Interconnection of all themes in Quran about the Succession.

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Interconnection of all themes in Quran about the Succession.
« on: October 03, 2017, 06:51:39 PM »

There are themes in Quran, and there some verses that connect these themes, they are like uniters or interconnectors of these themes.

With reflection, everything in Islam becomes clear, without reflection innovations and ambiguities are mixed with clear insights and proofs.

The aim of the thread different than the one explaining Imamate with respect to flow in Quran, is to interconnect themes.

Sometimes a verse is so clear, and context is clear enough, but obviously, people don't accept what it says. Sometimes so many verses are like that, and people don't accept what they say.

But if we look at a whole theme going on and on top of that, a feature Quran to connect all themes, and unite the themes to be showing Quran is saying the same thing in all these themes but from different angles, perhaps people will see it.

They will see how clear this issue is.

Love of the family of Yaseen is the light of the heavens and the earth.


Re: Interconnection of all themes in Quran about the Succession.
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2017, 03:54:37 AM »
The theme of witness:

[4.41] How will it be, then, when We bring from every people a witness and bring you as a witness against these?

[16.84] And on the day when We will raise up a witness out of every people, then shall no permission be given to those who disbelieve, nor shall they be made to solicit favor

[40:51] Most surely We help Our messengers, and those who believe, in this world’s life and on the day when the witnesses shall stand.

[16:89] And on the day when We will raise up in every people a witness against them from among themselves, and bring you as a witness against these.

[5:117] And I was a witness over them while I lived among them

[39:69] And the earth shineth with the light of her Lord, and the Book is set up, and the prophets and the witnesses are brought, and it is judged between them with truth, and they are not wronged.

[4:69] And whoever obeys Allah and the Messenger, these are with those upon whom Allah has bestowed favors from among the prophets and the truthful and the witnesses and the good, and a goodly company are they!

[11:17] Is he then who has with him clear proof from his Lord, and a witness from him recites it and before it (is) the Book of Musa, a guide and a mercy? These believe in it; and whoever of the (different) parties disbelieves in it, the Fire will be their promised meeting-place. Be not then in doubt thereon: surely it is the truth from your Lord, but most men do not believe.

[Shakir 11:18] And who is more unjust than he who forges a lie against Allah? These shall be brought before their Lord, and the witnesses shall say: These are they who lied against their Lord. Now surely the curse of Allah is on the unjust.

As we see there is a heavy emphasis on witnesses in Quran.  These witnesses will know who lied against God for example. Jesus however was only a witness so long as he was among the people.

We see this even a role that the Nabi is emphasized to have:

[33:45] O Prophet! surely We have sent you as a witness, and as a bearer of good news and as a warner,

They know who forged lies but how?  This is such an important subject in Quran that has been repeated over and over again with respect many topics in Surahs.

There is verses that show the witness is a leader.

[17:71] The day when We will call every people with their leader so whoever is given his book in his right hand, these shall read their book; and they shall not be dealt with a whit unjustly.

And that is linked to:

[50:21] And every soul shall come, with it a driver and a witness.

The word driver and witness is linked:

[11:41] And he said: Embark in it for by the name of God is its sailing and its anchoring; most surely my Lord is Forgiving, Merciful.

Which is interlinked with:

[5:12] And certainly Allah made a covenant with the children of Israel, and We raised up from them twelve captains; and God said: Surely I am with you; if you keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and believe in My messengers and assist them and offer to God a goodly gift, I will most certainly cover your evil deeds, and I will most certainly cause you to enter into gardens beneath which rivers flow, but whoever disbelieves from among you after that, he indeed shall lose the right way.

The drivers and captains of the ships of salvation is linked to many verses that talk about the history of humanity that talk about how God is worshiped sincerely in tribulations when on the ship but when the ship brings them to a land of safety people begin to rebel against the favor of God and associate with him.

Before getting into that theme, let us also connect the issue with something else:

[21:73] And We made them leaders who guided (people) by Our command, and We revealed to them the doing of good and the keeping up of prayer and the giving of the alms, and Us (alone) did they worship/serve;

The command of God and name of God is not two different things, and so this unites with:

And thus have We revealed to/inspired in you a Spirit of Our command. You knew not what the Scripture was, nor what the Faith but rather We have made it a light whereby We guide whom We will of Our servants and indeed you guide unto a straight path.

And said:

[58:22] You shall not find a people who believe in Allah and the latter day befriending those who act in opposition to Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their (own) fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their kinsfolk; these are they into whose hearts He has impressed faith, and whom He has strengthened with a spirit from Him: and He will cause them to enter gardens beneath which rivers flow, abiding therein; Allah is well-pleased with them and they are well-pleased with Him these are Allah's party: now surely the party of Allah are the successful ones.

يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لَا تَغْلُوا فِي دِينِكُمْ وَلَا تَقُولُوا عَلَى اللَّهِ إِلَّا الْحَقَّ ۚ إِنَّمَا الْمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُ أَلْقَاهَا إِلَىٰ مَرْيَمَ وَرُوحٌ مِنْهُ ۖ فَآمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ ۖ وَلَا تَقُولُوا ثَلَاثَةٌ ۚ انْتَهُوا خَيْرًا لَكُمْ ۚ إِنَّمَا اللَّهُ إِلَٰهٌ وَاحِدٌ ۖ سُبْحَانَهُ أَنْ يَكُونَ لَهُ وَلَدٌ ۘ لَهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ ۗ وَكَفَىٰ بِاللَّهِ وَكِيلًا {171}
[4:171] O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only a messenger of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His messengers, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one Allah; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.

And what does it mean to be a leader but to be the spirit that he aides believers by which links with whole theme of Wali/helper/guide role of the witness, which I will get into later.

Now before getting into this, let us go back to the issue of leader who in the essence is God's Command and Name:

وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الرُّوحِ ۖ قُلِ الرُّوحُ مِنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّي وَمَا أُوتِيتُمْ مِنَ الْعِلْمِ إِلَّا قَلِيلًا {85}
[17:85] And they ask you about the spirit. Say: The spirit is from the command of my Lord, and you are not given aught of knowledge but a little.

So we see the leader is the holder of the station of the name of God, and holds the Spirit of God's command that by which God helps and aides believers by, and is the witness of the people of time.

This is clear so far,  what we have also see something to do with Twelve of these leaders who succeeded a founding driver and captain, mainly Moses.

Now aside from this, is how it links with the issue of "way/course".

Abraham is emphasized to be a way/


إِنَّ إِبْرَاهِيمَ كَانَ أُمَّةً قَانِتًا لِلَّهِ حَنِيفًا وَلَمْ يَكُ مِنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ

[16:120] Surely Ibrahim was a course, obedient to Allah, upright, and he was not of the polytheists.

And we see the course people were on was a crash course from following their forefathers:

[42:22]Nay! they say: We found our fathers on a course, and surely we are guided by their footsteps.
[42:23]And thus, We did not send before you any warner in a town, but those who led easy lives in it said: Surely we found our fathers on a course, and surely we are followers of their footsteps.

And there is emphasis that all the Prophets were one course:

[23:51] And surely this is your course one course and I am your Lord, therefore be careful (of your duty) to Me.

But then we see that from the people Moses was a course:

[7:159] And from the people of Moses was a way whom guided by the truth and by it they established justice.
[7:160]And We divided them into twelve asbat, ways; and We revealed to Moses when his people asked him for water: Strike the rock with your staff, so sprang from it twelve springs; each tribe knew its drinking place; and We made the clouds to give shade over them and We sent to them manna and quails: Eat of the good things We have given you. And they did not do Us any harm, but they did injustice to their own souls.

So although they are all one way from one angle, the successors are also different ways because they succeeded different founders, and individual each of them is a way, and we split them into twelve descendants, ways.

Next is the link with Asbat, from a Sunni site:

Narrated by Ya’la Ibn Murrah (Radi Allahu Anhu), The Messenger of Allah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: “Husain is from me, and I am from Husain. Allah loves whosoever loves Husain. Husain is a Sibt among the Asbat.”[Sibt first means Grandson and Asbat here will refer to many tribes i.e. he will have many offspring].

Reference: Jami At-Tirmidhi in Merits of Al-Hassan and Hussain, Hadith 4144. This Hadith has been declared Hasan (fair).


Husayn is from me and I am from Husayn. Allah loves him who loves Husayn. Husayn is one of the al-Asbat.

Mustadrak, Vol. 3, p. 177

Both al-Hakim and al-Dhahabi have declared it sahih.

Now we see Quran also emphasize:

Sahih International: Say, "We have believed in Allah and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him."

Verse 3:84.

The word descendants is important because Quran shows they in fact root back:

[3:33-34] God chose Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of Imran over the worlds. Offspring, some of it from some, indeed he is hearing knowing.

So what does exactly mean to descend, although Prophets had physical offspring, what was really meant was their spiritual descendants:

[37:77] And We made his offspring those who remain.

And we know it's the face of God that remains, and everything else disappears.

Thus the true Asbat, where those who descended from the light of Abraham, Lut, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, like Joseph.

Likewise, although descendants can be translated and it can be they rooted back to a single grandfather, that would be superfluous as all of Bani-Israel linked back to Yaqoub (a single grandfather), what it really is pointing to is they were inheriting the blessings and guidance of Moses, who was their root, even though Aaron is referred to as his bother.

Will get into more detail of the themes of Ahlulbayts, ships, the days of God, etc..
Love of the family of Yaseen is the light of the heavens and the earth.


Re: Interconnection of all themes in Quran about the Succession.
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2017, 05:33:14 PM »

We saw how the witnesses were the drivers and leaders and captains.

Another interlink is God doesn't stop at that, but advises humanity they are the true kings.

One of the instances we see of this:

[2:246] Have you not considered the chiefs of the children of Israel after Musa, when they said to a prophet of theirs: Raise up for us a king, (that) we may fight in the way of Allah. He said: May it not be that you would not fight if fighting is ordained for you? They said: And what reason have we that we should not fight in the way of Allah, and we have indeed been compelled to abandon our homes and our children. But when fighting was ordained for them, they turned back, except a few of them, and Allah knows the unjust.
وَقَالَ لَهُمْ نَبِيُّهُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ قَدْ بَعَثَ لَكُمْ طَالُوتَ مَلِكًا ۚ قَالُوا أَنَّىٰ يَكُونُ لَهُ الْمُلْكُ عَلَيْنَا وَنَحْنُ أَحَقُّ بِالْمُلْكِ مِنْهُ وَلَمْ يُؤْتَ سَعَةً مِنَ الْمَالِ ۚ قَالَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ اصْطَفَاهُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَزَادَهُ بَسْطَةً فِي الْعِلْمِ وَالْجِسْمِ ۖ وَاللَّهُ يُؤْتِي مُلْكَهُ مَنْ يَشَاءُ ۚ وَاللَّهُ وَاسِعٌ عَلِيمٌ {247}
[2:247] And their prophet said to them: Surely Allah has raised Talut to be a king over you. They said: How can he hold kingship over us while we have a greater right to kingship than he, and he has not been granted an abundance of wealth? He said: Surely Allah has chosen him in preference to you, and He has increased him abundantly in knowledge and physique, and Allah grants His authority to whom He pleases, and Allah is Amplegiving, Knowing.
وَقَالَ لَهُمْ نَبِيُّهُمْ إِنَّ آيَةَ مُلْكِهِ أَنْ يَأْتِيَكُمُ التَّابُوتُ فِيهِ سَكِينَةٌ مِنْ رَبِّكُمْ وَبَقِيَّةٌ مِمَّا تَرَكَ آلُ مُوسَىٰ وَآلُ هَارُونَ تَحْمِلُهُ الْمَلَائِكَةُ ۚ إِنَّ فِي ذَٰلِكَ لَآيَةً لَكُمْ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ مُؤْمِنِينَ {248}
[2:248] And the prophet said to them: Surely the sign of His authority is, that there shall come to you the chest in which there is tranquillity from your Lord and residue of the relics of what the family of Musa and the family of Haroun has left, the angels bearing it; most surely there is a sign in this for those who believe.
فَلَمَّا فَصَلَ طَالُوتُ بِالْجُنُودِ قَالَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ مُبْتَلِيكُمْ بِنَهَرٍ فَمَنْ شَرِبَ مِنْهُ فَلَيْسَ مِنِّي وَمَنْ لَمْ يَطْعَمْهُ فَإِنَّهُ مِنِّي إِلَّا مَنِ اغْتَرَفَ غُرْفَةً بِيَدِهِ ۚ فَشَرِبُوا مِنْهُ إِلَّا قَلِيلًا مِنْهُمْ ۚ فَلَمَّا جَاوَزَهُ هُوَ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا مَعَهُ قَالُوا لَا طَاقَةَ لَنَا الْيَوْمَ بِجَالُوتَ وَجُنُودِهِ ۚ قَالَ الَّذِينَ يَظُنُّونَ أَنَّهُمْ مُلَاقُو اللَّهِ كَمْ مِنْ فِئَةٍ قَلِيلَةٍ غَلَبَتْ فِئَةً كَثِيرَةً بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ ۗ وَاللَّهُ مَعَ الصَّابِرِينَ {249}
[2:249] So when Talut departed with the forces, he said: Surely Allah will try you with a river; whoever then drinks from it, he is not of me, and whoever does not taste of it, he is surely of me, except he who takes with his hand as much of it as fills the hand; but with the exception of a few of them they drank from it. So when he had crossed it, he and those who believed with him, they said: We have today no power against Jalut and his forces. Those who were sure that they would meet their Lord said: How often has a small party vanquished a numerous host by Allah's permission, and Allah is with the patient.

First we see the chiefs that Bani-Israel were following were astray themselves. 

And if you reflect over what their Prophet told them, it proves that all Prophets are true Kings who God has given his authority to. 

The next thing to notice is that the family of Moses and the family of Aaron is termed one family by the single taraka, and that they had the proof of divine authority from God which Talut was inheriting now.

And we see in Suratal Auli-Imran:

[3:26] Say: O Allah, Master of the Authority! You give the authority to whomsoever you wish and take away the authority from whomsoever you wish, and you honor who you wish and disgrace who you wish, by your hands is good, indeed you have power over all things.

And indeed this is the favor alluded to in Suratal Fatiha, as God has bestowed favor both on misguided and who's wrath is upon, the favor refers to particular one alluded to in Quran:

أَمْ لَهُمْ نَصِيبٌ مِنَ الْمُلْكِ فَإِذًا لَا يُؤْتُونَ النَّاسَ نَقِيرًا {53}
[4:53] Or have they a share in the authority? But then they would not give to people even the speck in the date stone.
أَمْ يَحْسُدُونَ النَّاسَ عَلَىٰ مَا آتَاهُمُ اللَّهُ مِنْ فَضْلِهِ ۖ فَقَدْ آتَيْنَا آلَ إِبْرَاهِيمَ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحِكْمَةَ وَآتَيْنَاهُمْ مُلْكًا عَظِيمًا {54}
[4:54] Or do they envy the people for what Allah has given them of His grace? So indeed We have given to family of Abraham the Book and the wisdom, and We have given them a great authority.

Meaning those who you truly favored with Authority and we see this a theme in Quran:

[4:113] And were it not for Allah's grace upon you and His mercy a party of them had certainly designed to bring you to perdition and they do not bring (aught) to perdition but their own souls, and they shall not harm you in any way, and Allah has revealed to you the Book and the wisdom, and He has taught you what you did not know, and Allah's grace on you is very great.

وَمَنْ يُطِعِ اللَّهَ وَالرَّسُولَ فَأُولَٰئِكَ مَعَ الَّذِينَ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِمْ مِنَ النَّبِيِّينَ وَالصِّدِّيقِينَ وَالشُّهَدَاءِ وَالصَّالِحِينَ ۚ وَحَسُنَ أُولَٰئِكَ رَفِيقًا {69}
[4:69] And whoever obeys Allah and the Messenger, these are with those upon whom Allah has favored from among the prophets and the truthful and the witness and the righteous, and a goodly company are they!

So we see God wants us to be with those God has favored.

And regarding Moses and Aaron:

قَالَ رَجُلَانِ مِنَ الَّذِينَ يَخَافُونَ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِمَا ادْخُلُوا عَلَيْهِمُ الْبَابَ فَإِذَا دَخَلْتُمُوهُ فَإِنَّكُمْ غَالِبُونَ ۚ وَعَلَى اللَّهِ فَتَوَكَّلُوا إِنْ كُنْتُمْ مُؤْمِنِينَ {23}
[5:23] Two men of those who feared, upon both of whom Allah had bestowed a favor, said: Enter upon them by the gate, for when you have entered it you shall surely be victorious, and on Allah should you rely if you are believers.

أُولَٰئِكَ الَّذِينَ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِمْ مِنَ النَّبِيِّينَ مِنْ ذُرِّيَّةِ آدَمَ وَمِمَّنْ حَمَلْنَا مَعَ نُوحٍ وَمِنْ ذُرِّيَّةِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَإِسْرَائِيلَ وَمِمَّنْ هَدَيْنَا وَاجْتَبَيْنَا ۚ إِذَا تُتْلَىٰ عَلَيْهِمْ آيَاتُ الرَّحْمَٰنِ خَرُّوا سُجَّدًا وَبُكِيًّا ۩ {58}
[19:58] These are they on whom Allah bestowed favor, from among the prophets of the seed of Adam, and of those whom We carried with Nuh, and of the seed of Ibrahim and Israel, and of those whom We guided and chose; when the signs of the Compassionate were recited to them, they fell down in prostration and weeping.

The theme of God's grace and favor on his chosen ones is through out Quran, and it becomes obvious the favored ones we pray to be guided towards or upon their path, is chosen ones.

And we will see that this favor although particular to them, is how God has graced humanity, that by favoring them with Authority and leadership, he has extended his rope and handhold to humanity thereby through his chosen ones favoring humanity, and has become sufficient as a Guide and Helper to humanity, the true King, the True God, Lord of the worlds.

We will soon see this theme in Quran and then we will see the link with the gratitude towards God's Authority and Affair with humanity and the chosen household of time, then we will see the wage in light of that.

With peace.

Love of the family of Yaseen is the light of the heavens and the earth.


Re: Interconnection of all themes in Quran about the Succession.
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2017, 06:07:51 PM »

The grace upon God upon Abraham or Zakariya in giving them chosen offspring, is in fact, a favor on humanity:

[11:73] They said: Do you wonder at Allah's Affair/Command/Authority? The mercy of Allah and His blessings are on you, O people of the house, surely He is Praised, Glorious.

In fact, this goes back the prayer we were taught by the Prophet:

"O God bless Mohammad and the family of Mohammad just as you blessed Abraham and the family of Abraham indeed you are Praised, Majestic".

And this verse is seen in light that Abraham and Sarah were given good news of Isaac and after Isaac, Jacob.

And we see in the favor theme:

وَكَذَٰلِكَ يَجْتَبِيكَ رَبُّكَ وَيُعَلِّمُكَ مِنْ تَأْوِيلِ الْأَحَادِيثِ وَيُتِمُّ نِعْمَتَهُ عَلَيْكَ وَعَلَىٰ آلِ يَعْقُوبَ كَمَا أَتَمَّهَا عَلَىٰ أَبَوَيْكَ مِنْ قَبْلُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَإِسْحَاقَ ۚ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ {6}
[12:6] And thus will your Lord choose you and teach you the interpretation of sayings and make His favor complete to you and to the family of Yaqoub, as He made it complete before to your fathers, Ibrahim and Isaac, surely your Lord is Knowing, Wise.

And we see this choosing is a favor to the people by thereby favoring due to these chosen the nation they are in above other nations:

وَإِذْ قَالَ مُوسَىٰ لِقَوْمِهِ يَا قَوْمِ اذْكُرُوا نِعْمَةَ اللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ إِذْ جَعَلَ فِيكُمْ أَنْبِيَاءَ وَجَعَلَكُمْ مُلُوكًا وَآتَاكُمْ مَا لَمْ يُؤْتِ أَحَدًا مِنَ الْعَالَمِينَ {20}
[5:20] And when Musa said to his people: O my people! remember the favor of Allah upon you when He raised prophets among you and made you kings and gave you what He had not given to any other among the nations.

And we see this is linked to the covenant of the Twelve Captains and Drivers (5:12) and is linked to the day God completed his favor(5:3).

And so the favor we are to recognize upon the chosen ones is for our benefit:

قُلْ مَا سَأَلْتُكُمْ مِنْ أَجْرٍ فَهُوَ لَكُمْ ۖ إِنْ أَجْرِيَ إِلَّا عَلَى اللَّهِ ۖ وَهُوَ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ شَهِيدٌ {47}
[34:47] Say: Whatever wage I have asked of you so than it is for yourselves; my (personal) wage is with God, and He is a witness of all things.

And said:

ذَٰلِكَ الَّذِي يُبَشِّرُ اللَّهُ عِبَادَهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ ۗ قُلْ لَا أَسْأَلُكُمْ عَلَيْهِ أَجْرًا إِلَّا الْمَوَدَّةَ فِي الْقُرْبَىٰ ۗ وَمَنْ يَقْتَرِفْ حَسَنَةً نَزِدْ لَهُ فِيهَا حُسْنًا ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ شَكُورٌ {23}
[42:23] That is of which God gives the good news to His servants, (to) those who believe and do good deeds. Say: I do not ask of you a wage for it but love for the near relatives (of mine); and whoever earns good, We give him more of good therein; surely God is Forgiving, Grateful.

In can be seen that this is goodness, that love of the those who carry the Authority and navigate by God's Command towards justice and by the truth of God's Name, is in fact the only path of goodness:

[25:57] Say: I do not ask you a wage, that he who will, may take a way to his Lord.

[23:72] Or is it that you ask them a recompense? So then the recompense of your Lord is best, and He is the best of those who provide sustenance.
[23:73] And most surely you call them to a straight path.

The whole Quran has been arguing for the favor of God upon his chosen ones, and for us to accept this favor, so as to be favored ourselves.

"I leave you two weights (to carry), Quran and my family....whoever I am the Mawla of, then this Ali is Mawla of"

Love of the family of Yaseen is the light of the heavens and the earth.


Re: Interconnection of all themes in Quran about the Succession.
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2017, 07:15:40 PM »

One of the essential roles of the leaders and witnesses and drivers and captains and those who hold the authority, is no doubt related to how the book of God is interpreted:

كِتَابٌ فُصِّلَتْ آيَاتُهُ قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًّا لِقَوْمٍ يَعْلَمُونَ {3}


A book whos verse/signs are expounded/explained, a recitation in Arabic for a people who know.

This manifests what is meant by 3:7.  And among the warnings of Quran is how Bani-Israel despite revelations among them became blind:


They thought there will be no trial so they became blind and deaf; after that God turned to them; yet again many of them became blind and deaf. And Allah is the All-Seer of what they do.

And we see regarding the trial:

وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِنْ قَبْلِكَ مِنْ رَسُولٍ وَلَا نَبِيٍّ إِلَّا إِذَا تَمَنَّىٰ أَلْقَى الشَّيْطَانُ فِي أُمْنِيَّتِهِ فَيَنْسَخُ اللَّهُ مَا يُلْقِي الشَّيْطَانُ ثُمَّ يُحْكِمُ اللَّهُ آيَاتِهِ ۗ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ {52}
[Shakir 22:52] And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet, but when he desired, the Shaitan made a suggestion respecting his desire; but Allah annuls that which the Shaitan casts, then does Allah establish His signs, and Allah is Knowing, Wise,

لِيَجْعَلَ مَا يُلْقِي الشَّيْطَانُ فِتْنَةً لِلَّذِينَ فِي قُلُوبِهِمْ مَرَضٌ وَالْقَاسِيَةِ قُلُوبُهُمْ ۗ وَإِنَّ الظَّالِمِينَ لَفِي شِقَاقٍ بَعِيدٍ {53}
[Shakir 22:53] So that He may make what the Shaitan casts a trial for those in whose hearts is disease and those whose hearts are hard; and most surely the unjust are in a great opposition,
وَلِيَعْلَمَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْعِلْمَ أَنَّهُ الْحَقُّ مِنْ رَبِّكَ فَيُؤْمِنُوا بِهِ فَتُخْبِتَ لَهُ قُلُوبُهُمْ ۗ وَإِنَّ اللَّهَ لَهَادِ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِلَىٰ صِرَاطٍ مُسْتَقِيمٍ {54}
[Shakir 22:54] And that those who have been given the knowledge may know that it is the truth from your Lord, so they may believe in it and their hearts may be lowly before it; and most surely Allah will guide those who believe into a right path.
وَلَا يَزَالُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا فِي مِرْيَةٍ مِنْهُ حَتَّىٰ تَأْتِيَهُمُ السَّاعَةُ بَغْتَةً أَوْ يَأْتِيَهُمْ عَذَابُ يَوْمٍ عَقِيمٍ {55}
[Shakir 22:55] And those who disbelieve shall not cease to be in doubt concerning it until the hour overtakes them suddenly, or there comes on them the chastisement of a destructive day.

And we after the verse reminding of the covenant with the twelve navigators and drivers and captains:

فَبِمَا نَقْضِهِمْ مِيثَاقَهُمْ لَعَنَّاهُمْ وَجَعَلْنَا قُلُوبَهُمْ قَاسِيَةً ۖ يُحَرِّفُونَ الْكَلِمَ عَنْ مَوَاضِعِهِ ۙ وَنَسُوا حَظًّا مِمَّا ذُكِّرُوا بِهِ ۚ وَلَا تَزَالُ تَطَّلِعُ عَلَىٰ خَائِنَةٍ مِنْهُمْ إِلَّا قَلِيلًا مِنْهُمْ ۖ فَاعْفُ عَنْهُمْ وَاصْفَحْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُحْسِنِينَ {13}
[5:13] So on account of their breaking their covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard; they altered the words from their places and they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of; and you shall always discover treachery in them excepting a few of them; so pardon them and turn away; surely Allah loves those who do good (to others).

And the book of Moses hence was a guide and leader because it pointed to and called to the callers of God and leaders appointed by God:

وَلَقَدْ آتَيْنَا مُوسَى الْكِتَابَ فَلَا تَكُنْ فِي مِرْيَةٍ مِنْ لِقَائِهِ ۖ وَجَعَلْنَاهُ هُدًى لِبَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ {23}
[32:23] And certainly We gave the Book to Musa, so be not in doubt concerning the receiving of it, and We made it a guidance for the children of Israel.
وَجَعَلْنَا مِنْهُمْ أَئِمَّةً يَهْدُونَ بِأَمْرِنَا لَمَّا صَبَرُوا ۖ وَكَانُوا بِآيَاتِنَا يُوقِنُونَ {24}
[32:24] And We made from them Leaders who guide by Our command for what they were patient in and they were certain of Our signs.
إِنَّ رَبَّكَ هُوَ يَفْصِلُ بَيْنَهُمْ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ فِيمَا كَانُوا فِيهِ يَخْتَلِفُونَ {25}
[32:25] Surely your Lord will judge between them on the day of resurrection concerning that wherein they differ.

And Quran in this regard reminds how they turned away from truth Authority despite Moses being founded on a clear authority from God, they mixed with that of the falsehood of the Jibt and Taghut, rather than the foundational authority of Moses.

Aside from the leaders who guide by God's command be a test by which people if they hold on to, would hold on to the book and if they turn away from, would turn away from the book,  there is an explanation in God's book and a structure that is different than other books than his chosen ones have from the book.

We will see what Quran has said essentially of those with knowledge, there is a general form which include all pious believers, and than there is the sense that people mean the one who exceeds in knowledge, and we will see the scholars in this sense are the chosen ones who have a much higher knowledge with respect to God's book.

And they are means to unlock the Quran and break free from the sorcery regarding the books of God, and understand the deep wisdoms God emphasizes on.

Just as Bani-Israel twisted words from their places because of breaking the covenant with respect to the Twelve Captains, the same is true with this nation.

It's a repeated cycle Quran warned about so that this nation breaks free and learns from the lessons of the past, but they fell into the same traps, and became blind by the same trials of the past, not passing them, but failing them.

Love of the family of Yaseen is the light of the heavens and the earth.


Re: Interconnection of all themes in Quran about the Succession.
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2017, 03:04:18 AM »

The prayer of Moses with respect to Aaron is paraphrased many times in Quran, one of these places is:

[Shakir 20:25] He said: O my Lord! Expand my breast for me,
وَيَسِّرْ لِي أَمْرِي {26}
[Shakir 20:26] And make my affair easy to me,
وَاحْلُلْ عُقْدَةً مِنْ لِسَانِي {27}
[Shakir 20:27] And loose the knot from my tongue,
يَفْقَهُوا قَوْلِي {28}
[Shakir 20:28] (That) they may understand my word;
وَاجْعَلْ لِي وَزِيرًا مِنْ أَهْلِي {29}
[20:29] And give to me a vicegerent from my family:
هَارُونَ أَخِي {30}
[Shakir 20:30] Haroun, my brother,
اشْدُدْ بِهِ أَزْرِي {31}
[Shakir 20:31] Strengthen my back by him,
وَأَشْرِكْهُ فِي أَمْرِي {32}
[Shakir 20:32] And associate him (with me) in my affair,
كَيْ نُسَبِّحَكَ كَثِيرًا {33}
[Shakir 20:33] So that we should glorify Thee much,
وَنَذْكُرَكَ كَثِيرًا {34}
[Shakir 20:34] And remember Thee oft.
إِنَّكَ كُنْتَ بِنَا بَصِيرًا {35}
[Shakir 20:35] Surely, Thou art seeing us.
قَالَ قَدْ أُوتِيتَ سُؤْلَكَ يَا مُوسَىٰ {36}
[Shakir 20:36] He said: You are indeed granted your petition, O Musa

وَيَضِيقُ صَدْرِي وَلَا يَنْطَلِقُ لِسَانِي فَأَرْسِلْ إِلَىٰ هَارُونَ {13}

[26:13] And by breast straitens, and my tongue does not reach out.

وَأَخِي هَارُونُ هُوَ أَفْصَحُ مِنِّي لِسَانًا فَأَرْسِلْهُ مَعِيَ رِدْءًا يُصَدِّقُنِي ۖ إِنِّي أَخَافُ أَنْ يُكَذِّبُونِ {34}
[Shakir 28:34] And my brother, Haroun, he is more clear of tongue than I, therefore send him with me as an aider, verifying me: surely I fear that they would reject me.

An essential thing to understand is that Mohammad and Moses constraint on the heart, and inability to reach out in tongue, and their wish for people to understand their word, had nothing to do with a fault of theirs or inability of their capabilities but was rather the circumstances they were in:

وَلَقَدْ نَعْلَمُ أَنَّكَ يَضِيقُ صَدْرُكَ بِمَا يَقُولُونَ {97}
[Shakir 15:97] And surely We know that your breast straitens at what they say;

If we read the emphasis that it was through Harun that Moses breast was expanded, and his arm strengthened, and his back reinforced, then the following is obviously about someone similar to Harun:

وَقُلْ رَبِّ أَدْخِلْنِي مُدْخَلَ صِدْقٍ وَأَخْرِجْنِي مُخْرَجَ صِدْقٍ وَاجْعَلْ لِي مِنْ لَدُنْكَ سُلْطَانًا نَصِيرًا {80}

And say Lord enter me a truthful entering and bring me out a truthful bringing out, and make from you a helping authority.

[94:1] By the name of God the Compassionate, the Merciful, Have We not expanded thee thy breast?-
[Shakir 94:2] And taken off from you your burden,
[Shakir 94:3] Which pressed heavily upon your back,
[94:4] And exalted for you your mention.
Shakir 94:6] With difficulty is surely ease.
[Shakir 94:7] So when you are free, nominate.
[Shakir 94:8] And make your Lord your exclusive object.

Here we see it linked to God's Name, and is an allusion that Ali and Mohammad are God's Name.

You see who can expand the heart of who is sent with the name of God but the name of God, who can make people understand the one who spoke by the name of God but the name of God? Who can succeed the name of God but the name of God?

And we see the closest paraphrasing to the above, is Suratal Taha, and in that it said:

قُلْنَا لَا تَخَفْ إِنَّكَ أَنْتَ الْأَعْلَىٰ {68}
[20:68] We said: Fear not, surely you are the highest,
وَأَلْقِ مَا فِي يَمِينِكَ تَلْقَفْ مَا صَنَعُوا ۖ إِنَّمَا صَنَعُوا كَيْدُ سَاحِرٍ ۖ وَلَا يُفْلِحُ السَّاحِرُ حَيْثُ أَتَىٰ {69}
[Shakir 20:69] And cast down what is in your right hand; it shall devour what they have wrought; they have wrought only the plan of a magician, and the magician shall not be successful wheresoever he may come from.
فَأُلْقِيَ السَّحَرَةُ سُجَّدًا قَالُوا آمَنَّا بِرَبِّ هَارُونَ وَمُوسَىٰ {70}
[Shakir 20:70] And the magicians were cast down making obeisance; they said: We believe in the Lord of Haroun and Musa.

And Harun means exalted/high mountain and Ali means exalted/high.

And we see similarly in Suratal Furqan:

انْظُرْ كَيْفَ ضَرَبُوا لَكَ الْأَمْثَالَ فَضَلُّوا فَلَا يَسْتَطِيعُونَ سَبِيلًا {9}
[Shakir 25:9] See what likenesses do they apply to you, so they have gone astray, therefore they shall not be able to find a way.

وَيَوْمَ يَعَضُّ الظَّالِمُ عَلَىٰ يَدَيْهِ يَقُولُ يَا لَيْتَنِي اتَّخَذْتُ مَعَ الرَّسُولِ سَبِيلًا {27}
[25:27] The Day that the oppressor will bite at his hands, he will say, "Oh! would that I had taken a (straight) path with the Messenger!

[25:35] And certainly We gave Musa the Book and We appointed with him his brother Haroun a vicegerent

[25:41] And when they see you, they do not take you for aught but a mockery: Is this he whom Allah has raised to be an messenger?

قُلْ مَا أَسْأَلُكُمْ عَلَيْهِ مِنْ أَجْرٍ إِلَّا مَنْ شَاءَ أَنْ يَتَّخِذَ إِلَىٰ رَبِّهِ سَبِيلًا {57}
Say: No wage do I ask regarding a wage except who wants to, to take towards their Lord a path.

And then regarding the servants of God they were asking about, and belittling and mocking, and saying why not given a mansion,  just like Moses was said why doesn't have gold bracelets, and saying why does he eat, why not an Angel, is says regarding such servants of God who he chooses for guidance:

[25:63] And the servants of (Allah) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say, "Peace!";


وَالَّذِينَ يَقُولُونَ رَبَّنَا هَبْ لَنَا مِنْ أَزْوَاجِنَا وَذُرِّيَّاتِنَا قُرَّةَ أَعْيُنٍ وَاجْعَلْنَا لِلْمُتَّقِينَ إِمَامًا {74}
[Shakir 25:74] And they who say: O our Lord! grant us in our wives and our offspring the joy of our eyes, and make us leaders to those who guard (against evil).

The Mutaqeen are guided per the book of God, and every human will be called with a leader from themselves, so what does mean?

We saw that Moses who was given Aaron as a vicegerent with clear authority from God the coolness of his eyes and the expanding of his breat lied in that Aaron can make people understand Moses' word. Again, we see this in the case of Mohammad was due solely by what they say and not due to fault of Mohammad. The same is true of Moses.

And so regarding those who he has made a path to himself, and who they were mocking and so could not find a way, it describes them.

And the only two Prophets mentioned in this Surah other than Mohammad, is Moses and Aaron.

Indeed there are signs in this for a people who believe.

Those who hold station of being the door of God and Navigators who sail the ships towards God, are described with qualities that heighten them and are better than everything that this world has to offer.

The servants of God which they were mocking,  are leaders of the pious, a station that Abraham was given and prayed regarding his offspring, and no oppressor would be given such leadership.

There is always an "us" and "group" with the founder, their true family, and their true successors and inheritors.

And they are the name of God since they are the Captains of the ships that are driven by the name of God, and every soul will be called with "a driver and witness", and every human will be called with their "leader" and every people have a "guide" and every people will be called with "a witness" from themselves.

Say:the truth has come and the falsehood has vanished.
Love of the family of Yaseen is the light of the heavens and the earth.


Re: Interconnection of all themes in Quran about the Succession.
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2017, 03:50:46 AM »

And interlink with the subjects above is the following verse:

كِتَابٌ أُنْزِلَ إِلَيْكَ فَلَا يَكُنْ فِي صَدْرِكَ حَرَجٌ مِنْهُ لِتُنْذِرَ بِهِ وَذِكْرَىٰ لِلْمُؤْمِنِينَ {2}
[Shakir 7:2] A Book revealed to you-- so there be no straitness in your breast on account of it-- that you may warn thereby, and a reminder close to the believers.

So it can be said the whole book is about manifesting how Mohammad's heart will be expanded, and we see his heart is constrained by what they say, so what does this mean? Did Mohammad (pbuh&hf) disobey God or was it saying, indeed, your heart is constricted for now, but one day it will be expanded?

And the Surah links to:

اتَّبِعُوا مَا أُنْزِلَ إِلَيْكُمْ مِنْ رَبِّكُمْ وَلَا تَتَّبِعُوا مِنْ دُونِهِ أَوْلِيَاءَ ۗ قَلِيلًا مَا تَذَكَّرُونَ {

Follow what has been brought down to you from your Lord and do not follow Authorities besides Him, how little do you remember.

And said regarding our enemy:

قَالَ اخْرُجْ مِنْهَا مَذْءُومًا مَدْحُورًا ۖ لَمَنْ تَبِعَكَ مِنْهُمْ لَأَمْلَأَنَّ جَهَنَّمَ مِنْكُمْ أَجْمَعِينَ {18}
[Shakir 7:18] He said: Get out of this (state), despised, driven away; whoever of them will follow you, I will certainly fill hell with you all.

فَرِيقًا هَدَىٰ وَفَرِيقًا حَقَّ عَلَيْهِمُ الضَّلَالَةُ ۗ إِنَّهُمُ اتَّخَذُوا الشَّيَاطِينَ أَوْلِيَاءَ مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ وَيَحْسَبُونَ أَنَّهُمْ مُهْتَدُونَ {30}
[7:30] A part has He guided aright and (as for another) part, error is justly their due, surely they took the Shaitans for Authorities besides God, and they think that they are guided.

وَقَالَ الْمَلَأُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا مِنْ قَوْمِهِ لَئِنِ اتَّبَعْتُمْ شُعَيْبًا إِنَّكُمْ إِذًا لَخَاسِرُونَ {90}
[Shakir 7:90] And the chiefs of those who disbelieved from among his people said: If you follow Shu'aib, you shall then most surely be losers

وَوَاعَدْنَا مُوسَىٰ ثَلَاثِينَ لَيْلَةً وَأَتْمَمْنَاهَا بِعَشْرٍ فَتَمَّ مِيقَاتُ رَبِّهِ أَرْبَعِينَ لَيْلَةً ۚ وَقَالَ مُوسَىٰ لِأَخِيهِ هَارُونَ اخْلُفْنِي فِي قَوْمِي وَأَصْلِحْ وَلَا تَتَّبِعْ سَبِيلَ الْمُفْسِدِينَ {142}
[Shakir 7:142] And We appointed with Musa a time of thirty nights and completed them with ten (more), so the appointed time of his Lord was complete forty nights, and Musa said to his brother Haroun: Take my place among my people, and act well and do not follow the way of the mischief-makers.

الَّذِينَ يَتَّبِعُونَ الرَّسُولَ النَّبِيَّ الْأُمِّيَّ الَّذِي يَجِدُونَهُ مَكْتُوبًا عِنْدَهُمْ فِي التَّوْرَاةِ وَالْإِنْجِيلِ يَأْمُرُهُمْ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ وَيَنْهَاهُمْ عَنِ الْمُنْكَرِ وَيُحِلُّ لَهُمُ الطَّيِّبَاتِ وَيُحَرِّمُ عَلَيْهِمُ الْخَبَائِثَ وَيَضَعُ عَنْهُمْ إِصْرَهُمْ وَالْأَغْلَالَ الَّتِي كَانَتْ عَلَيْهِمْ ۚ فَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا بِهِ وَعَزَّرُوهُ وَنَصَرُوهُ وَاتَّبَعُوا النُّورَ الَّذِي أُنْزِلَ مَعَهُ ۙ أُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الْمُفْلِحُونَ {157}
[Shakir 7:157] Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel (who) enjoins them good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their burden and the shackles which were upon them; so (as for) those who believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.

قُلْ يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنِّي رَسُولُ اللَّهِ إِلَيْكُمْ جَمِيعًا الَّذِي لَهُ مُلْكُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ ۖ لَا إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ يُحْيِي وَيُمِيتُ ۖ فَآمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ النَّبِيِّ الْأُمِّيِّ الَّذِي يُؤْمِنُ بِاللَّهِ وَكَلِمَاتِهِ وَاتَّبِعُوهُ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَهْتَدُونَ {158}
[Shakir 7:158] Say: O people! surely I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, of Him Whose is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth there is no god but He; He brings to life and causes to die therefore believe in Allah and His messenger, the Ummi Prophet who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him so that you may be guided.

7:159-160 was already explained, and it referred to the successors of Moses who were a way who guided by the truth and did justice by it, split into twelve ways from another perspective, each being a means to God and collectively they were associated with the affair of Moses starting from Aaron, and this clearly an allusion to the Twelve Successors of Mohammad. They were the door to God and each a door themselves.

In fact the book as alluded in the beginning is so there is no straightening to Mohammad's heart which according to another verse his heart was straightened due to what they say.

وَلَوْ شِئْنَا لَرَفَعْنَاهُ بِهَا وَلَٰكِنَّهُ أَخْلَدَ إِلَى الْأَرْضِ وَاتَّبَعَ هَوَاهُ ۚ فَمَثَلُهُ كَمَثَلِ الْكَلْبِ إِنْ تَحْمِلْ عَلَيْهِ يَلْهَثْ أَوْ تَتْرُكْهُ يَلْهَثْ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ مَثَلُ الْقَوْمِ الَّذِينَ كَذَّبُوا بِآيَاتِنَا ۚ فَاقْصُصِ الْقَصَصَ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ {176}
[Shakir 7:176] And if We had pleased, We would certainly have exalted him thereby; but he clung to the earth and followed his low desire, so his parable is as the parable of the dog; if you attack him he lolls out his tongue; and if you leave him alone he lolls out his tongue; this is the parable of the people who reject Our communications; therefore relate the narrative that they may reflect.

وَإِنْ تَدْعُوهُمْ إِلَى الْهُدَىٰ لَا يَتَّبِعُوكُمْ ۚ سَوَاءٌ عَلَيْكُمْ أَدَعَوْتُمُوهُمْ أَمْ أَنْتُمْ صَامِتُونَ {193}
[Shakir 7:193] And if you (plural) invite them to guidance, they will not follow you (plural); it is the same to you (plural) whether you invite them or you are silent.

Going with the theme of follow all giving a repeated theme of follow, it makes sense that "not follow you" refers to a people who ought to be followed, that being the guidance, and indeed as alluded to before, it's those who the book alludes to so that Mohammad's heart will not be straightened but instead his Aaron and the family of his Aaron, will expand his heart and make people understand his word.

The context all gives "follow" meaning absolutely follow, and here are a people who ought to be followed with Mohammad.

And to give what is meant by follow as a finality:

[Shakir 7:203] And if bring them not a sign they say: Why do you not forge it? Say: I only follow what is revealed to me from my Lord; these are clear proofs from your Lord and a guidance and a mercy for a people who believe.

Love of the family of Yaseen is the light of the heavens and the earth.


Re: Interconnection of all themes in Quran about the Succession.
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2017, 03:58:35 AM »
Going back to the first verse, what I forgot to mention "By the name of God...a book revealed to you so there be no straightness in your breast and a remembrance to the believers"

It can be saying, that among things "the way who guide by the truth and they establish by it justice" who were split into "Twelve" ways, are the name of God as well.

So they will manifest the true Quran and make people understand the words of the Prophet. And this is similar to Suratal Inshirah and has the same message.

We saw how Mohammad's heart was straightened by what the people say and no fault of his own. So the book has been brought down with the name of God who the alluded to is Ali and the Imams from his offspring, and they are alluded to by the light brought down with the Nabi.

And the beautiful Names of God are all each a course, being the course/name of God and the means to him.

To be continued... stayed tuned!
Love of the family of Yaseen is the light of the heavens and the earth.


Re: Interconnection of all themes in Quran about the Succession.
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2017, 03:31:20 PM »

An important question is what were they saying. I will not quote all the verses because there is many on this subject but it can be summarized in the following:

1) Prophet is not an Angel, and God would surely if he wanted to guide us, guide us by Angels (as Jinn Worshippers were already in this paradigm, and thought they were worshiping Angels or sons of God who were Hidden Beings).

The first thing to say is people work with the paradigm of their religion. To them it seemed like it made more sense God would make Angels the means to him as the path to God was through Angels in the unseen anyways, why not bring them out.

2) Why did Prophet not be given a mansion of gold etc, a great worldly treasure?

They thought surely if he was favored and chosen by God, God would do something to manifest that clearly, and he should be favored with great treasures and be richest of all humans.

3) Why does he eat?

Surely if he is truly a representative of God...why does he eat? Why would he need to?

4) Would God send a human/mortal?

5)Why not bring a decisive sign.

They kept on making the demand that God could bring a sign that would make everyone believe. That the miracles of Mohammad were not good enough and that if God wanted to, he can bring a sign that all would believe.

6) Why not one of the great men.

7) mocked him as a Messenger

This at the end was the center of the propaganda and the reason that prevented the Jinn Worshippers from believing. Sure maybe their Jinns weren't gods, but surely, if there were to be guidance, it would from Angel, a Guide from the hidden beings....

At the end the propaganda was all about heightening the Jinn over humans, because the leaders leading against Mohammad (pbuh&hf) were those who got legitimacy from claiming to represent Jinn and be the avatars of the jinn gods.

In this sense, what the guiding human was, and the path a human was meant to follow, became unknown.

The position of human leaders appointed by God became something hidden and not manifest, and there was much to say....

And the issue of proof...there was much to say... especially when Mohammad (pbuh) is said to be "The clarifying proof" while for "every people there is a guide".

And the Quran rotates mostly on this discussion not only because it was relevant to Mohammad's time, but will be necessary to refute the Jinn Worshipper in later times (Illuminati).

Although Quran does address all religions,  the real competition is really who is best fit to guide humans and what proof do they require, and around this discussion, it proves the Messengers and Prophets and the Possessors of the Authority of the nation of Mohammad.

And in reality, in all this, the Quran summarizes all the objections:

"By the name of God, the Commpassionate, the Merciful of what do they ask about? About the great tiding. That in which they differ."

And going back to the wage:

قُلْ مَا أَسْأَلُكُمْ عَلَيْهِ مِنْ أَجْرٍ وَمَا أَنَا مِنَ الْمُتَكَلِّفِينَ {86}
[Shakir 38:86] Say: I do not ask you for a wage for regarding it - and am I of those who affect -:
إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا ذِكْرٌ لِلْعَالَمِينَ {87}
[Shakir 38:87] That it (the wage) is but a reminder to the nations;
وَلَتَعْلَمُنَّ نَبَأَهُ بَعْدَ حِينٍ {88}
[Shakir 38:88] And most surely you will know it's tiding after a time.

This is an interlinking verse, showing there is a "tiding" from loving the family of Mohammad, and we see it is a reminder.

A reminder to what? As they are the beautiful names of God they lead to God and are signs of God.

We will see a whole theme of chosen ones and signs of God in Quran.  That is one of their titles, that they are signs of God.

And they also a reminder of what a human is meant to be, and always was meant to follow.

Love of the family of Yaseen is the light of the heavens and the earth.


Re: Interconnection of all themes in Quran about the Succession.
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2017, 06:00:01 PM »

There is a sense that all believers are truly knowledgeable. There is another sense, where those in knowledge is used to those who are experts in the religion. As for the latter, let us see what Quran truly says about them.

[Shakir 27:15] And certainly We gave knowledge to Dawood and Sulaiman, and they both said: Praise be to Allah, Who has made us to excel many of His believing servants.

[27:40] One who had the knowledge from the Book said: I will bring it to you in the twinkling of an eye. Then when he saw it settled beside him, he said: This is of the grace of my Lord that He may try me whether I am grateful or ungrateful; and whoever is grateful, he is grateful only for his own soul, and whoever is ungrateful, then surely my Lord is Self-sufficient, Honored.

And in a general sense:

مَا كَانَ لِبَشَرٍ أَنْ يُؤْتِيَهُ اللَّهُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحُكْمَ وَالنُّبُوَّةَ ثُمَّ يَقُولَ لِلنَّاسِ كُونُوا عِبَادًا لِي مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ وَلَٰكِنْ كُونُوا رَبَّانِيِّينَ بِمَا كُنْتُمْ تُعَلِّمُونَ الْكِتَابَ وَبِمَا كُنْتُمْ تَدْرُسُونَ {79}
[3:79] It is not meet for a mortal that Allah should give him the Book and the wisdom and prophethood, then he should say to men: Be my Worshippers rather than Allah's; but rather (he would say): Be sages/scholars because of your teaching the Book and your reading (it yourselves).

[3:146] And how many a prophet has fought with whom were many scholars/sages; so they did not become weak-hearted on account of what befell them in Allah's way, nor did they weaken, nor did they abase themselves; and Allah loves the patient.

The specific is for the chosen ones who can bring a throne in a twinkle of an eye, and the general is for all believers. And anyone who tries to do a division other than this is trying to make people worship his idols and rally around his idols.

Love of the family of Yaseen is the light of the heavens and the earth.


Re: Interconnection of all themes in Quran about the Succession.
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2017, 06:24:11 PM »

There is a strong emphasis, that the souls that are destined to be pure their whole lives are also the chosen ones, and the chosen ones are destined to be pure their whole lives and in this sense, no other soul has a guarantee but the chosen ones.

[Shakir 3:42] And when the angels said: O Marium! surely Allah has chosen you and purified you and chosen you above the women of the world.

This is while people attribute a high purity to their clergy while God has forbidden to do so:

أَلَمْ تَرَ إِلَى الَّذِينَ يُزَكُّونَ أَنْفُسَهُمْ ۚ بَلِ اللَّهُ يُزَكِّي مَنْ يَشَاءُ وَلَا يُظْلَمُونَ فَتِيلًا {49}
[4:49] Have you not considered those who attribute purity to themselves? Nay, Allah attributes purity to whom He pleases; and they shall not be wronged the husk of a date stone.

And said:

الَّذِينَ يَجْتَنِبُونَ كَبَائِرَ الْإِثْمِ وَالْفَوَاحِشَ إِلَّا اللَّمَمَ ۚ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ وَاسِعُ الْمَغْفِرَةِ ۚ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِكُمْ إِذْ أَنْشَأَكُمْ مِنَ الْأَرْضِ وَإِذْ أَنْتُمْ أَجِنَّةٌ فِي بُطُونِ أُمَّهَاتِكُمْ ۖ فَلَا تُزَكُّوا أَنْفُسَكُمْ ۖ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِمَنِ اتَّقَىٰ {32}
[Shakir 53:32] Those who keep aloof from the great sins and the indecencies but the passing idea; surely your Lord is liberal in forgiving. He knows you best when He brings you forth from the earth and when you are embryos in the wombs of your mothers; therefore do not attribute purity to your souls; He knows him best who guards (against evil).

And said:

وَقَرْنَ فِي بُيُوتِكُنَّ وَلَا تَبَرَّجْنَ تَبَرُّجَ الْجَاهِلِيَّةِ الْأُولَىٰ ۖ وَأَقِمْنَ الصَّلَاةَ وَآتِينَ الزَّكَاةَ وَأَطِعْنَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ ۚ إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنْكُمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيرًا {33}
[Shakir 33:33] And stay in your houses and do not display your finery like the displaying of the ignorance of yore, and keep up prayer, and pay the poor-rate, and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a purification.
وَاذْكُرْنَ مَا يُتْلَىٰ فِي بُيُوتِكُنَّ مِنْ آيَاتِ اللَّهِ وَالْحِكْمَةِ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ لَطِيفًا خَبِيرًا {34}

Some quick points:

The only is not regarding the wish of such the commands to the wives, as God desires more than that then to purify with those commands and such commands as hinted earlier with the honorable sustenance and emphasis of the next world.

The addressment to Ahlulbayt can mean two things:

1) It might be saying "It is only YOU Ahlulbayt in the nation that God desires to keep all uncleanness away from as he chosen families of guidance before you, and secondly he wishes to purify you a level of purification that he desires no one else be at that level and hence you are chosen above the worlds"

2) It might be saying "It is only the uncleaness that God desires to keep away from you, thereby desire to bless you with all blessings while as well God only desires to purify YOU and no one else a level of purification".

The first one goes more well with "Do not attribute purity to yourselves" and here is saying, only you Ahlulbayt have been given a guarantee from God to be free from uncleanness and no such desire from this nations exists regarding another soul.

The second will be more in line with that the chosen ones are given from all things, blessed with all blessings, and everything is found in them except the negative, the darkness, the uncleanness, that which constitutes the basis of doubt or disbelief.

I will have to reflect more to see which one is what God intended but what is for certain, is that this is regarding the chosen household of time, and goes with theme of chosen households.

And while God doesn't want us attributing purity to ourselves or people by our wishes, he wants us to recognize those he attributed purity to.

Love of the family of Yaseen is the light of the heavens and the earth.


Re: Interconnection of all themes in Quran about the Succession.
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2017, 07:21:25 PM »

And so verse 33:33 among the things might be saying as for those who God and his Messenger purified already from the people,  there is no guarantee they remain pure, but rather, the guarantee and the only guarantee that God has wished absolutely, is that of the chosen household of time.

And this is a huge warning to humanity, that even if they become pure, they are not guaranteed safety, unlike the chosen ones, and hence must be fearful and careful at every step of the journey.

And we see examples of those who attained purity but fell from grace, like Iblis, like the one given from God's signs but clinging to the earth in Quran...

And this is where the leaders are chosen due to a quality in which they had perseverance and patience in while they were sure of God's signs.

And the Quran shows, that indeed, they were chosen before coming to this world, and so God knew by how they responded to him when "his throne was on water" and we were tried by who would be best in works, and this theme that God is aware seeing of his servants, and so would choose the best of them is a theme in Quran.

[Shakir 35:28] And of men and beasts and cattle are various species of it likewise; those of His servants only who are possessed of knowledge fear Allah; surely Allah is Mighty, Forgiving.
إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يَتْلُونَ كِتَابَ اللَّهِ وَأَقَامُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَأَنْفَقُوا مِمَّا رَزَقْنَاهُمْ سِرًّا وَعَلَانِيَةً يَرْجُونَ تِجَارَةً لَنْ تَبُورَ {29}
[Shakir 35:29] Surely they who recite the Book of Allah and keep up prayer and spend out of what We have given them secretly and openly, hope for a gain which will not perish.
لِيُوَفِّيَهُمْ أُجُورَهُمْ وَيَزِيدَهُمْ مِنْ فَضْلِهِ ۚ إِنَّهُ غَفُورٌ شَكُورٌ {30}
[Shakir 35:30] That He may pay them back fully their rewards and give them more out of His grace: surely He is Forgiving, Multiplier of rewards.
وَالَّذِي أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْكَ مِنَ الْكِتَابِ هُوَ الْحَقُّ مُصَدِّقًا لِمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ بِعِبَادِهِ لَخَبِيرٌ بَصِيرٌ {31}
[Shakir 35:31] And that which We have revealed to you of the Book, that is the truth verifying that which is before it; most surely with respect to His servants Allah is Aware, Seeing.
ثُمَّ أَوْرَثْنَا الْكِتَابَ الَّذِينَ اصْطَفَيْنَا مِنْ عِبَادِنَا ۖ فَمِنْهُمْ ظَالِمٌ لِنَفْسِهِ وَمِنْهُمْ مُقْتَصِدٌ وَمِنْهُمْ سَابِقٌ بِالْخَيْرَاتِ بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ هُوَ الْفَضْلُ الْكَبِيرُ {32}
[35:32] Then We gave the Book for an inheritance to those whom We chose from among Our servants; so of them is he who makes his soul to suffer a loss, and of them is he who takes a middle course, and of them is he who is foremost in deeds of goodness by Allah's permission; this is the great excellence.

We see there is much emphasis on the word "servants". And while he mentions those who "recite the book", and their reward, something else is obviously meant by "those who chosen from our servants".

And in flow, the "so of them", them refers to servants, especially by how the word has been emphasized three times before that. And there would be no need to mention servants, God could of just said "those he chosen" but emphasized on the words servants obviously because he is talking about an important division.

There is three distincts people talked about in Quran:

1) The oppressors to themselves (the disbelievers, etc).
2) Those in the middle path.... (the followers of the right path)

Out of those in the middle path, surely, and God is making us reflect on a tautology, there is soul (or souls) that races ahead of all in good deeds.

And it is making humanity think.... who does God REALLY use for his religion and guide through, it is regular people, or is the best of the people of time.

And did God know he would be the best of his time ahead of time, did he know he would be racing ahead and be the foremost in racing ahead from those who travel to God and help his cause.

And there is a whole theme in Quran on how these people were chosen for a resolve and love to God, that he knew they would be truthful and sincere to him.

Yes many Prophets did slip, but God showed that this just increased them in resolve and love for him after, like Yonus who became of the "Saliheen" and was "distinguished" AGAIN after Prophethood, when in turning to God and glorifying him in the darkness of the whale and grief.

And so humanity is to rely on who God has pre-chosen for leadership and guidance, and not choose those who are the means to God from Jinn or humans.... aside from taking their leaders and hidden guides of Jinn and objects of devotion as a means to God - to a level of divinity and equating them to God, Quran refutes the very fact they chosen them themselves without proof from God that God has chosen them:

And your Lord creates what He wills and chooses. Do they not a choice. Glory be (to) Allah and High is He above what they associate (with Him).

And this verse the context is not anything to do with God choosing all our actions and destining it, but is particularly, on topic of what they associate with God, and is particularly on topic of them choosing who they want as a means to God from the Jinn and choosing who would represent these Jinn from humans, all without proof from God, which resulted in the disaster of darkness and corruption of their nature and turning away from the path to God.

And Quranic theme of chosen and picking of God is central and to make this verse off-topic of the issue of the Jibt and Taghut, is nothing but desire to turn away from God's choice and his condemnation of choosing a means to God and leaders to lead to him, other than God's choice.
Love of the family of Yaseen is the light of the heavens and the earth.


Re: Interconnection of all themes in Quran about the Succession.
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2017, 07:54:57 PM »

Going back the prayer of "make us leaders to the pious" and the link to Moses and Aaron, and Moses' prayer, and the straightening of the heart of Mohammad by what they say, and that the "great excellence" is their racing ahead of all in good deeds which would be true whether or not, they were Prophets or Leaders/Guides. 

It can be seen one of the primary reasons of God's books is to enable leaders like Aaron and the family of Aaron/Moses, to teach humanity, and make people understand the words of their founder.

That is why Quran says "a book revealed to you so that there be no straightening in your heart from it" and showed in the past Moses had similar straightening and was relieved through Aaron.

And this one of the primary reasons for a divine book from God, to give authority to leaders to teach through the book and unravel the book to humanity and widen their breast as they are not niggardly regarding the unseen knowledge they have:

[Shakir 37:154] What is the matter with you, how is it that you judge?
أَفَلَا تَذَكَّرُونَ {155}
[Shakir 37:155] Will you not then mind?
أَمْ لَكُمْ سُلْطَانٌ مُبِينٌ {156}
[Shakir 37:156] Or have you a clear authority?
فَأْتُوا بِكِتَابِكُمْ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ صَادِقِينَ {157}
[Shakir 37:157] Then bring your book, if you are truthful.

Aside from the absurdity of attributing God sons and daughters, was, what authority did these people have regarding religion anwyays?

Do they have a clear authority, then bring "your book" and hence those who authority have a book they are coupled with.

And in this regard, aside from Mohammad being the reminder, "a reminder. A Messenger.." and clear proof "clear proof. A Messenger...",  and interwined with the book, indeed he a book coupled with him, and his family likewise, is coupled with the revelation:

"And we did not send before you except men who we revealed to, therefore ask the family of the reminder if you do not know"

In the thread discussing the flow of Quran, we discussed the Surah preluding Suratal Nahl and how it paved way for it, and then how it finished off with reminding of this in Suratal Anbiya and the Surahs in between were all related, and the context is clearly the chose household of revelation and guidance.

I will not repeat the same themes as before, but this is was to interlink it with also the issue of "chosen ones who inherited the book" and "Or do you have manifest authority. Then bring your book...".

As Quran is immersed in discussion of love of his chosen ones, it can be said that love of the family of Mohammad or the leader of time, is a remembrance to and in the book there is indeed our remembrance and so the path of loving of Mohammad and his family is explained in detail in Quran yet we are indeed of the family of reminder "ask the family of the reminder if you do know" to manifest it's teachings and explain it, and for us to see what we would otherwise not see in Quran.

"I leave you two thaqals(things to carry), Quran and my family..."

Love of the family of Yaseen is the light of the heavens and the earth.


Re: Interconnection of all themes in Quran about the Succession.
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2017, 08:06:28 PM »

In light of "Or do they have a manifest authority. So let them bring their book..." and "then explained in detail" it can be seen the Quran itself explains who is meant by "Those who possess the Authority from you".

Aside from what has been shown and re-emphasized, and the context leading up to verse 4:59 and after, and the whole emphasis of those who truly hold authority among humanity and how God designates them in Quran and explains what truly is leadership and it's responsibility and the trust of it which it says even the earth and heavens refused to carry but humans being ignorant and triffled with it and attempted to carry it by claiming to be people's leaders and great men and attributing righteousness to themselves....

There is a discussion in Quran which is very very very important and we see Sunnis always emphasize on,  why aren't these true Kings and leaders always among the people in a clear manifest manner.

And to get into this discussion, we have to see what God has said about "the days of God". And we have to see a cycle in the past, to understand, why God didn't though he could have "And if we wished, we could have sent a warner in every town".

There is a wisdom in this structure, and the cycle of destruction of the oppressors and relief of the believers has been a cycle, and the hiddenness of the "proof" "Sign" to many people, and it's light being bright in the hearts of the followers of truth who believe in that which has been "hidden" (Al-Ghayb) which Quran explains exactly what has been hidden....

Is of the primary themes in Quran. In other words, understanding the Ghayba of the 12th Imam is of the primary themes, and almost every mention of "wait, for we too are waiting" pertains to the manifestation of "proof" to the whole world and illumination of God's light everywhere and it's perfection to humanity.

We will see this theme, and will show, it's of the primary themes in Quran. Stay tuned! Next topic: "Ships" and "Days of God".

Love of the family of Yaseen is the light of the heavens and the earth.


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