So being honest and going by this theory this is a very very important matter. And that is choosing a leader to govern the Muslims and their affairs. The reputation, character, honour and all the rest of it of these companions is on the line.
This is where the problem is for the 1.6 billion Muslims you mention. It's not that the 1.6 billion Muslims can’t see the imamah, it's they do see it but are having problems accepting it then trying to come to terms with it. If they do come anywhere near or close to seeing it then what do you think will happen about Saqifa? And the character and reputation of those involved and concerned?
So a few men held the prophet saw’s religion hostage and wanted to rule and for 1400 years Allah swt has hidden the last imam made shiites unanswerable like yourself.......(PROMOTIONS!!) hid or secluded anything related to Imamate in the book made you the weakest out of all the ummah (look at Shiite history).
Yet the facts about them great leaders are completely opposite altogether.
Whom is a god fearing soul gonna believe? History or your say so?
DEFINITELY NOT YOU!!
If it simple, easy and understandable as you put it and according to your theory then Allah wouldn’t have mentioned this because he was already a IMAM meaning LEADER to begin with. What was the whole point of the trial and being successful and only after that Allah making him an Imam of the people?
Ibrahim as had a specific allocation given to him by Allah swt, which is that from his progeny will be all the prophets and from them - for Muslims - comes Muhammad saw.
Not imams of divine nature!
It’s that simple.
I STILL NEED YOU TO PROVIDE ME OF EVIDENCE THAT YOU KNEW MY INTENTIONS TO DERAIL AND DIVERT ATTENTION FROM YOUR THEORIES.......I ain’t gonna let you lie about me and walk away, either an apology or evidence will do.