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[Al Nasrani]

You Muslims are the most pathetic people on earth why do you bring up the Bible when you know that you have violence in your book but I will look into it and bring you an answer.

Look into it? 😂😂 I knew it, you didnt even know your own book. The verses of war in Quran is nothing compare to whats in your book, but here you are throwing stone in your glasshouse.

Actually the only mushrik is you since you are polytheists since your own prophet said Allah has daughters which he did lol. I don't worship a half naked man but it would surely beat worshipping a stone.

Nah, worshipping a half naked god who cried for help is a definition of a full on mushrik. How idiotic can you mushrik be asking for help from such an idol? You might as well worship a toast, at least it can make you a nice hot breakfast 😀

I don't know a half naked God but it's sure beats worshipping a stone who has three daughters. Actually about the Bible I refuted the violence in the Bible up there go and see it can you answer me on violence in the Quran I won't expect you to answer since you Muslims are so into your jahl and wathanism you ignore all proof. I know my book question is do you know yours? Please can you address the points in the Quran such as your own prophet telling you that Allah has daughters seems like Mohammed was a mushrik I'm quite confused on who the mushrik is since your prophet worshipped 4 gods or was it 360 I'm even confused when it comes to that lol but I myself would rather worship one naked god then a black stone with naked daughters have you seen the statue of Al Uzza Petra?

[Hadrami]

God lawfully has the right to execute judgment upon anyone. The Bible says that all people have sinned against God and are under his righteous judgment. Therefore, their execution is not an arbitrary killing nor is it murder. Murder is the unlawful taking of life. Killing is the lawful taking of life. For example, we can lawfully take a life in defense of our selves, our families, our nations, etc.

Well, there you go mushrik! What are you complaining about then? Your book are filled with such verses. If it was in quran, you would probably say it is proof that Islam is evil. Your half naked god teach you double standard?

Allah in the Quran never directly ordered the killing it was Mohammed who would randomly order violence which in that case is murder since God has not given such order to Mohammed so I again have refuted you guys when you try and play with the Bible but you guys can't answer me on the Quran until now, doesn't seem fair to me.

You are wrong mushrik, every Prophets is Allah's servant.  Refuted what? You just refuted your own argument by that big bold red sentence

I don't know a half naked God but it's sure beats worshipping a stone who has three daughters. Actually about the Bible I refuted the violence in the Bible up there go and see it can you answer me on violence in the Quran I won't expect you to answer since you Muslims are so into your jahl and wathanism you ignore all proof. I know my book question is do you know yours? Please can you address the points in the Quran such as your own prophet telling you that Allah has daughters seems like Mohammed was a mushrik I'm quite confused on who the mushrik is since your prophet worshipped 4 gods or was it 360 I'm even confused when it comes to that lol but I myself would rather worship one naked god then a black stone with naked daughters have you seen the statue of Al Uzza Petra?

Refuted violence in bible? nice joke. That killing women, child and infant verse is not in quran, its in your bible. Its your Lord's book. Be consistent, use your standard and apply it to your book.

I know my book question is do you know yours? Please can you address the points in the Quran such as your own prophet telling you that Allah has daughters seems like Mohammed was a mushrik I'm quite confused on who the mushrik is since your prophet worshipped 4 gods or was it 360 I'm even confused when it comes to that lol but I myself would rather worship one naked god then a black stone with naked daughters have you seen the statue of Al Uzza Petra?

god has daughters, muslim worship stone or maybe moon good topic? Sounds like a typical ignorant mushrik who reads too much anti Islam garbage. Your half naked god cried on the 11th hour and ask his dad to help him (or was it his mom?). You see when it comes to ridiculous religion, believing in half naked god who cant help himself is. A saviour of mankind who cant save himself. Yes, i know you gonna say he want to sacrifice himself, well why the hell your god cried if he knew it was gonna happen to him? You mushrik always come with similar ridiculous excuses like shia. I reckon you didnt even believe in trinity, you just hate Islam. Yes, i know your type. A self hating half arab who blame things on Islam for all the bad things which his alcoholic, womaniser, anti Islam someone did to him. Like you said, you were never a practising muslim anyway, its normal youre like this. Just go to your anti Islam forum, be with your kind, no need to ruin this sunni shia forum to Muslim vs half naked god worshipper.

[Al Nasrani]

Please explain this violence in your own Quran.

Quote from: Sheikh on November 19, 2017, 10:49:56 PM
In what way do the Greek Orthodox keep the Sabbath?  Can you please provide me with a single reference that shows a Greek Orthodox bishop or patriarch talking about keeping the Sabbath?


Mutah is in the Quran?  Please show me. I imagine you’re referring to Al-Nisa 24 where the word istimta’tum is used?  This has been refuted many times and I can bring the proofs if you’d like. Or did you have a different verse?
 

Yes, please show me evidence of when Muhammad murdered people (i.e. their being killed was not a result of war, a punishment by the state, or in self defense). I’d be interested to see that.


How is the black stone an idol?  Nobody prays to it or says it is in heaven and can hear us, the way that people do with idols (and the way Christians do with statues of the virgin).

Actually about Mutah it's in the Quran but first I will address proof of Muhammad's murders here's one proof, Narrated Anas bin Malik:

On the day of the Conquest, the Prophet (ﷺ) entered Mecca, wearing a helmet on his head. When he took it off, a man came and said, "Ibn Khatal is clinging to the curtain of the Ka`ba." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Kill him." (Malik a sub-narrator said, "On that day the Prophet (ﷺ) was not in a state of Ihram as it appeared to us, and Allah knows better.") here's another Hadith, Narrated Sa'id ibn Yarbu' al-Makhzumi:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said: on the day of the conquest of Mecca: There are four persons whom I shall not give protection in the sacred and non-sacred territory. He then named them. There were two singing girls of al-Maqis; one of them was killed and the other escaped and embraced Islam. Abu Dawud said: I could not understand its chain of narrators from Ibn al-'Ala' as I liked.
  And about the black stone what nonsense you said Muslims don't believe in the significance of the black stone well please explain this,  ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Abbas (r.a) reports that Messenger of Allah (s.a.w) said:
‘Indeed on the day of judgement, this (black) stone shall have a tongue and two lips to testify for those who touched it.’

And explain the polytheism of the black stone, also please don't presume to know my life story I didn't attempt to learn yours and third I'm a full Arab not half I wish I was half Arab but God chose this life for me and I gladly accept it. And no not all things bad in my life were from Islam some of the things were from ignorant people like you lol. Also the violence of the Old Testament is irrelevant since we don't follow it anymore while you still follow the Quran and Hadith and sunnah of Mohammed. So again you are refuted also I thought Muslims loved Jesus and here you are making fun of him by the way I will expose you Muslims for what you are from your own mouths. You claim to believe in Jesus yet here you are laughing at him but what can I expect from a follower of a fals prophet and a pagan surely you don't want to be humiliated when I show you how your prophet bowed down to Al Uzza and Manat and Allat how embarrassing to be in your position.

[Hadrami]

this forum is created for sunni shia related discussion. There are plenty muslim christian forum you can entertain yourself. Embarassing is when you worship a half naked guy who couldnt save himself and then call him a saviour. No, i didnt insult Prophet Isa AS because he was never on that cross. Its your half naked god, but not my prophet.

[Hadrami]

I notice that 6 pages 100+ posts later, not a single shia even try to raise an objection about what this mushrik half naked god worshipper wrote about Rasulullah shallallahu alayhi wasallam. If he insulted their 12 demigods, im sure shia would swarm him.

[muslim720]

That's funny and no we survived because we allied with the Byzantines and crusaders and fought back

Which Crusaders?  The Crusaders whom Salahuddin (rah) defeated like the sissies they were?

look at Zoroastrianism the religion barely survives due to Muslim persecution Bhuddism in Afghanistan is wiped out completely Pakistani Hindus barely exist anymore

Do you think all the Christian nations on the planet today were always Christian?  As for Zoroastrianism, it died out because it did not serve its adherents except it imposed itself upon them.  Religion defines the purpose of life, give humans hope, explain the world around us and connect us to the Divine.  Zoroastrianism nearly offered none of those points and yet, it was quite demanding in its rigid caste system, its incessant purity rituals and its intolerance for unorthodox thought.  So when Islam was entered the picture, many Zoroastrians abandoned Zoroastrianism with almost no resistance because Islam came with an egalitarian philosophy, a bond of brotherhood, a much deeper theology, a God who could be reached without any intermediaries or priests and last but not least, economic and social benefits.

Think about this for a moment.  Now that the "persecution" has ended, you will see that Zoroastrian theology has not evolved an iota.  It still is strictly insular, vehemently traditional and stubbornly averse to change and new ideas in the realm of religion.  Islam appealed to the hearts and minds of people more than you would like to admit.

Explain to me why no Christians pagans or Jews exist in Arabia anymore

Well, let us not talk about Jews.  Go read the works of Moses Maimonides and then come tell us who he thought were the pagans....Christians or Muslims. 

do I need to show you the countless atrocities your prophet and his companions committed against us.

Yes!  Also, include in the list the massacre that Christians would visit upon the Jews every Easter.

[muslim720]

I don't know what missionaries you had

The kind that had an ounce of shame, not like you.

but I assure you that this won't be the last time you see me as I will gladly refute your claim.

Careful!  I hope you do not confuse quantity for quality.

a. Resurrection of the body
The present tense of “’I am ascending to my Father” means that Jesus is already in the process of ascending but has not yet reached his destination [1]. That means that Jesus is after his resurrection on the way to the invisible reality of God. Just before Jesus Christ went to heaven, he said: “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” (Matthew 28:18). Therefore Jesus Christ is God.

If you revisit my post, I have clearly highlighted and underlined the part "to my God".  Hence, it was not the ascension that I wanted to bring to your attention; instead I wanted to show you that Jesus (asws) taught that he had a God.  How can God have a God?  Remember my other post you ignored about paradoxes?  Here is another paradox!  How can God have God?  But you have three more paragraphs.  Let us see if you tried to rationalize this paradox in any of your three remaining points.

b. Internal relation between Jesus and God
“To my Father and your Father, to my God and your God” means that Jesus Christ did not mention a common God for all, but “my God”, the personal God of Jesus Christ and this implies an unique and internal relation between Jesus Christ, the Son of God and the Father. This internal relation between Jesus Christ and the Father means that Jesus Christ is divine. However, this internal relation can only be found after careful searching for the truth [2].

Ibn Zura, the title of the website, should be renamed to "Ibn Jahl" because he truly is the offspring of ignorance!  So Jesus (asws), by saying "my God", was implying an unique and internal relation between Jesus (asws) and God and this internal relation makes Jesus (asws) divine.  Imagine if you and I worked for the same company and I said, "I have to go talk to the manager, to your manager and to my manager".  Does that mean I am implying an unique and internal relation between me and the manager and that somehow implies that I am the manager?  Nonsense!

As I said, the other missionaries had some shame and they silently went away.

c. Context
As perfect example and spiritual coach of mankind, Jesus explains the way to go for man and therefore Thomas declares Jesus as God: “And Thomas answered and said to Him, ‘My Lord and my God!’” (John 20:28). Therefore from the context of John 20:17 with following verses, it becomes clear that Jesus is God.

Thomas was expressing his astonishment to have found Jesus (asws) in flesh.  He was not willing to believe that Jesus (asws) was in their midst until he saw him with his own eyes and put his "fingers where the nails were" because he had heard that Jesus (asws) had been crucified.  So when the other disciples told him that they had seen Jesus (asws), after the alleged crucifixion, and Thomas saw Jesus (asws) and touched him, he was surprised and exclaimed, "My Lord and my God". 

Also earlier Jesus said: “Now I am leaving the world and going back to the Father” (John 16:28) , an implication that he comes from God and goes back to God and therefore he can only be God, as he said: “Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves." (John 14:10-11)

We all come from God and return to Him.  Does that make us all Divine?  Also, please read the context starting with the very first verse of John 14.  If that is too much, let me share the central point made known in verse 8. 

Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."  So Jesus (asws) says to him, "Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time?  Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.  How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?" (John 14:8-9)

In other words, Jesus (asws) says that if one has believed in him, he must also believe in God because he does as God commands him to do.  Trust me, for every one verse you present to "prove" that Jesus (asws) is God, I can present two that shows him to be a mere mortal.

Therefore John 20:17 is not a denial that Jesus is divine.

In other words, another paradox.  God can have a God and they are both gods and yet the followers claim they believe in one God.

d. Conclusion
That said that he returned to his Father is not a denial of the divinity of Jesus, because he has an internal divine relation with the Father.

If you have an internal relation with your father, or mother, does that mean you are also your own father, or mother?  You really give dump people tremendous hope.