confusion about "Refer back to Allah and his Messenger PBUH if a dispute occurs"

[Soccer]

The assumption is that Ulil-Amr would not become Messengers.   But if disputes occur each one of them would and the referral is the Messenger.

A Messenger is not necessarily a Nabi nor vice versa.

[Mythbuster1]

Lets move forward on to the next bit of the verse. Here is the verse again.

"O you who believe! obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority from among you; then if you quarrel about anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you believe in Allah and the last day; this is better and very good in the end. (4:59)"

This is the following bit.

"then if you quarrel about anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger"

Now if you differ/disagree/quarrel over anything then what do you do? "Refer it to Allah and his Messenger". OK. Why didn't Allah just say "Obey those in authority from among you; then if you quarrel about anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger". Then it would be clear and there wouldn't be any confusion.

But Allah has said by starting off with "O you who believe! obey Allah and obey the Messenger". Surely there is a purpose and reason for this. Then Allah mentions the new thing and message "and those in authority from among you".

Allah has clearly mentioned that the obedience towards the Ulul Amre is just as the same as obedience towards Allah and his Messenger s.a.w. Otherwise what's the reason and purpose, what's the logic behind starting off with "O you who believe! obey Allah and obey the Messenger".

Now the confusion is by some and created by some on "then if you quarrel about anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger". Disagree/differ/quarrel about what? About the new message. And that is if you disagree/differ/quarrel on anything regarding the new message, for example who is or are the Ulul Amre etc then refer the matter towards Allah and his Messenger s.a.w.

Because what's the point and purpose of the Ulul Amre and obedience towards them that if you are going to disagree/differ/quarrel over anything then you are going to refer the matter towards Allah and his Messenger s.a.w then just stick to Allah and his Messenger s.a.w to begin with. There is no point, reason or purpose for the Ulul Amre. And obedience towards them goes out of the window.

No offence but when it comes to certain Sunnis they just don't bother with sense and logic and putting it to use.

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You really have to explain your assumptions don’t you😂

This is my point you cannot provide a clear verse instead you are assuming and adding your own theory, 1400 years and only shiites still get it IF you add it in.

Great sense and logic ustaad dimwit, the authority is the divine imams, there you go nothing to it just add your imagination and use the authority for divine imams 😂😂😂😂😂

You have NOTHING else ustaad apart from this!

Great logic by a great ustaad😂👍

[iceman]

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You really have to explain your assumptions don’t you😂

This is my point you cannot provide a clear verse instead you are assuming and adding your own theory, 1400 years and only shiites still get it IF you add it in.

Great sense and logic ustaad dimwit, the authority is the divine imams, there you go nothing to it just add your imagination and use the authority for divine imams 😂😂😂😂😂

You have NOTHING else ustaad apart from this!

Great logic by a great ustaad😂👍

Lol. Lol again. Childish post and childish behaviour.  What's the matter, can't discuss 😊 I know you can't 😊