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General Discussion / Re: Who are you? And who am I?
« Last post by Soccer on January 23, 2022, 03:18:40 PM »
Easily answered by verse of Quran as is my argument against your ASSUMPTIONS!!!!

Quran: 3/7


The Quran shows those with understanding follow the best of Quran. Per hadiths, this is the clear decisive signs which 3:7 says is the origin of the book,

Imam Hussain (a) says what allows tyrants to rule us is that we follow what is unclear and dispute in religion despite there being clear proofs, out of love of dunya.

It can be said, that what is unclear in our heads, has nothing to do with Quran. Because for example, Allah (swt) does not want us to affirm he is One if it's unclear to us. He wants us to know he is One by insights and proofs. He also doesn't want us to rely on conjecture to know he is One.

Since Quran has clarified everything in itself and is decisively clear, how does unclearness exist in it? The fault is of us, if we decide to follow ambiguity from it, it's due to us preferring our own opinions with no proof about Quran, rather then what has clear proofs in Quran and Sunnah.

The Quran is clear, it's a mercy and guidance for those who believe but doesn't increase the oppressors except in loss.

We have been directed to the firmly rooted in knowledge because per another verse, those given the knowledge, the Quran is ALL clear signs to them. Nothing of it is unclear to them.

The Quran is also of many stages, it heightens itself with respect to itself, infinitely loops itself and augments to new levels. This is it's greatest sign that it is from God. How it's guidance amplifies with guidance.

The Quran is a book full of signs, clear proofs, and insights, if we choose to follow an ambiguous interpretation to a key important verse for example 4:59 as opposed to letting the Quran contextualize it, the punishment is rightly the fire forever, unless we repent. This is because 4:59 if the context is divinely appointed leaders from God is linked to submission to him and they would have the similar right as to chosen leaders of the past.

To call a verse ambiguous is a serious sign we don't want to follow it's clear interpretation in Quran and rather impose a meaning to it by our desires.

The importance of leaders appointed by God is emphasized in Quran, so therefore if 4:59 by context of 4:54 means that they are of a structure like Ahlulbayt of Ibrahim (a) and so we are to not envy them but obey them, and we seek to an unproven by Quran interpretation and impose it on the Quran, it becomes befitting of God to lead us astray and not guide us unless we repent.

This is because it's an act of rebellion towards God's favors and chosen ones, which is never accepted by God and all so called righteous deeds in this state will have no value. Rather then acknowledging his favor, we sought to decontextualize the clear context of 4:59 with verses preceding and after.
General Sunni-Shia / Intercession and Tawasul
« Last post by Soccer on January 21, 2022, 02:06:38 PM »

God warning us of hypocrites mentions:

وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمْ تَعَالَوْا يَسْتَغْفِرْ لَكُمْ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ لَوَّوْا رُءُوسَهُمْ وَرَأَيْتَهُمْ يَصُدُّونَ وَهُمْ مُسْتَكْبِرُونَ | When they are told, ‘Come, that Allah’s Messenger may plead for forgiveness for you,’ they twist their heads, and you see them turn away disdainfully. | Al-Munaafiqoon : 5

It's convenient now to make an excuse and say he is dead, so we can't seek his intercession and come to him that he asks forgiveness for us! I will deal with the dead issue later in the post.

وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِنْ رَسُولٍ إِلَّا لِيُطَاعَ بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ ۚ وَلَوْ أَنَّهُمْ إِذْ ظَلَمُوا أَنْفُسَهُمْ جَاءُوكَ فَاسْتَغْفَرُوا اللَّهَ وَاسْتَغْفَرَ لَهُمُ الرَّسُولُ لَوَجَدُوا اللَّهَ تَوَّابًا رَحِيمًا | We did not send any apostle but to be obeyed by Allah’s leave. Had they, when they wronged themselves, come to you and pleaded to Allah for forgiveness, and the Messenger had pleaded for them [to Allah]for forgiveness, they would have surely found Allah all-clement, all-merciful. | An-Nisaa : 64

وَمِنَ الْأَعْرَابِ مَنْ يُؤْمِنُ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَيَتَّخِذُ مَا يُنْفِقُ قُرُبَاتٍ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ وَصَلَوَاتِ الرَّسُولِ ۚ أَلَا إِنَّهَا قُرْبَةٌ لَهُمْ ۚ سَيُدْخِلُهُمُ اللَّهُ فِي رَحْمَتِهِ ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ | Yet among the Bedouins are [also] those who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and regard what they spend as [a means of attaining] nearness to Allah and the blessings of the Messenger. Now, it shall indeed bring them nearness, and Allah will admit them into His mercy. Indeed Allah is all-forgiving, all-merciful. | At-Tawba : 99

خُذْ مِنْ أَمْوَالِهِمْ صَدَقَةً تُطَهِّرُهُمْ وَتُزَكِّيهِمْ بِهَا وَصَلِّ عَلَيْهِمْ ۖ إِنَّ صَلَاتَكَ سَكَنٌ لَهُمْ ۗ وَاللَّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ | Take charity from their possessions to cleanse them and purify them thereby, and bless them. Indeed your blessing is a comfort to them, and Allah is all-hearing, all-knowing. | At-Tawba : 103

Now comes the issue, how does Rasool (s) hear us, the Quran talks about him as a witness to our deeds:

يَعْتَذِرُونَ إِلَيْكُمْ إِذَا رَجَعْتُمْ إِلَيْهِمْ ۚ قُلْ لَا تَعْتَذِرُوا لَنْ نُؤْمِنَ لَكُمْ قَدْ نَبَّأَنَا اللَّهُ مِنْ أَخْبَارِكُمْ ۚ وَسَيَرَى اللَّهُ عَمَلَكُمْ وَرَسُولُهُ ثُمَّ تُرَدُّونَ إِلَىٰ عَالِمِ الْغَيْبِ وَالشَّهَادَةِ فَيُنَبِّئُكُمْ بِمَا كُنْتُمْ تَعْمَلُونَ | They will offer you excuses when you return to them. Say, ‘Do not make excuses; we will never believe you. Allah has informed us of your state of affairs. Allah and His Messenger will observe your conduct, then you will be returned to the Knower of the sensible and the Unseen, and He will inform you concerning what you used to do.’ | At-Tawba : 94

Now the issue comes, did this role stop after his death?

The Quran through a series of verses:

فَإِنْ كُنْتَ فِي شَكٍّ مِمَّا أَنْزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ فَاسْأَلِ الَّذِينَ يَقْرَءُونَ الْكِتَابَ مِنْ قَبْلِكَ ۚ لَقَدْ جَاءَكَ الْحَقُّ مِنْ رَبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الْمُمْتَرِينَ | So if you are in doubt about what We have sent down to you, ask those who recite the Book [revealed] before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord; so do not be among the skeptics. | Yunus : 94

Those who recite the book we will see are not ahlul-Kitab but the Messengers, the Quran also says:

وَاسْأَلْ مَنْ أَرْسَلْنَا مِنْ قَبْلِكَ مِنْ رُسُلِنَا أَجَعَلْنَا مِنْ دُونِ الرَّحْمَٰنِ آلِهَةً يُعْبَدُونَ | Ask those of Our Messengers We have sent before you: Did We set up any gods to be worshipped besides the All-beneficent? | Az-Zukhruf : 45

This is important, because it says he can ask of the Messengers God sent, and it's particularly Musa and his successors, and the proof of that is, if Mohammad (s) was ignorant, he would be required to seek the family of the reminder in terms of miracles and clarification:

وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا قَبْلَكَ إِلَّا رِجَالًا نُوحِي إِلَيْهِمْ ۖ فَاسْأَلُوا أَهْلَ الذِّكْرِ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ لَا تَعْلَمُونَ | We did not send [any apostles] before you except as men to whom We revealed therefore Ask the family of the Reminder if you do not know. | Al-Anbiyaa : 7

The ask Messengers before you shows if Mohammad (s) was in doubt of Tawhid, he can simply get in contact and know the Messengers before him, this is rhetorical, saying Messengers of the past would all confirm tawhid, and not just that, but people if they get contact spiritually with Messengers, they would lead them to the current Guides of the times and confirm Mohammad (s).

The family of the reminder is Mohammad's (s) family, but if it wasn't him who was the last reminder of the time, and him and his people were ignorant, Quran is saying then in this case, they would be required to seek the family of the reminder which would be Moses and Aaron and their holy family. If it was wrong to talk to the Messengers of the past, the rhetorical command would not make sense.

More is to be said, the Quran talking of the sky reality:

وَإِنْ كَانَ كَبُرَ عَلَيْكَ إِعْرَاضُهُمْ فَإِنِ اسْتَطَعْتَ أَنْ تَبْتَغِيَ نَفَقًا فِي الْأَرْضِ أَوْ سُلَّمًا فِي السَّمَاءِ فَتَأْتِيَهُمْ بِآيَةٍ ۚ وَلَوْ شَاءَ اللَّهُ لَجَمَعَهُمْ عَلَى الْهُدَىٰ ۚ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الْجَاهِلِينَ | And should their aversion be hard on you, find, if you can, a tunnel into the ground, or a ladder into sky, that you may bring them a sign. Had Allah wished, He would have brought them together on guidance. So do not be one of the ignorant. | Al-An'aam : 35

This shows if Mohammad (s) can connect people to this reality, he would, but it's not his fault people turn away.

Surah Hijr expands on why he doesn't connect them:

وَلَوْ فَتَحْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ بَابًا مِنَ السَّمَاءِ فَظَلُّوا فِيهِ يَعْرُجُونَ | Were We to open for them a gate of the sky, so that they could go on ascending through it, | Al-Hijr : 14

لَقَالُوا إِنَّمَا سُكِّرَتْ أَبْصَارُنَا بَلْ نَحْنُ قَوْمٌ مَسْحُورُونَ | they would surely say, ‘Indeed a spell has been cast on our eyes; indeed, we are a bewitched lot.’ | Al-Hijr : 15

وَلَقَدْ جَعَلْنَا فِي السَّمَاءِ بُرُوجًا وَزَيَّنَّاهَا لِلنَّاظِرِينَ | Certainly We have made mansions in the sky and adorned them for the onlookers, | Al-Hijr : 16

وَحَفِظْنَاهَا مِنْ كُلِّ شَيْطَانٍ رَجِيمٍ | and We have guarded it from every outcast Satan, | Al-Hijr : 17

إِلَّا مَنِ اسْتَرَقَ السَّمْعَ فَأَتْبَعَهُ شِهَابٌ مُبِينٌ | except someone who may eavesdrop, whereat there pursues him a manifest flame. | Al-Hijr : 18

There are many verses that show the position of the great stars in the sky in this world. This means they are spiritually connected and meant to be seen.

The parable of light also describes the light to be found in houses God permitted to be risen and his name remembered in, and these are the households chosen of the past till now.

Likewise, the Ahlulbayt of Ayub (a) was with him in moments of trial and the likes of them also with him (past Ahlulbayts).
General Discussion / Re: Who are you? And who am I?
« Last post by Soccer on January 18, 2022, 09:35:00 PM »

Also notice "and.." only appears in this reward verse (42:23) as opposed to other reward verses, this is because all other verses are already explaining and defending what Mohammad (s) or a Prophet or a Messenger would be accused of seeking a reward to be really this and that and is not a selfish reward, and so is defending the Prophet (s). 42:23 starts with simply saying all that you accuse him of is in fact "the love" in the kin, and so yes, you are correct, he has authority, obedience is due to him, you must submit to every command he says, etc, and as well his family who will be from the offspring of Fatima share with him that. But if it left it at that, it would not be defending the Prophet (s) so it's saying, yes, he is due to all these things and his family as well, but this a means to do goodness, and God will forgive and appreciate anyone who does this and reward them for this act of goodness (the love in Al-Qurba).
General Discussion / Re: Who are you? And who am I?
« Last post by Soccer on January 18, 2022, 09:26:49 PM »

Something to notice it also says "the love" not simple "love", that is subtle, but that is to say the love in the kin is saying there is a love they are due, and as far as he can be accused of seeking a selfish reward from power authority leadership etc, all that can be said to be nothing but recognizing and loving the position he has for who he is and his family share with him that, but the word "the" suggests there is but one love for every single member of Al-Qurba.

They are all due one single love.
General Discussion / A brief proof why God does not have diverse attributes.
« Last post by Soccer on January 16, 2022, 01:39:00 PM »
When it is acknowledged God is the Ultimate being, it can be proven that God is One with no divisions.

God has attributes that differ from one another from our perspective. But what I mean this, is God is Ultimate essence in which there is no diversity in his essence nor divisions in his attributes, that is to say his attributes refer to the same essence and he is a complete simple unity.

One reason this can be inferred by us lowly creatures, is simply, that if he had diverse attributes, different attributes would lack what is in the other. Then God would be formed of incomplete attributes. We would say God is over all perfect with incomplete attributes, but this would be equating God and putting on par with him incomplete attributes.

God is also Ultimate Life and for love to be ultimate, it must be that God is ultimate love which is ultimate power which is ultimate sight which is ultimate wisdom which is ultimate justice etc.

Now some attributes differ in God in that wrath differs from mercy, and mercy precedes God's wrath, but in reality, this is just application of God with respect to different things. There is no difference, it's the same essence but applied to different scenarios. They differ vastly from our perspective, but are in reality, manifesting the same glory and beauty.

To see diversity in his essence, would make God formed of imperfect attributes and hence God is One with no divisions in his essence. A single essence.

Of course that essence is also something that is filled with all possible glory, beauties, and greatness, and so lacks nothing.
General Discussion / Re: Who are you? And who am I?
« Last post by Soccer on January 16, 2022, 12:07:31 AM »

The blessed Surahs I've quoted from contextualize the way "reward" is used with respect to Messengers missions.  I didn't say they say Ahlulbayt everywhere. They want to explain to people what would be a reward if they are false, is actually, a guidance from God and upon God to do if they are true.

Take for example in Surah Hud, before the mention of Nuh (a) asking reward, it's mentioned he says this:

قَالَ يَا قَوْمِ أَرَأَيْتُمْ إِنْ كُنْتُ عَلَىٰ بَيِّنَةٍ مِنْ رَبِّي وَآتَانِي رَحْمَةً مِنْ عِنْدِهِ فَعُمِّيَتْ عَلَيْكُمْ أَنُلْزِمُكُمُوهَا وَأَنْتُمْ لَهَا كَارِهُونَ

He said, ‘O my people! Tell me, should I stand on a manifest proof from my Lord, and He has granted me His own mercy—though it should be invisible to you—shall we force it upon you while you are averse to it?

This means consider I am on a clear proof, so it's saying, why in this case, it would not be forced upon them to believe and know for certain like day of judgment type signs and proof, but rather, they have to accept out of love.

Then he continues:

وَيَا قَوْمِ لَا أَسْأَلُكُمْ عَلَيْهِ مَالًا ۖ إِنْ أَجْرِيَ إِلَّا عَلَى اللَّهِ ۚ وَمَا أَنَا بِطَارِدِ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا ۚ إِنَّهُمْ مُلَاقُو رَبِّهِمْ وَلَٰكِنِّي أَرَاكُمْ قَوْمًا تَجْهَلُونَ

And o my people, I ask you no wealth regarding it, indeed my reward (you accuse me of) is only upon God (in reality to establish) nor am I going to drive away those who believe for they will meet their Lord but rather I see that you are a people who behave ignorantly.

The preceding verse contextualizes that Prophets (s) do the "consider me true" options. They don't just say "I am true".

After 42:23, it does something similar, it says "Or do they say he has forged it, then..." and this a consider me I am false, then still, God would guide by book + Guides (words of God he would verify with).

This means the context of reward is something God is bringing up because people see false Prophets having benefits for their claim, the Quran says, these benefits if they are false, consider what these selfish rewards would be if they were true and hence not seeking any reward.

It's very clear brother.

They all are said in this spirit. For example, 25:57 is saying that which they would deem a reward if he is false, what is all that, if true, but taking a path to God.

This is the way they are said. And all are MUHKAM (CLEAR) and even more clear when combined.

General Discussion / Re: Who are you? And who am I?
« Last post by Mythbuster1 on January 15, 2022, 07:23:43 PM »

I agree 42:23 is clear, but when people start playing language games, you have to show them they are doing that.

As I've shown, 42:23 is clearly about loving Ahlulbayt (a).

One meaning is obviously clear per contextualization rules of Quran.

If you argue that is the Sunni one, you should show why and how.

But you can't.

Easily answered by verse of Quran as is my argument against your ASSUMPTIONS!!!!

Quran: 3/7

“He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.”

All them blessed surahs you posted have no way or are in anyway explaining reward as meaning ahlu baith……rather that’s your own stupid thinking especially by the way you twist the meaning of surahs to add in your contextual assumption.


Man I think you’ve been smoking pipe too long and now you have visions whereby shaytaan makes you believe in his stupidity of divine imams moving atoms and shooting arrows OMG!!!

Look at your posts they start off with assumptions especially what you dreamt or think because your mind is a dirty cesspit great for the devils to enter and feast on…….as can be seen on this site.


This is where shaytaan comes into your dreams and makes you believe you are seeing sorcerers and magic and light 😂😂😂😂😂😂 honestly you are a straight up DIMWIT!!!
General Discussion / Re: My 3 days with Nabi (a) and the prayer he taught me.
« Last post by Mythbuster1 on January 15, 2022, 07:08:32 PM »
What a load of RUBBISH about time you went and saw a shrink Dimwit
Imamah-Ghaybah / Shiism in Quran nutshell
« Last post by Soccer on January 15, 2022, 03:13:20 PM »

Shiism is based on the following notions:

(1) God continues guidance and leadership in chosen ones after the founders including Mohammad (s) who is the seal of Nabis and associates leaders with every leader.
(2) The succession and chosen ones associated in each other are known as a family of higher type meaning.
(3) Blood and family relationship is favored by God to lessen amount of fake claims to succession and leadership from humans.
(4) There is always an a leader and guide in each era be he hidden or manifest.
(5) The number with respect to covenant taken pertaining by the founder with respect to his successors is always Twelve successors.
(6) The Spiritual station of the household of revelation of the time is such that they weapons against Iblis forces and there in the higher realms (sky) for people to look at, approach, and seek God's sustenance from their luminosity and power.

This was the Creed of Ibrahim (a), and creed of Musa (a) and the religion never changes. Twelver Shiism has been the religion in all times - with a chosen Ahlulbayt in every time.

All these are emphasized in Quran. I will go details of each one.
General Discussion / Re: Who are you? And who am I?
« Last post by Soccer on January 14, 2022, 02:16:03 PM »

So there is 13 Surahs to contextualize the 13 phrases (one the phrases is repeated many times in Surah Poets and of them twice in two different Surahs).

And with Al-Qurba, there is also many verses about chosen families through out Quran and it also links to Dul-Qurba and Ulul-Qurba along Messenger (s) and God with respect to Khums.

There is no excuse thus by Quran by Quran, to not see Ahlulbayt (a) clearly for the position God has given them.
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