The reason why you're harsh with me is because you're finding me difficult to handle. You get irritated and angry that's why you come up with counter arguments based on tit for tat just to hang in there.
Yes, I find it hard to deal with your stupidity. I have never encountered anyone with as many idiotic posts as you. I never thought I'd say this but you have overtaken Link as the single most stupid user on this forum.
Stick to the subject. Who are the rebels that were responsible for the killing of Usman? That's what we're discussing.
The identity of the rebels was not what I was discussing. I am only proving to you the inconsistency and lack of coherence in your beliefs and the fact that the Imams (ra) - if we apply your beliefs and standards - were consistently overpowered by other Companions (ra).
Imam Ali (ra) did not have the Caliphate so he had to submit to Abu Bakr (ra). Then you turn around and say that Imam Hassan (ra), too, submitted to Muawiya (for the well-being of the Ummah). Abu Bakr (ra), Muawiya, etc, must have had some super powers to nullify the power of those who had control over the atoms.
You believe Ali was on Haq? Finally.
Now you are playing dumb because you do not wish to comment on the dichotomies within your beliefs I have been pressing you on.
WE GAVE BLOOD and still do.
Not my problem that you, in a state of blinded frenzy, hit yourselves with blades, knives and chains. If you were civilized, you would have not turned into worldwide mockery.
I'm mentioned to you Hassan's position and the circumstances surrounding it. I've also mentioned Ali and Hussein's position and situation. I don't like repeating myself. Refer to my posts.
...and I have repeatedly poked holes in your explanations which you fail to address.
Who was right: Imam Ali (ra) for fighting Muawiya OR Imam Hassan (ra) for making peace with Muawiya? If you say that Imam Hassan (ra) saved lives by making peace then you are accusing Imam Ali (ra) of contributing to bloodshed by not backing out.
Allah knows and knew everything so why did he create mankind all over again when he said to the angels that I am going to make a Caliph on earth and the angels responded by saying that they will be the cause of bloodshed by fighting each other.
What Allah (swt) Did and Willed is in the Qur'an. We do not even have the identity, let alone qualities and powers, of your Imams (ra) in the Qur'an.
First you not only defend but honour Muawiya and now you claim Sunnis believe Ali was on Haq and you honour Muawiya who happens to be on batil.
Now you will know why I call you every name in the book. If you were smart, you would have noticed I never put "ra" after mentioning Muawiya. That is my personal opinion. Secondly, I am highlighting Muawiya's achievements to burn you. I say he overpowered Imam Hassan (ra) to stick it to you. Our beliefs, shaped by the Qur'an and Sunnah, can allow for Imam Hassan (ra) to make peace with Muawiya. Your obscure theology leaves no reason why an infallible Imam, who is also the Caliph of the time, should make peace with Muawiya. And we see that at every turn, Muawiya outdid your Imam, lol.
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Okay, dimwit, so we can say Muawiya's credit history was pretty bad, per your claim. And who knew this better than Imam Hassan (ra), staying with your beliefs. Then why did Imam Hassan (ra) still give the Caliphate to such a man? Why?
That is why I say Muawiya blanked your Imams (ra), lol!
If it was cricket, and co-incidentally you believe in 12 Imams (ra), lol, its like Muawiya got them all out for duck!