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Ayatollah Qazvini reads the Quran verses upside down
« on: August 03, 2014, 11:41:50 PM »
This is Ayatollah Qazvini, manager of Velayat tv. He often boasts about his knowledge especially his knowledge of 'ilm rijal'. He once said if there are 1 or 2 ilme rijal expert in Qum then he is one of them.

Anyways, watch how he reads the verse of the Quran:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=522464291232883

Edit: Don't know why it is not embedding the video.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2014, 11:54:49 PM by AbuMuslimKhorasani »
در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

عطار نِیشابوری

Hadrami

Re: Ayatollah Qazvini reads the Quran verses upside down
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2014, 07:38:27 AM »
That is really sad. Dont you need to pass some sort of test to be called ayatula? Wasnt he the one recorded on video saying many hawza students had doubts about shia belief after debates during visit to al haramain?

Hani

Re: Ayatollah Qazvini reads the Quran verses upside down
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2014, 12:08:51 PM »
UmareBinKhattab, you know what to do bro! Make a new video compilation of Ayatullas reading Qur'an!
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Hadrami

Re: Ayatollah Qazvini reads the Quran verses upside down
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2014, 12:13:18 PM »
UmareBinKhattab, you know what to do bro! Make a new video compilation of Ayatullas reading Qur'an!

he has one already

MMuXw
« Last Edit: August 05, 2014, 12:15:54 PM by Hadrami »

lotfilms

Re: Ayatollah Qazvini reads the Quran verses upside down
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2014, 08:20:15 PM »
None of you guys have messed up quoting an ayah before?

Hadrami

Re: Ayatollah Qazvini reads the Quran verses upside down
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2014, 12:22:14 AM »
None of you guys have messed up quoting an ayah before?

I'm actually commenting about his recitation, not the order. I've heard a 50 yr old afghani sunni recite with that similar thick accent, it's painful to hear, but he's layman not some famous sunni scholar. See that youtube video, he's not the only one. Id be embarrased if i were you knowing my famous scholars recite like that.  Do you think their recitation are acceptable?
« Last Edit: August 08, 2014, 12:49:18 AM by Hadrami »

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Re: Ayatollah Qazvini reads the Quran verses upside down
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2014, 12:54:23 AM »
بسم الله الرحمن الرحیم
اسلام علیکم

None of you guys have messed up quoting an ayah before?

Brother, I agree with you, we are humans and make mistakes. However, this is not the first time this Ayatollah is reading the verses wrongly. There are many other videos of him mixing the verses when he attempts to read them in his anti-Sunni shows.

I'm actually commenting about his recitation, not the order. Don't you think the recitation is bad & embarassing? Aren't there any test before someone can become an ayatula? My 6yr old son can recite better than that alhamdulillah.

You mean Qazvini? His recitation seems to be fine, just the order is messed up :). But I agree with you about most of their Ayatollahs reciting the Quran as if they are reading it for the first time. This is because they, and all other misguided sects, spend less time with the Quran.
در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

عطار نِیشابوری

Hani

Re: Ayatollah Qazvini reads the Quran verses upside down
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2014, 01:57:04 AM »
None of you guys have messed up quoting an ayah before?


Why is it that big Shia scholars seem to mess up a lot more than Sunni scholars to the extent that they've become very famous for it? Thus these types of videos started popping up. Do you see Salafis quoting Sufi scholars making mistakes in recitation? Do you see Sufis quoting Salafi scholars making mistakes in recitation? Do Madkhalis quote Ikhwani scholars making mistake in recitation? etc..etc... I hope it's clear.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2014, 01:59:21 AM by Hani »
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Hadrami

Re: Ayatollah Qazvini reads the Quran verses upside down
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2014, 03:23:20 AM »
You mean Qazvini? His recitation seems to be fine, just the order is messed up :). But I agree with you about most of their Ayatollahs reciting the Quran as if they are reading it for the first time. This is because they, and all other misguided sects, spend less time with the Quran.

You're being too nice bro, for someone who suppose to be a scholar, that is not a fine recitation even if he didn't stuff up the order. I can hear his thick accent particularly when he recite جزاءبما. A good teacher would've told him to repeat that part and recite it properly.

By the way, he is that ayatula who complained about many hawza student had doubt about shiaism after al haramain visit right?
« Last Edit: August 08, 2014, 03:48:58 AM by Hadrami »

lotfilms

Re: Ayatollah Qazvini reads the Quran verses upside down
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2014, 04:35:31 AM »
Why is it that big Shia scholars seem to mess up a lot more than Sunni scholars to the extent that they've become very famous for it? Thus these types of videos started popping up. Do you see Salafis quoting Sufi scholars making mistakes in recitation? Do you see Sufis quoting Salafi scholars making mistakes in recitation? Do Madkhalis quote Ikhwani scholars making mistake in recitation? etc..etc... I hope it's clear.
It probably just seems that way because there's particular obsession with finding faults with Shias and humiliating them

i watch hours upon hours upon hours of Salafi lectures and duroos from scholars who have not only memorized the Quran with itqaan masha'Allah but also many poems, if not the mu'allaqaat and yet i hear mistakes from time to time. 
As it's said:
جلّ من لا يخطئ

i could probably combine a video of al-Haidary and other Shia scholars quoting hundreds of ayahs from memory without mistakes

However as for Hadhrami's question, no the recitation (the pronunciation of the words) that we generally see from some top Shia scholars is not appropriate for a scholar or even a person who reads and listens to the Quran a lot.  This really needs to be improved.

But interestingly enough, many of the lower-level shaykhs recite just fine, like al-Habib:


But yea improving reading and understanding the Quran is a big must
« Last Edit: August 08, 2014, 04:38:40 AM by lotfilms »

lotfilms

Re: Ayatollah Qazvini reads the Quran verses upside down
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2014, 04:50:39 AM »
Can you guys make the editing time a bit longer? lol  i want to delete the Yasir al-Habib part

Hadrami

Re: Ayatollah Qazvini reads the Quran verses upside down
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2014, 08:33:48 AM »
Can you guys make the editing time a bit longer? lol  i want to delete the Yasir al-Habib part

Delete the youtube clip?

About the shia scholars mistake, i think its a case of there are no mistake such as reading a simple ayat done by sunni scholars. What happen there is not normal. Its not just a mistake but the high frequency of those mistakes. I mean just look at the recitation videos, those big famous ayatulla wont even got in to tilawah quran conpetition. Even a sunni primary school competition.

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Re: Ayatollah Qazvini reads the Quran verses upside down
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2014, 05:34:24 PM »
Delete the youtube clip?

The brother meant he wanted to edit his post but it was too late.

I suggest the edit time should be increased to at least 5-10 hours.
در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

عطار نِیشابوری

Farid

Re: Ayatollah Qazvini reads the Quran verses upside down
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2014, 06:12:57 PM »
This is Ayatollah Qazvini, manager of Velayat tv. He often boasts about his knowledge especially his knowledge of 'ilm rijal'. He once said if there are 1 or 2 ilme rijal expert in Qum then he is one of them.

He must have said this after I left.

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Re: Ayatollah Qazvini reads the Quran verses upside down
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2015, 01:48:10 AM »
He must have said this after I left.

haha, just noticed your comment.
در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

عطار نِیشابوری

Ebn Hussein

Re: Ayatollah Qazvini reads the Quran verses upside down
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2015, 02:39:25 AM »
Brother Lotfilms always seems to have a soft spot for these laughing stocks who are being referred to as Ayatullats. He says that everyone makes mistakes, yet he misses the bigger picture. it's not about some mistakes, a Fatha, or Dhammah, Ayatullats are known to distort complete VERSES, even the donkey Al-Khabith:



Be more sincere bro, nobody humiliates the Rafidah, they are already the most humiliated nation, in particularly their top Ayatullats who don't know no Makharij, nothing. Even your Khabith prayer video is weak. He recites the Qur'an as if he's reading a newspaper, no tarteel, nothing.
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

Ebn Hussein

Re: Ayatollah Qazvini reads the Quran verses upside down
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2015, 02:49:57 AM »


By the way, he is that ayatula who complained about many hawza student had doubt about shiaism after al haramain visit right?

Yes. It's that Zindeeq. And to further prove that nobody is obsessed with finding faults in the most humiliated nation of earth, which is the Rafidi nation. Just watch these, these are not some small mistakes that everyone does, even the Imams of Makkah and Madinah, this is literally a disaster, no makharij, nothing, he even makes up new verses. Qazvini (the Iranian one not the Iraqi) has become the laughing stock on all Persian Sunni TV channels:



That's a miracle of Allah (Ayatollah) reciting ... wallahi nobody humiliates them but themselves. As for Haydari. No, lotfilms, you can't prove that he can give hours of lectures without making a mistake in his recitation, this is because he is an Ayatullat after all, they have nothing to do with the correct recitation of the Qur'an (nor it's meaning, since they are batinis depending on kufri tafasir):



It's just a plain reality that ironically those who are known as the signs of Allah can't read and memorise the book of Allah (exceptions only prove the asl ...), this is a curse from Allah for the lies they attributed to Islam and Ahl Al-Bayt.
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

MuslimAnswers

Re: Ayatollah Qazvini reads the Quran verses upside down
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2015, 05:28:01 AM »
^

Even if our Sunni scholars make mistakes in recitation, this is not such a big issue in comparison to the Shia Marja's, because each one of the Marja's supposes himself as a type of Mujtahid Mutlaq like Imam Maalik or Imam Ash-Shafii, who can deduce rulings directly from the sources given his huge knowledge. But how can one deduce something if he cannot get past one line of the Quran without making all these mistakes?

Mind you, in the case of such a Mujtahid, his verbal recitation is authoritative even beyond the text [since the text has to be taught to be read by a teacher] but again: It seems these Marja's are simply unable to pronounce Arabic letters properly no matter what they try (unless if they have some proof that Arabic should actually be pronounced like this, which I believe will be difficult to present). What we would do is write down what they say, and try to see if it can be reconciled to anything we can call Quran.

So I say, this angle should not be left alone, it is a major issue of how such Ayatullahs would be trusted with carrying the religion and directly deducing the rulings of the religion, since their claims are above and beyond what any Sunni scholar makes today anyway.

Hadrami

Re: Ayatollah Qazvini reads the Quran verses upside down
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2015, 07:47:59 AM »
it is a curse for them who love to curse the sahaba who have passed on al-Qur'an to us.
My 7yr old son frowned when he heard ayatola reciting alFatiha. In his own word that i cant forget "thats the weirdest quran reader ever". Many little sunni kid can easily humiliate those ayatola.

Bolani Muslim

Re: Ayatollah Qazvini reads the Quran verses upside down
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2015, 01:15:17 AM »
The reading of Shia Scholars of Quran is quite sad. The local Shia Mullah went to Howza for ~8 years, yet I (who learned basic tajweed in a Sunni masjid for only 3 months) can catch him making regular mistakes (like no ghunna, forgetting qarqala).

 

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