Kay so u have 3 posts, less take a look.
Post#20:
You said you don't believe that the Qur'an was altered or tempered. That is good and we believe you. In this case you disagree with that Shia Urdu Tafseer book whose author says the book was in fact altered and tampered with. You should have clarified your position more as you gave us the impression that the Tafseer was correct in its claim of Tahreef.
Then you ask: Is there a possibility that people tried to alter/tamper it???
We all agree with you that this is true, definitely all throughout the ages the enemies of Islam will try to attack the Qur'an in every single way. Although you put a lot of emphasis on the hypocrites from among the Muslims, especially the first generation (Companions), as if the Christians, Jews, Pagans and other groups didn't wish to attack the Qur'an. This looks like a narrow minded view.
Then you ask: Why did Allah not protect and defend the other revelations???
The answer is that because they weren't final, so whenever people would tamper with a book or corrupt its meaning, Allah would send them a Prophet to correct them and guide them. As for us, we have no Prophets after Muhammad (saw), so Allah could not allow for his final message to be lost.
Post#21:
Here there's a couple of things that need commentary.
The 12th Imam (as) is not hidden. He is not in hiding. These words are used by anti Shia propagandists. The 12th Imam (as) went in to occultation by the will of Allah.
First of all, this is the definition of hidden in the English language: "kept out of sight; concealed." It is also one of the synonyms of the occult or occultation. Which agrees perfectly with your beliefs, so it's not something the enemies made up.
Secondly, your biggest scholars such as Tusi and Murtada and the rest, all agreed that the 12th Imam hid himself out of fear from his enemies, NOT because people lost interest.
He was taken away from the Ummah due to the Ummah's lack of interest and concern about these Imams.
Now if the Ummah doesn't care and want divine guides and this is how careless people are then Allah took away the 12th.
That makes no sense,
First of all, because Shia narrations make it sound like their Imams were the center of the universe and everybody from Caliphs to governments to scholars and laypeople were all closely watching their every move and word (Which is why they did Taqiyyah according to Shia).
Secondly, if Allah saw that people had no interest in his so called divine Imams, making them go into hiding would make things worse because people would lose interest even more. Most Muslims today don't even believe al-`Askari had a son.
Thirdly, according to Shia, the Imam is present to guide the believers out of grace (lutf). If he takes him away then it means Allah has not bestowed upon us his grace making him an unjust god according to Shia. That's why your scholars blame his occultation on the enemies of the Imams who threaten to kill him.
The rest of this post has nothing of interest.
Post#22:
Why didn't the Prophet (pbuh) assemble the Quran??? Why didn't he compile and set it up??? Neither did the first two khalifs do this.
According to your Ayatulla Khu'i, the Prophet (saw) did collect it during his time. We say he didn't, and the main reason was that they were all unlettered, the concentration was on memorizing it and understanding it, otherwise if they just got a book and they relied on it then it was lost, there's no way they can get it back unless they have it memorized. The Qur'an kept being revealed and parts were constantly being abrogated until the death of the Prophet (saw), they couldn't have collected it in its complete form until after his passing. As for the first Khalifah Abu Bakr, he did collect the written Qur'an in its entirety after `Umar advised him to do so, he told him that if people who memorized the Qur'an were to die, then they might lose parts of Allah's book, so they decided to gather all the parchments and tablets while those who memorized it were still alive.
The team even admitted that the forgot that certain verse/s existed. Ref; Sehih Bukhari, volume 6, book 61, narration 509 onwards.
I'll search for this later.
No one has said that the Quran we have with us today is corrupted, these are your words. The Quran is not according to the way it was revealed, how and by what excuse would you hide this???
I assume you're talking about the order of verses, This Qur'an is in this specific order based on the instructions of the Prophet (saw) according to the authentic narration from ibn `Abbas and `Uthman.
It wasn't meant to be in the order of revelation.
We do not believe in Khilaafath because people came in to authority through different means and reasons and used and abused power for their own political agenda and purpose.
Any Nasibi can claim the same thing about `Ali. Also any atheist can claim the same about the Prophet (saw). Leave this dumb method of arguing.
We believe in Imamath and you believe in Khilafath. You want proof of Imamath from the Quran otherwise the alternative is to accept the ridiculous concept of Khilafath, where different people have managed to make their way in to power and got up to all sorts.
We believe in Imamah and Khilafah, the Khalifah of Rasul-Allah (saw) is the Imam of the believers.
The companions were interested in the Quran by saying "Hasbona Kithaballah" but were not interested in what the Prophet (pbuh) had to write down. Because he exactly knew what would be written down. And this really tells a lot about that persons intentions.
Gosh, pen and paper again? Hasn't this been refuted a million times? Okay, I'll tell you what he was going to write, he wanted to write "Abu Bakr is my successor."
Enjoy.
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