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What are your three reasons of rejecting Shia concept of Imamate?

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Kalaam

As-salamu alaikum

I invite everyone who rejects Shia concept of Imamate to present three reasons on the basis of which he/she rejects Shia concept of Imamate.

Every reason should be in the format of a paragraph, and not less than 100 words.

Looking forward to learn.

omar111

Re: What are your three reasons of rejecting Shia concept of Imamate?
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2016, 11:46:05 PM »
1) The concept of Imamate is not in Quran.
2) There is no sahi Shia hadith about the concept.Shia take Hadith e kissa, 12 khalifs, ghadeer and manzilat from Sunni sources.
3) The concept of Imamate in shias is funny. Like Imams being born from thighs, and a person being alive in a cave for 14 centuries and Imam Baqir flying on an Elephant!

Abu Muhammad

Re: What are your three reasons of rejecting Shia concept of Imamate?
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2016, 08:39:57 AM »
Wa'alakumussalam warahmatuLlah.

Brother Kalam. Sorry upfront. Not in paragraph format and more than 100 words. I've written this down and then realized your 100 words limit. :-\

1. Evidence from Al-Quran.

There is no concept of imamah of the Twelvers in Al-Quran. The best Twelvers can do is by bringing in a very, very vague and ambigous ayah to prove their concept of imamah.  And certainly we cannot based our aqeedah on a vague and ambigous dalil, let alone the most important element of their aqeedah i.e. imamah.

2. Infallible guides.

They said that human needs infallible imams to ensure that the guidance we received is free from error. This must be so because it is against lutf of Allah s.w.t. if He s.w.t. leaves human being without error-free guidance.

And yet significant majority of the time (since 260 AH or 1,178 years out of 1,438 years or more than 80% of the Islamic history), there is no infallible imam to guide human. Only fallible scholars. So, the claimed that infallible guides is a must has no basis whatsoever when we compared against the past (and still continue) reality. That proves that human's need of any infallible imam after the demised of Prophet s.a.w. is false. Can never ever be proven with the reality.

3. "Mysteries" surrounding the twelf imam.

i) There is no sound textual evidence from the Shi'i sources themselves that the twelf imam has ever been born. Their hadiths that tell the story of the birth are all weak according to their own ulama.

ii) Earlier in his "life", nobody knows the name of the twelf imam. In fact, it was forbident to name him until the Twelvers started adopting the view of Waqifi to justify prolong occultation and equated Al-Qaim to Al-Mahdi and hence, the name of Muhammad (I think that happened after 30-40 years of his supposed-birth).

iii) Even though the twelf imam was still in contact with his followers via his 4 deputies for approx. 70 years, a bulk majority of his messages with them were regarding khums and collection of khums and not so much of guiding people. Even Al-Kulayni who lived within this era collected less than 200 hadiths from him out of more than 16,000 he got in Al-Kafi.

Hadrami

Re: What are your three reasons of rejecting Shia concept of Imamate?
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2016, 06:00:06 AM »
1. The concept of "only infallible Imam can guide us to the truth" is proven false as shia has no imam to guide them for more than a thousand years (unless they want to admit they are upon falsehood all this time)

2. The concept of "only infallible Imam can guide us to the truth" is proven false as many times imam actually guide them to falsehood (due to taqiya)

3. The concept of "only infallible Imam can guide us to the truth" is proven false as shia believe fallible scholars can guide them to the truth (unless they want to believe their scholars are infallibles too)

demmzy15

Re: What are your three reasons of rejecting Shia concept of Imamate?
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2016, 04:57:02 PM »
When they say Imam Mahdi is guiding and yet the Crusaders slaughtered Muslims like sheeps and today the suffering of Palestinians and other Muslims. Imam Mahdi is doing nothing!

zaid_ibn_ali

Re: What are your three reasons of rejecting Shia concept of Imamate?
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2016, 03:28:17 PM »
1) no basis of shia imamate in the Quran

2) for the past 1000 years there is no visible infallible imam, so shias are following normal human beings which is a contradiction

3) the sect is based on lies after lies from extremely dodgy people like some unknown kufans & qummis

fgss

Re: What are your three reasons of rejecting Shia concept of Imamate?
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2017, 10:49:41 AM »
1. No clear proof. All they bring is either ambiguous verses/ahadith or examples of prophets/previous ummahs.

2. The fact that Imam Ali and his progeny themselves never declared to public that they are divinely appointed imams.

3. Book firaq ul shia.
إِنَّ أَصْدَقَ الْحَدِيثِ كِتَابُ اللَّهِ وَأَحْسَنَ الْهَدْىِ هَدْىُ مُحَمَّدٍ وَشَرَّ الأُمُورِ مُحْدَثَاتُهَا وَكُلَّ مُحْدَثَةٍ بِدْعَةٌ وَكُلَّ بِدْعَةٍ ضَلاَلَةٌ وَكُلَّ ضَلاَلَةٍ فِي النَّارِ

May Allah guide us to the true teachings of Quran and Sunnah of His beloved Prophet (s.a.w.w). Ameen

Hadrami

Re: What are your three reasons of rejecting Shia concept of Imamate?
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2017, 10:11:37 PM »
i forgot to add taqiyya. A guide who contradict himself all the time or giving false religious ruling intentionally cant be called a guide, but should be called a guide/misguide

 

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