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Kalaam

'Relationship Between Sahaba and Ahlul Bayt' by Ibn Ahmad
« on: August 31, 2016, 10:54:56 AM »
Articles of Ibn Ahmad in the form of a book with minor modification (still in process).

https://app.box.com/s/uahx5nm9skpyfaa8xy6l6pprkqtv1ts3

taha taha

Re: 'Relationship Between Sahaba and Ahlul Bayt' by Ibn Ahmad
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2016, 11:06:51 AM »
Mashallah.
I could nt download it as not a member of box.
If someone can put it somewhere else once its finished.
Its a shame we have to write books like this to get our message across.
Then they still stay on their misguided path.


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Re: 'Relationship Between Sahaba and Ahlul Bayt' by Ibn Ahmad
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2016, 07:23:28 PM »
May Allah reward you brother Kalaam for compiling those articles.

One problem: I see some chapter titles start in the bottom of the page. Please move them to the next page with paragraphs. Check pg. 196 to see what I am talking about. The chapter title Virtues of Ahlebayt narrated by Umar should be in the next page with the paragraphs.

در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

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Hani

Re: 'Relationship Between Sahaba and Ahlul Bayt' by Ibn Ahmad
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2016, 02:51:28 AM »
Salam,

Seems great! welcome back to the forums brother kalaam!
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Kalaam

Re: 'Relationship Between Sahaba and Ahlul Bayt' by Ibn Ahmad
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2018, 11:43:51 PM »
Wa alaikum assalam brother Hani

Thank you.

Kalaam

Re: 'Relationship Between Sahaba and Ahlul Bayt' by Ibn Ahmad
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2018, 11:48:59 PM »

iceman

Re: 'Relationship Between Sahaba and Ahlul Bayt' by Ibn Ahmad
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2018, 11:50:52 PM »
Still desperately trying to prove that everything was sugar, candy and honey between that Sahaba and the Ahle Bayth.

Kalaam

Re: 'Relationship Between Sahaba and Ahlul Bayt' by Ibn Ahmad
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2018, 11:53:47 PM »
If there were nuclear wars between the two, why did they inter-married more than anyone else? For the sake of few narrations, you are ignoring the huge part of facts. This is insane.

iceman

Re: 'Relationship Between Sahaba and Ahlul Bayt' by Ibn Ahmad
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2018, 12:46:14 AM »
If there were nuclear wars between the two, why did they inter-married more than anyone else? For the sake of few narrations, you are ignoring the huge part of facts. This is insane.

They inter married and still this happened. If they didn't then God knows what would have happened. 😊 Never mind about inter marriage, nothing can stop jealousy and hatred. They were both Adam's sons weren't they. Look what happened between them. And look what Joseph's brothers did to him. I can give you many more examples.

Noor-us-Sunnah

Re: 'Relationship Between Sahaba and Ahlul Bayt' by Ibn Ahmad
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2018, 01:56:21 AM »
They inter married and still this happened. If they didn't then God knows what would have happened. 😊 Never mind about inter marriage, nothing can stop jealousy and hatred. They were both Adam's sons weren't they. Look what happened between them. And look what Joseph's brothers did to him. I can give you many more examples.

It's like comparing apples with oranges. You are comparing the relationships in which humans are not given any choice(siblings) with relationships where people have free will to make a choice(marriages). Yusuf(as) wasn't given a choice of being related to his brothers. Whereas, Ali(ra) had free choice in marrying  his daughter with Umar(ra) or not. Or Prophet(saws) had free choice in l marrying his two biological daughters to Uthaman(ra)

Rationalist

Re: 'Relationship Between Sahaba and Ahlul Bayt' by Ibn Ahmad
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2018, 08:43:16 PM »
Still desperately trying to prove that everything was sugar, candy and honey between that Sahaba and the Ahle Bayth.

As if your 12th Imam will bring in a better time and fix everything.

iceman

Re: 'Relationship Between Sahaba and Ahlul Bayt' by Ibn Ahmad
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2018, 12:50:26 AM »
As if your 12th Imam will bring in a better time and fix everything.

Never mind about the 12th Imam, Mahdi most certainly will. And he is your proof that things are going to get much more worse before a saviour (Mahdi) is sent. From Saqifa Caliphate messed things up badly. That's were the problem began. The sooner you accept reality and facts the better.

Mythbuster1

Re: 'Relationship Between Sahaba and Ahlul Bayt' by Ibn Ahmad
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2018, 02:37:04 AM »
Never mind about the 12th Imam, Mahdi most certainly will. And he is your proof that things are going to get much more worse before a saviour (Mahdi) is sent. From Saqifa Caliphate messed things up badly. That's were the problem began. The sooner you accept reality and facts the better.

Rather have saqifa all day everyday  rather than follow some hidden fake geezer in a cave and fool the masses.😜

Rationalist

Re: 'Relationship Between Sahaba and Ahlul Bayt' by Ibn Ahmad
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2018, 04:36:12 AM »
Never mind about the 12th Imam, Mahdi most certainly will. And he is your proof that things are going to get much more worse before a saviour (Mahdi) is sent.
This is very similar to the Jewish concept of the end of times. Things are going to get worst then he is going to come. The Mahdi is no super human. The 12er Shia and the Jews both faced centuries of persecution and as a result they began to lose their rationality. Then in order to relieve themselves at harsh times they began to dreaming about a romantic figure who will one day come and save them.
Brother I am not the one who needs to wake up. The Mahdi will be no different than the earlier Imams who ruled. Under Imam Ali (as) majority of the Shias were closer in aqeeda to Sunnis. So when a Mahdi comes, he will not be able to unify the ummah into one way of thinking. Instead to lead he will give every Muslim freedom. This Shia/Rafidah/Sunni schools who outlive the Mahdi and exist till the end of time. If the madhabs outlived the 11 imams, then there should be no problem believing they will outlive the 12th imam.


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From Saqifa Caliphate messed things up badly. That's were the problem began. The sooner you accept reality and facts the better.
That's why Sahaba like Ammar bin Yassir and Salman Farsi worked under these administrators? That's why Ammar Yassir fought under the Caliphate of Abi Bakr and lost his ear? Your takfiri mentally has misguided you.

Don't expect things to be conflict free if Imam Ali (as) became the first Calipah. The Karbala which came later would only occur soon.

iceman

Re: 'Relationship Between Sahaba and Ahlul Bayt' by Ibn Ahmad
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2018, 05:14:55 AM »
Rather have saqifa all day everyday  rather than follow some hidden fake geezer in a cave and fool the masses.😜

So who's Allah fooling by keeping Jesus and Khizar in hiding if we go by your ideology? Any explanation to why and what for are Jesus and Khizar in occultation? Lost for words as usual when this is mentioned. You can have the coincidental and hasty decision of Saqifa for breakfast, lunch and dinner as far as I'm concerned. The mess it brought within the Ummah and the bad name it gave to Islam and the Muslims can't be washed away. Keep on amusing and entertaining yourself.

muslim720

Re: 'Relationship Between Sahaba and Ahlul Bayt' by Ibn Ahmad
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2018, 06:19:31 AM »
So who's Allah fooling by keeping Jesus and Khizar in hiding if we go by your ideology?

Faulty comparison! 

Quoting from the book edited by one of my favorite scholars, Seyyed Hossein Nasr, who happens to be Shia and from Iran (since you have never heard me speak positively about Iran and Shias), the world cannot remain without an Imam.  And that in the event such a thing happens, the Qur'an would die.  That, however, is not the argument that Islam makes, neither for Imams (ra) nor for 'Isa (asws) or Khidr (as).

The book reads, "Mulla Sadra wrote: 'The earth can never be devoid of an Imam, a Guide for every era.  Otherwise the Qur'an would die, owing to the death of those who support it.' "

https://books.google.com/books?id=m0GY_gNBqJkC&pg=PA178&lpg=PA178&dq=can+the+world+remain+without+imam&source=bl&ots=ayvyXa3bZM&sig=-3l8mWy5vtJklCdLHhMa8XorJg4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjluYmC_9jYAhVCGt8KHfvbCUsQ6AEILTAB#v=onepage&q=can%20the%20world%20remain%20without%20imam&f=false  (scroll to page 178)

« Last Edit: January 15, 2018, 06:20:50 AM by muslim720 »

Mythbuster1

Re: 'Relationship Between Sahaba and Ahlul Bayt' by Ibn Ahmad
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2018, 03:17:10 PM »
So who's Allah fooling by keeping Jesus and Khizar in hiding if we go by your ideology? Any explanation to why and what for are Jesus and Khizar in occultation? Lost for words as usual when this is mentioned. You can have the coincidental and hasty decision of Saqifa for breakfast, lunch and dinner as far as I'm concerned. The mess it brought within the Ummah and the bad name it gave to Islam and the Muslims can't be washed away. Keep on amusing and entertaining yourself.

Astaghfirullah look at your language may Allah swt guide you.You’ve been fooled by shaitaans boy Ibn Saba.only a devil would use such language of arrogance, maybe you are one.🤔

Allah swt doesn’t need to fool no one you simpleton, that’s your job to NOT be foolish like believing in hidden beings and divinity blessed humans.
Because of your false beliefs you will stoop to such levels??

Alhamdulillah for being Sunni 😊

You foolish man, Allah swt hasn’t HIDDEN ISA as, He is not in occultation (hiding from view), He Isa as is in heaven..........your fake made up imam is supposed be hiding on earth......his deputies HID him for fear of being killed.

Allah swt has definitely made YOU A FOOL for comparing the two.

The mess what Ibn Saba left is CLEAR to see........following hidden beings, believing in atom moving humans oh yea and for giving the Muslim world the FIRST MODERN DAY TERRORIST SUICIDE BOMBERS................The Islamic Dawa Party's car bombing of the Iraqi embassy in Beirut in December 1981 and Hezbollah's bombing of the U.S. embassy in April 1983 and attack on United States Marine and French barracks in October 1983 brought suicide bombings international attention. Other parties to the civil war were quick to adopt the tactic, and by 1999 factions such as Hezbollah, the Amal Movement, the Ba'ath Party, and the Syrian Social Nationalist Party had carried out around 50 suicide bombings between them. (The latter of these groups sent the first recorded female suicide bomber in 1985.)

And now look at the Shiite militias on killing sprees in Syria Iraq Lebanon and wilayah faqih government of Iran killing Sunnis still even after massacring them and forcefully converting them a couple of centuries back.

Look how LOW you have stooped to astaghfirullah using such language for the Almighty swt.......that can only be the outcome of following a minority sect believing in superhuman men moving atoms.......FOOLS!

iceman

Re: 'Relationship Between Sahaba and Ahlul Bayt' by Ibn Ahmad
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2018, 07:05:16 PM »
Astaghfirullah look at your language may Allah swt guide you.You’ve been fooled by shaitaans boy Ibn Saba.only a devil would use such language of arrogance, maybe you are one.🤔

Allah swt doesn’t need to fool no one you simpleton, that’s your job to NOT be foolish like believing in hidden beings and divinity blessed humans.
Because of your false beliefs you will stoop to such levels??

Alhamdulillah for being Sunni 😊

You foolish man, Allah swt hasn’t HIDDEN ISA as, He is not in occultation (hiding from view), He Isa as is in heaven..........your fake made up imam is supposed be hiding on earth......his deputies HID him for fear of being killed.

Allah swt has definitely made YOU A FOOL for comparing the two.

The mess what Ibn Saba left is CLEAR to see........following hidden beings, believing in atom moving humans oh yea and for giving the Muslim world the FIRST MODERN DAY TERRORIST SUICIDE BOMBERS................The Islamic Dawa Party's car bombing of the Iraqi embassy in Beirut in December 1981 and Hezbollah's bombing of the U.S. embassy in April 1983 and attack on United States Marine and French barracks in October 1983 brought suicide bombings international attention. Other parties to the civil war were quick to adopt the tactic, and by 1999 factions such as Hezbollah, the Amal Movement, the Ba'ath Party, and the Syrian Social Nationalist Party had carried out around 50 suicide bombings between them. (The latter of these groups sent the first recorded female suicide bomber in 1985.)

And now look at the Shiite militias on killing sprees in Syria Iraq Lebanon and wilayah faqih government of Iran killing Sunnis still even after massacring them and forcefully converting them a couple of centuries back.

Look how LOW you have stooped to astaghfirullah using such language for the Almighty swt.......that can only be the outcome of following a minority sect believing in superhuman men moving atoms.......FOOLS!

Don't try and miss quote and interpret what I said. Steady on there. One by one and one step at a time boys. I will deal with all your concerns and queries.

zaid_ibn_ali

Re: 'Relationship Between Sahaba and Ahlul Bayt' by Ibn Ahmad
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2018, 08:46:54 PM »
Don't try and miss quote and interpret what I said. Steady on there. One by one and one step at a time boys. I will deal with all your concerns and queries.

You always ask us to point out the issue & then say you will answer. But then you run away. Like the 12 rep thread. Like the post where you claim shias saved Islam & Islam only prospered under shia.

Where are your replies to these questions?

You are obviously following the cowardly imaginary Imam hiding in the cave.


iceman

Re: 'Relationship Between Sahaba and Ahlul Bayt' by Ibn Ahmad
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2018, 10:19:53 PM »
You always ask us to point out the issue & then say you will answer. But then you run away. Like the 12 rep thread. Like the post where you claim shias saved Islam & Islam only prospered under shia.

Where are your replies to these questions?

You are obviously following the cowardly imaginary Imam hiding in the cave.

How the hell do you expect me to put up with all of you and then you bringing in other issues and matters which are completely irrelevant to the thread and what is being discussed. Like I said, one at a time and one step at a time. Now if you're interested and want some answers then who's first? Only one step forward and the rest keep out until we're done. Then the next one can step forward.

 

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