Al-Khoei implies the Qur'an is Useless

[Farid]

Alsalam alaykum,



In this gem of a quote by Al-Khoei, we find him saying that the recitations are not reliable. This includes the ten famous recitations of course. A-Khoei also claims that the Qur'an has not been tampered with and that the Qur'an we have today was collected by the Prophet peace be upon him himself.

So, what does this mean? It means that the diactrical marks and tashkeel of the verses are not reliable and that only the rasm (drawings of letters) are acceptable to him.

He states that it is incorrect to take rulings from recitations, which means that we cannot take ruligs from the Qur'an, since it has only reached us through recitations.

So to Al-Khoei, the Qur'an is useless as a base for religious rulings. Except for what was explained by the Imams.

Discuss.

[Al Dukhan]

Walaikum assalaam wa rahmatullah.
I had said this thing on their forum too, that their Quran is too hidden in cave ! Then how can they prove imamah and follow Islam and can claim themselves muslims !
Its their headache let them prove all these matters. Alhamdulillah we have Quran.

[Hadrami]

wa alaikum salam warahmatullahi wabarakatuh

Even without their scholars confirming this, if Shia want to be 100% consistent with their belief, then they should say al-Qur'an is useless, because

1. Its collected by bad people
2. Only infallibles can explain its true content

Anyone know any other reason?

[Hani]

Salam,

Brilliant catch and anyone who dives into their scholarly circles knows the low status of the Qur'anic text in their eyes.

Also could u remind us of the name of his book? What's the page n volume of this quote?

Translation of the above:

[The truth is that these recitations hold no weight, they cannot be used to derive a religious ruling.]


(Also is that a shocked face u drew next to the quote!?)

[Hani]

If you add more emphasis on this topic (As in write more details and explanations even if mundane) I can upload it as an article on the website or include it in this larger book on Shia and Quran:
http://twelvershia.net/2013/04/05/the-fractious-schizophrenia-discussing-the-reality-of-the-crisis-between-the-shia-scholars-and-the-quran/

[Al Dukhan]

One can use their sight, look how brother is genius ! MashaAllah, i appreciate the kind of aql. SubhanAllah gr8 work :-)

[matpau_83]

isnt he the one who wrote tafsir burhan or something like that. I think i heard somewhere than nakswhawni recommended this tafsir by khoei because it explain the allegation of tahrif in shia past scholar to be otherwise and that the sunni itself in their own narration believe in tahrif..

[Farid]

As the brother above me said, this is from Al Bayan fi Tafseer Al Quran by Al Khoei.

P. 164 third edition Al-A'alami publishing.

[lotfilms]

Alsalam alaykum,

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He states that it is incorrect to take rulings from recitations, which means that we cannot take ruligs from the Qur'an, since it has only reached us through recitations.

وعليكم السلام
Unless he just means the places where the recitations differ?

[Farid]

^ There is no indication of this in his words. He makes it very clear that they are not a hujjah.

[MuslimAnswers]

Salam

^ There is no indication of thid in his words. He makes it very clear that they are not a hujjah.

It would be good if some more clarification is given. Al-Khoei seems to be talking about recitations other than Hafs cannot be used as proof since they are not certain knowledge [but he says he will explain about this, so maybe some more of his sayings related to this can be given [i.e. that he is not referring to rare non-Mutawaatir recitations only]?]

[Farid]

^ Both Hafs and Asim are weakened by him as well. He has a chapter on their weakness and unreliability. (See p. 130-132)

There is no doubt that Khoei is talking about ALL recitations.