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Sunni Shia Discussion Forum => Quran-Tafseer => Topic started by: MuslimK on August 03, 2014, 11:41:50 PM
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This is Ayatollah Qazvini, manager of Velayat tv. He often boasts about his knowledge especially his knowledge of 'ilm rijal'. He once said if there are 1 or 2 ilme rijal expert in Qum then he is one of them.
Anyways, watch how he reads the verse of the Quran:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=522464291232883 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=522464291232883)
Edit: Don't know why it is not embedding the video.
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That is really sad. Dont you need to pass some sort of test to be called ayatula? Wasnt he the one recorded on video saying many hawza students had doubts about shia belief after debates during visit to al haramain?
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UmareBinKhattab, you know what to do bro! Make a new video compilation of Ayatullas reading Qur'an!
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UmareBinKhattab, you know what to do bro! Make a new video compilation of Ayatullas reading Qur'an!
he has one already
MMuXw
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None of you guys have messed up quoting an ayah before?
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None of you guys have messed up quoting an ayah before?
I'm actually commenting about his recitation, not the order. I've heard a 50 yr old afghani sunni recite with that similar thick accent, it's painful to hear, but he's layman not some famous sunni scholar. See that youtube video, he's not the only one. Id be embarrased if i were you knowing my famous scholars recite like that. Do you think their recitation are acceptable?
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بسم الله الرحمن الرحیم
اسلام علیکم
None of you guys have messed up quoting an ayah before?
Brother, I agree with you, we are humans and make mistakes. However, this is not the first time this Ayatollah is reading the verses wrongly. There are many other videos of him mixing the verses when he attempts to read them in his anti-Sunni shows.
I'm actually commenting about his recitation, not the order. Don't you think the recitation is bad & embarassing? Aren't there any test before someone can become an ayatula? My 6yr old son can recite better than that alhamdulillah.
You mean Qazvini? His recitation seems to be fine, just the order is messed up :). But I agree with you about most of their Ayatollahs reciting the Quran as if they are reading it for the first time. This is because they, and all other misguided sects, spend less time with the Quran.
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None of you guys have messed up quoting an ayah before?
Why is it that big Shia scholars seem to mess up a lot more than Sunni scholars to the extent that they've become very famous for it? Thus these types of videos started popping up. Do you see Salafis quoting Sufi scholars making mistakes in recitation? Do you see Sufis quoting Salafi scholars making mistakes in recitation? Do Madkhalis quote Ikhwani scholars making mistake in recitation? etc..etc... I hope it's clear.
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You mean Qazvini? His recitation seems to be fine, just the order is messed up :). But I agree with you about most of their Ayatollahs reciting the Quran as if they are reading it for the first time. This is because they, and all other misguided sects, spend less time with the Quran.
You're being too nice bro, for someone who suppose to be a scholar, that is not a fine recitation even if he didn't stuff up the order. I can hear his thick accent particularly when he recite جزاءبما. A good teacher would've told him to repeat that part and recite it properly.
By the way, he is that ayatula who complained about many hawza student had doubt about shiaism after al haramain visit right?
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Why is it that big Shia scholars seem to mess up a lot more than Sunni scholars to the extent that they've become very famous for it? Thus these types of videos started popping up. Do you see Salafis quoting Sufi scholars making mistakes in recitation? Do you see Sufis quoting Salafi scholars making mistakes in recitation? Do Madkhalis quote Ikhwani scholars making mistake in recitation? etc..etc... I hope it's clear.
It probably just seems that way because there's particular obsession with finding faults with Shias and humiliating them
i watch hours upon hours upon hours of Salafi lectures and duroos from scholars who have not only memorized the Quran with itqaan masha'Allah but also many poems, if not the mu'allaqaat and yet i hear mistakes from time to time.
As it's said:
جلّ من لا يخطئ
i could probably combine a video of al-Haidary and other Shia scholars quoting hundreds of ayahs from memory without mistakes
However as for Hadhrami's question, no the recitation (the pronunciation of the words) that we generally see from some top Shia scholars is not appropriate for a scholar or even a person who reads and listens to the Quran a lot. This really needs to be improved.
But interestingly enough, many of the lower-level shaykhs recite just fine, like al-Habib:
But yea improving reading and understanding the Quran is a big must
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Can you guys make the editing time a bit longer? lol i want to delete the Yasir al-Habib part
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Can you guys make the editing time a bit longer? lol i want to delete the Yasir al-Habib part
Delete the youtube clip?
About the shia scholars mistake, i think its a case of there are no mistake such as reading a simple ayat done by sunni scholars. What happen there is not normal. Its not just a mistake but the high frequency of those mistakes. I mean just look at the recitation videos, those big famous ayatulla wont even got in to tilawah quran conpetition. Even a sunni primary school competition.
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Delete the youtube clip?
The brother meant he wanted to edit his post but it was too late.
I suggest the edit time should be increased to at least 5-10 hours.
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This is Ayatollah Qazvini, manager of Velayat tv. He often boasts about his knowledge especially his knowledge of 'ilm rijal'. He once said if there are 1 or 2 ilme rijal expert in Qum then he is one of them.
He must have said this after I left.
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He must have said this after I left.
haha, just noticed your comment.
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Brother Lotfilms always seems to have a soft spot for these laughing stocks who are being referred to as Ayatullats. He says that everyone makes mistakes, yet he misses the bigger picture. it's not about some mistakes, a Fatha, or Dhammah, Ayatullats are known to distort complete VERSES, even the donkey Al-Khabith:
Be more sincere bro, nobody humiliates the Rafidah, they are already the most humiliated nation, in particularly their top Ayatullats who don't know no Makharij, nothing. Even your Khabith prayer video is weak. He recites the Qur'an as if he's reading a newspaper, no tarteel, nothing.
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By the way, he is that ayatula who complained about many hawza student had doubt about shiaism after al haramain visit right?
Yes. It's that Zindeeq. And to further prove that nobody is obsessed with finding faults in the most humiliated nation of earth, which is the Rafidi nation. Just watch these, these are not some small mistakes that everyone does, even the Imams of Makkah and Madinah, this is literally a disaster, no makharij, nothing, he even makes up new verses. Qazvini (the Iranian one not the Iraqi) has become the laughing stock on all Persian Sunni TV channels:
That's a miracle of Allah (Ayatollah) reciting ... wallahi nobody humiliates them but themselves. As for Haydari. No, lotfilms, you can't prove that he can give hours of lectures without making a mistake in his recitation, this is because he is an Ayatullat after all, they have nothing to do with the correct recitation of the Qur'an (nor it's meaning, since they are batinis depending on kufri tafasir):
It's just a plain reality that ironically those who are known as the signs of Allah can't read and memorise the book of Allah (exceptions only prove the asl ...), this is a curse from Allah for the lies they attributed to Islam and Ahl Al-Bayt.
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Even if our Sunni scholars make mistakes in recitation, this is not such a big issue in comparison to the Shia Marja's, because each one of the Marja's supposes himself as a type of Mujtahid Mutlaq like Imam Maalik or Imam Ash-Shafii, who can deduce rulings directly from the sources given his huge knowledge. But how can one deduce something if he cannot get past one line of the Quran without making all these mistakes?
Mind you, in the case of such a Mujtahid, his verbal recitation is authoritative even beyond the text [since the text has to be taught to be read by a teacher] but again: It seems these Marja's are simply unable to pronounce Arabic letters properly no matter what they try (unless if they have some proof that Arabic should actually be pronounced like this, which I believe will be difficult to present). What we would do is write down what they say, and try to see if it can be reconciled to anything we can call Quran.
So I say, this angle should not be left alone, it is a major issue of how such Ayatullahs would be trusted with carrying the religion and directly deducing the rulings of the religion, since their claims are above and beyond what any Sunni scholar makes today anyway.
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it is a curse for them who love to curse the sahaba who have passed on al-Qur'an to us.
My 7yr old son frowned when he heard ayatola reciting alFatiha. In his own word that i cant forget "thats the weirdest quran reader ever". Many little sunni kid can easily humiliate those ayatola.
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The reading of Shia Scholars of Quran is quite sad. The local Shia Mullah went to Howza for ~8 years, yet I (who learned basic tajweed in a Sunni masjid for only 3 months) can catch him making regular mistakes (like no ghunna, forgetting qarqala).
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The reading of Shia Scholars of Quran is quite sad. The local Shia Mullah went to Howza for ~8 years, yet I (who learned basic tajweed in a Sunni masjid for only 3 months) can catch him making regular mistakes (like no ghunna, forgetting qarqala).
if its just another mullah or random imam or unqualified imam at a local mushalla/masjid then its not as bad. Those ayatola which Muslimanswers rightly explained are like a madhab on their own. That is soooo bad when you consider that.
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Akhi the funniest (and saddest) part is that their sheep of followers actually believe that these living corpses who literally can't recite a single verse of the Fatiha by heart are actual holy and knowledgable 'Alims of the religion of Islam (Ayaatullah = signs/miracles of Allah!), LOL. Wallahi Masakeen, Allah yahdihim, bas.
PS. In Iranian Shia culture every hafidh is regarded as a world wonder, and the reason why is because huffaadh are so rare among them. In Sunni culture such as in Somalia, Arabia, Bangladesh, ever second baker is a Hadidh. So nobody says that the Rafidah have no Huffadh or nobody who can recite the Qur'an correctly, but as it is said: Exceptions confirm the rule. Look at this Dajjal and children-mass-murderer (Bashar) supporting Tyrant, Ali Khamenei. He is the deputy of their Imam Sahib Al-Serdab, yet he doesn't even know the Surah by heart that he recites on Jumu'ah (Khamenei and many Shia Mullahs normally recite Surah Al-Jumu'ah on Jumu'ahs/Fridays). In his mini serdab (basement) he has to look at a massive Mushaf infront of him. What a joke of a clergy.
(http://forum.twelvershia.net/quran-tafseer/ayatollah-qazvini-reads-the-quran-verses-upside-down/?action=dlattach;attach=564)
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hahahaha they cursed banu umaya day and night, but still need help from mushaf commissioned by a leader from banu umaya. Shia is truly a humiliated species :D
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Am yet to hear of a hafidul Quran shia...
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Am yet to hear of a hafidul Quran shia...
I think they have for shia kids as they are still relatively untainted, but not from any of their grand ayatola as there are too much shiaism filth in them.
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Am yet to hear of a hafidul Quran shia...
Baarakallah feek but I think it's native to even suggest that the Rawafid might have no Huffadh (It's not an attack on you, brother). Why shouldn't they? Many of them genuily love the Qur'an but are drown in khurafat and kufriyat. Hifdh became a hobby (to very few) of them. In Iran every hafidh is treated like a world wonder, whereas Huffadh in many (if not most) Sunni countries number MILLIONS. I teach non-Arab children the Qur'an, wallahil-Adhim every single of them knows better tawjeed and hifdh than the hundreds of Shia scholars I've met and seen. And as I said before in regards to Shias who might know the Qur'an (or large parts of it) by heart:
So nobody says that the Rafidah have no Huffadh or nobody who can recite the Qur'an correctly, but as it is said: Exceptions confirm the rule.
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those are only layman or low level ranking scholars right? Im sure none of their grand ayatola is a hafidh, otherwise you will see it 24hrs a day everywhere :D
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those are only layman or low level ranking scholars right?
Exactly. I've seen very few tyre-heads with correct tajweed (even some Huffadh). But they are extremely rare and guess what, they are all influenced by Sunnis, this is why every single Shia Qari in Iran (or Afghanistan) is a huge fan of the late Abdul-Basit Abdul-Samit. His recordings are still played on Iranian state radio and TV. basically the Imams of the Rawafidh when it comes to Qira'at are Sunnis! Besides, the whole thing (giving some importance to the Qur'an) started with Khamenei who uses it as an excellent tool to:
1) Polish the image of the Rafidah who are known as a sect that wrote entire books regarding the belief (and support) of tahreef Al Qur'an
2) It attracts tens of thousand of Sunnis each year to year in several Qur'an competitation events.
before Khamenei and in their history Qur'an has barely any practical status among Rawafid, this is why you see to this very day their scholars being ignorant of the Qur'an, makharij, tilawah and everything that is related to it.
Im sure none of their grand ayatola is a hafidh, otherwise you will see it 24hrs a day everywhere :D
Akhi, there are videos out there from Ayatullat Al Haidari who resides in Qum himself. He explains how insignificant Qur'an is in their circles, and how they don't teach much tafsir, let alone 3ilm of tajweed etc.
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Why is it that big Shia scholars seem to mess up a lot more than Sunni scholars to the extent that they've become very famous for it? Thus these types of videos started popping up. Do you see Salafis quoting Sufi scholars making mistakes in recitation? Do you see Sufis quoting Salafi scholars making mistakes in recitation? Do Madkhalis quote Ikhwani scholars making mistake in recitation? etc..etc... I hope it's clear.
It probably just seems that way because there's particular obsession with finding faults with Shias and humiliating them
i watch hours upon hours upon hours of Salafi lectures and duroos from scholars who have not only memorized the Quran with itqaan masha'Allah but also many poems, if not the mu'allaqaat and yet i hear mistakes from time to time.
As it's said:
جلّ من لا يخطئ
i could probably combine a video of al-Haidary and other Shia scholars quoting hundreds of ayahs from memory without mistakes
However as for Hadhrami's question, no the recitation (the pronunciation of the words) that we generally see from some top Shia scholars is not appropriate for a scholar or even a person who reads and listens to the Quran a lot. This really needs to be improved.
But interestingly enough, many of the lower-level shaykhs recite just fine, like al-Habib:
But yea improving reading and understanding the Quran is a big must
Salam, r u shia brother?