Sunni Shia Discussion Forum => Quran-Tafseer => Topic started by: Soccer on May 27, 2020, 02:09:53 AM

Title: Nubuwa, Wahy, Resalah, Imama, Niqaba, Amr, mulk.
Post by: Soccer on May 27, 2020, 02:09:53 AM
Nubuwa - reception (Given a book from God to humans) (doesn't include hadith qudsi, that is hadith qudsi not included in Nubuwa)
Wahyi - revelation (chosen receive it like Mariam and of course his Anbiya, but so can non-chosen like God talking to Pharaoh in Quranic recorded event)
Resalah - Message (chosen to deliver clear conveyance of certain messages from God to minds of people, the messages from God can be paraphrased in own words to convey and this is different then Nubuwa which is direct book from God to be held on to as scripture, that is Nubuwa is purely receiving that and giving that reception)

Now since Quran is conveyed and has clear message, it can be said to be a Resalah. If it's the case all books from God are a clear message to humanity and this is true, then every Nabi is a Rasool but not every Rasool is a Nabi.

However, since, we can imagine Nubuwa that doesn't have to be a clear message but is additional wisdom and compliments clear message already among the people, we may argue, in this condition, a Nabi is not necessarily a Rasool (if his Nubuwa is just building what is already clearly conveyed, and the scripture is supplementary, but not necessary to convey the truth).

So now we see not every Nabi is necessarily a Rasool and not every Rasool is necessarily a Nabi. However rationally, we can deduce 99.9% of Rasools are Anbiya and 99.9% of Anbiya are Rasools. This is because of how books of God function to society continuously God speaking to humans is beneficial, and Rasools are almost always needed become seldom does a society agree on truth and not dispute it and submit to God and are enlightened.

Amr in Quran refers to Authority and Mulk is used synchronously with it and seem to me to mean the same thing in context of Quran almost in every place, there is of course exceptions, but in most cases it's the same.  And it's used in a way to preserve what God meant by each as both of these can be translated differently. This concept is used to show Messengers for example where Divinely appointed Kings by God.

Imama in Quran doesn't refer to what Shiites think, but is in fact used in context of inspirational leading type by example type leadership, a person who is meant to be looked for for light. Now because the example includes inward states, God emphasize Imamate in four places in this respect:

1] No oppressor can be part of the one entrusted to be followed by all humans (Suratal Baqara) and this is used to show, that humans need a leader now, and so it proves Mohammad (s) to the people of the book especially since it reminds of Ismail and the promise in his offspring with respect to Abraham.

2] In Suratal Furqan, it's put the contentions of Mohammad's people against him and among the criticism is that he was human and walked in the markets, and then in response reminds of who God's servants (that he chooses for his religion are), it goes on to give them characteristics and then reminds they sought to be leaders for the pious and from their offspring what cools their eyes. This surah also reminds of Aaron and his position to Moses, and we see Moses' pray regarding his leadership so this is nothing odd.

3] In Suratal Anbiya - Mariam is included which shows Sarah and Fatima have this type of leadership. It's the type of being light and inspiration to humans in both the physical world and spiritual world and so Fatima is a leader in this sense and it's emphasized they lead by God's command and he revealed/inspired them good works.

4]In Suratal Sajda, it's emphasized to reflect over God's guidance in three forms (proving examples of destroyed nations and his way, a book from him, and thirdly leaders who guide by God's command when they were patient and sure of God's signs - it's shown bani-Israel had all these three from God but yet deviated)

As far Mulk and Amr goes because it includes the right of being looked to and referred to for all political affairs as well, it's a bit different.

Naqeeb in Quran refers to a concept of ship by the name of God and this means all affairs of humans they are to be looked to, and so doesn't include Fatima and Sarah and Mariam.

All these are emphasized in Quran. The only one said to come to an end is Nubuwa. So there is no rational basis to conclude an end for the others and in fact, by singling out only to end Nubuwa, and not declare the others have ended, you can say they have not.

Title: Re: Nubuwa, Wahy, Resalah, Imama, Niqaba, Amr, mulk.
Post by: Soccer on May 27, 2020, 02:26:42 AM
Ummatan and Imam can be interchangeable. In one place, a road is called Imam (Suratal Hijr) and one place Ibrahim is emphasized to be an ummatan in which some translations translate as leader.

The context of how they are used determined, if it's referring to example type leadership (Imammate) and includes Fatima and Mariam and Sarah, or it's used specifically to refer to Naqeebs as the course to follow "by the name of God is it's sailing and anchoring".

So this one is contextual, it's not universal.  In some places, means light type example, other places, it refers to inclusive of the position of holding to the head of society.

And in other places, it refers to followers or group to be that, as in they are the way, and so can refer to a group of people that adhered to a way.

In one place it refers to polytheists saying they found their forefathers on a path, and they follow it. A course/path.

In this way, we see this word, is connecting the two concepts example by light (leadership) that includes Fatima and the other type that excludes her both linked the concept of straight path.

Title: Re: Nubuwa, Wahy, Resalah, Imama, Niqaba, Amr, mulk.
Post by: Soccer on May 27, 2020, 02:28:10 AM
Its also used in some places, to show, the path of God's chosen is one and the same path, one course, though different instances of it, it's really one path.

Title: Re: Nubuwa, Wahy, Resalah, Imama, Niqaba, Amr, mulk.
Post by: Soccer on May 27, 2020, 02:32:34 AM
The word of light and tree of light are very closely related.

The concept of God's pure word and pure tree is also closely related.

In fact the tree of life and Gospels connection to that is obvious, the words of God were the exalted ones who were the Tree of life.

In Quran, there is close association with God's revelation and the recipient, in that both are one and the same word of God brought to life.

Words meanings are found in them, and in that sense they are the word of God, but also the book as in the scripture, reveals and emphasizes on their secret of being the listeners who understands God words.

This is a secret of the words "Yaseen" and "Peace be upon the family of Yaseen", but I will not get into details of this.

But the Quran also introduces the concept of words of God as both scripture and the houses/families he permitted to be exalted and raised and his name remembered therein.

Title: Re: Nubuwa, Wahy, Resalah, Imama, Niqaba, Amr, mulk.
Post by: Soccer on May 27, 2020, 02:37:17 AM
Aside from these roles, it happens, they also come in groups closely tied to the founder in his mission. To show the blessed tree they are trying to form in this world out of knowledge and light,  the Quran uses the word Asbatan.

Asbatan with respect to flow of Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, and Jacob, are the likes of Yusuf and the rest of the chosen captains who are to light the way and be a way to God and guide by the truth.

There is a famous sunni hadith that is hassan or sahih (not sure which) that says "God loves Hussain and who loves Hussain, indeed Hussain is one of the Asbat".

Asbat refers back to the concept of branches. Tribes can be said to be all linking back to a root and hence branches, but tribes is not the primary root meaning but is a parable meaning application of the word "branches".

Another understanding is these branches are associated together and they are part of the same mission or related in mission. That is this concept is to convey somewhat part of the understanding of what a house/family chosen by God consists of and why they are associated together.

Title: Re: Nubuwa, Wahy, Resalah, Imama, Niqaba, Amr, mulk.
Post by: Soccer on May 27, 2020, 02:40:48 AM
The other concept that is important is the concept of an Ahlul-Thikr. Family of the reminder in which the revelation is closely tied with a leader who together with the revelation form the reminder or rather both are individually the reminder and are each other and are a unity.

This goes well with the word of God concept, and with the reminder of the reward Prophets didn't seek from the people but people saw them as greedy for power, etc, and how God says that is in fact only a reminder to the worlds, a path to God and only upon God and no one else, to establish.

Title: Re: Nubuwa, Wahy, Resalah, Imama, Niqaba, Amr, mulk.
Post by: Soccer on May 28, 2020, 12:24:24 AM
Ayat has many means. Today most people know it to refer to mainly a verse.

But Quran talks about signs in form of humans as well, particularly his chosen ones as signs or proofs.

This an important concept related with the miracles they show but also the light they manifest. Consequently - the book is also a proof regarding them and points to them.

So when you rehearse it, you are learning about past proofs in form of humans to the present to the future.

In Suratal Bayana - the Messenger is said to be the clear proof.

The miracles themselves manifest who the Prophet is, and so, they are instances of his power which is directly sustained by God.

Title: Re: Nubuwa, Wahy, Resalah, Imama, Niqaba, Amr, mulk.
Post by: Soccer on June 20, 2020, 05:09:16 PM
The word Mulk occurs 40 times, and it one place, the Authority of the heavens and earth and if you have that, you need to be able to travel through the means and able to ascend and descend where ever and to whatever place you need to, and also have proof and a divine book to prove it.

This means aside from those who Quran gives authority to, no one else has it.  It's the same with theme of those who God purifies in the vision of humanity and Jinn, it's God who does so, and not for others to do so. 

Along with the impossibility of gods being with God, God more in places condemned the very notion of attributing God what we don't know or choosing for guidance and his religion what we don't know, both for leaders outward in this world, and also regarding who can help is the unseen journey and intercede in our path.

It's not for us to choose, but rather the Creator chooses for us, and it's upon us to submit.

Title: Re: Nubuwa, Wahy, Resalah, Imama, Niqaba, Amr, mulk.
Post by: Soccer on June 20, 2020, 05:11:34 PM
The 40 places:'mulk'-word-in-quran/
Title: Re: Nubuwa, Wahy, Resalah, Imama, Niqaba, Amr, mulk.
Post by: Soccer on August 08, 2020, 04:54:07 PM
The word Mursal or Mursaleen (plural version) applies to non-Rasool Anbiya and non-Nabi Rusol and those who are both, and also it applies to callers to God and the witness.

It means being sent, and Quran in context of Mohammad (s) says he been sent with the following roles:

Good news (giver of good news)
Warnings (Warner)
Call to God (caller to God)
Witness (records all their deeds in the book he will testify to on day of judgment).
Light giving torch (example by light and sight to those who see).

The only thing his 12 Successors don't have, is they don't have scripture they are sent with to humanity. That is all.

They are also of the Mursaleen.

Fatima, Mariam, Sarah (peace be upon them), also are of the Mursaleen and so when it says "except men who who revealed to" it means over all the family of the reminder is all men, and God always sends an Ahlulbayt which is mostly consisting of men. But he also sends women as light and torch like Mohammad (s), like Mariam (a), like Sarah (a) and Fatima Al-Zahra (a) being the brighest of them all.

This shows terminology in Quran is very specific and shows the roles Mohammad (s) had so we know they all continue except Nubuwa which is very specific to divine scripture being given to a humans through a channel of God's choice (the Nabi).
Title: Re: Nubuwa, Wahy, Resalah, Imama, Niqaba, Amr, mulk.
Post by: Soccer on August 09, 2020, 10:01:30 PM
The word "Arsal" is also used with respect to God with respect to the Mahdi, and so there is no ambiguity in hadiths, that the Mahdi of the Mursaleen.