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The argument for Islam is very simple.
« on: March 21, 2017, 11:25:22 AM »
1. You can rely on the sufficient for guidance (God), or you can rely on people claiming that they should or can be followed.
2. The problem with relying on other then God is that you cannot know who is guided unless God manifests them with clear proof, and hence, cannot know who should be followed.
3. The leaders he wants us to follow and who makes representatives of his religion are his chosen ones.
4. God gives clear guidance with respect to the affair of his chosen ones.
5. The ones he associates together in a mission, also happen to be the closest one's to each other, and they are "family" in ways normal blood relatives or wives related to them are not.
6. Holy Ladies like Sarah and Mariam although don't take on the position were they should be taken as ruler by all humanity, are examples and signs of God and are part of the holy family that God has chosen for guidance. They are to emphasize that the path is meant for both men and women equally, although, the man and woman are not alike though people want them to be very similar in this century.
7. God has sacred numbers for the spiritual way the universe operates, whether it be 19 Angels on the Hell, the 6 days before the throne, the 7 veils, the 7 earths and 7 heavens, the summary of dim light in the night, bright light in the night, and really bright so mush so it's manifest bright day in 3, etc, and the sacred number for Captains of the covenant who steer the boat that is "by the name of God" in it's steering and anchoring, is 12, just as the months with God are Twelve the day he created the heavens and the earth, four of them being sacred, this being the upright religion.
8. God is consistent with his sacred numbers and has wisdom in them.
9. God is very clean in providing proof consistently and demonstrates by his way of the past, to the present and future.
10. The number of Salahs, the number of Rukus, and Sujoods, in both day and night, and in each Salah,  and combined, all have sacred value in Quran but are not explicitly stated. Thus we need the "Sunnah" to explicit explain us the Quran and give us the explicit directions. The words to be stated in Salah are also complimentary to Quran and have wisdom in Quran. Everything is found in Quran but we don't preceive everything. The same is true of the names of the Imams in Quran. The same is true of all the rites of Hajj. etc, etc..... Quran contains everything and manifests the wisdom of it, but not explicitly. The complimentary nature of the Sunnah is hence needed.
11. We can listen to all sorts of people babble about the Quran but at the end, it's the family of the reminder who God wants us to seek knowledge from and directed humanity to ask when we do not know as all those sent before Mohammad were men who he revealed revelation to, and made the means towards him, and who were explainer of the revelation revealed to their hearts.
12. As God leaves a legacy of knowledge through the family of the reminder, we are to seek light from their words, and not rely on others to explain to us the Quran, though we may council one another about the ahadiths and Quran, we need to come thirsty to the family of the reminder like we come thirsty to Quran. Together, they will connect us to God and Salah cannot be established without this realization.
13. Innovations are not to be followed but rather all practices relating to the sacred have to have proof from either a legacy of news from God or by knowledge. There has to be traces of knowledge to rely on, and not conjecture.
14. God is the True King and Master in all this, and sufficient is God as a Guide.



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Re: The argument for Islam is very simple.
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2017, 02:19:11 PM »
It's also very simple to conclude that you're not in the folds of Islam
They asked how many will be with the one I hate. I said 313

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Re: The argument for Islam is very simple.
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2017, 02:23:53 PM »
It's also very simple to conclude that you're not in the folds of Islam
Who in their sane mind would care about what you consider to be Islam or you judge to be in the fold of it.

Love of the family of Yaseen is the light of the heavens and the earth.

zaid_ibn_ali

Re: The argument for Islam is very simple.
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2017, 02:59:13 PM »
You identify yourself as shia. Yet your beliefs are not wholly orthodox shia belief. Should you not be on a shia forum & arguing your version of shi'ism/islam on there?

If I identify myself as sunni yet i'm constantly going against orthodox sunni belief, why would I spend all my time arguing with shia on a shia forum when I should be dealing with the reformation of sunni islam on a sunni forum?


Hani

Re: The argument for Islam is very simple.
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2017, 03:34:09 PM »
Believe it or not, we probably listen to him more than they do. You know Shia are not mentally capable of absorbing new ideas.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2017, 06:03:44 PM by Hani »
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

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Re: The argument for Islam is very simple.
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2017, 02:26:51 AM »
You identify yourself as shia. Yet your beliefs are not wholly orthodox shia belief. Should you not be on a shia forum & arguing your version of shi'ism/islam on there?

I already did. Check out this thread: http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235036374-arguments-against-taqleed-from-quran-ahadith-and-reason/
Love of the family of Yaseen is the light of the heavens and the earth.

Zlatan Ibrahimovic

Re: The argument for Islam is very simple.
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2017, 02:26:30 PM »
It's also very simple to conclude that you're not in the folds of Islam

Lol. And you think you're in the fold of Islam?
محور المقاومة والممانعة

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Re: The argument for Islam is very simple.
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2017, 02:14:59 PM »
It's also very simple to conclude that you're not in the folds of Islam

Lol. And you think you're in the fold of Islam?

All the arguments for Prophets apply to Leaders appointed by God after sealing Prophethood. All the arguments in Quran prove Shiism, and even designate a wisdom of manifesting a number mainly twelve with respect to succession, that is why the Rasool says "believe in the the numbering of twelve" and then quotes the verses mentioning twelve.

Every Surah where belief in Prophets or Messengers is emphasized is flowing with respect to obeying God through leaders he appointed, and the latter is the reason why God didn't just bring books coming down to a sky witnessed by observers although he could have done it that way.

Those who wish God didn't clarify the number in Quran only wish the Quran is missing one more essential piece to the issue of guidance, and woe to those who don't look to Quran for guidance and don't look to follow those it appoints.

Those who wish God doesn't manifest purity of a certain people and designate them as to our centre of attention for seeking knowledge and wisdom,  do so because they wish to lower the issue of leadership to their level, and pay attention and seek it from those who God has not appointed.

They wish for people to be at their level or below, and do not believe in the path believers believe in,  the path ordained through leaders appointed by him, upheld always by a course/way appointed by him.

May God make us see the true light of the Quran and not the perverted urination of Iblis and his forces regarding in our ears and sights.

Love of the family of Yaseen is the light of the heavens and the earth.

 

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