Ibn Abbas

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Salam Aylikoum

Acording to shias, In our hadith

Aisha represents "the clan" of Abou Bakr

Ibn Omar "the clan" of Omar

Abou Hourayra "the clan" of Muawiya.

But I don't understand why they don't consider Ibn Abbas like the representative of  the clan of Ali in our Hadith?

He was not the right arm man of Ali?

And why they dont' like him? He was not an Ahlou lBayt?

Someone can respond because I don't undestand their point of view about Ibn Abbas. One of the major narrator in our hadith.

[Ibn Yahya]

They say that ibn 'Abbas mixed truth with falsehood (even though they narrate from him in their Ahadith), they say this because he narrates a lot of Ahadith that don't support their Manhaj and also he's not one of the Sahabis that didn't apostate according to their ahadith.

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But what is he doing concretelty?

He has said "Hello" to Mouawiya ?

[Rationalist]

History shows that he withdrew from Ali's camp due to a disagreement. Since 12ers believe Ali is infallible and divinely appointed they had to make takfir against Abdullah ibn Abbas. Now there are some 12er and even Zaidi who censor this area of history because it weakens their claims.

[Hani]

Al-Hasan had the same opinions as Ibn `Abbas from what I've seen but he couldn't leave his father's side. Similar thing with `Abdullah bin `Amr bin al-`Aas who remained by his father even though he disagreed with everything they did.

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Sahit,

But He was with Ali during battle of siffin?

And what is the exact reason why he leaves Ali?

And you know the reason why Shias they don't acttack him very  much like they defame Aisha, Mouawiya, etc...?

[scusemyenglish]

sorry for my ingenous quesions.  I have discover shiism 6 month ago 

[Rationalist]

Al-Hasan had the same opinions as Ibn `Abbas from what I've seen but he couldn't leave his father's side. Similar thing with `Abdullah bin `Amr bin al-`Aas who remained by his father even though he disagreed with everything they did.

No they weren't on the same opinion. Imam Ali (as) himself withdrew from the Caliphate initially due to his fear of instability. Likewise, Imam Hassan (as) did the same.

[Rationalist]

Sahit,

But He was with Ali during battle of siffin?

And what is the exact reason why he leaves Ali?

And you know the reason why Shias they don't acttack him very  much like they defame Aisha, Mouawiya, etc...?

They had the same goal in defeating Muawiyah. However, Muawiyah was winning people over, and now Ali's camp were feeling the frustration. In  this era, many people used to complain to Imam Ali (as) that Abdullah ibn Abbas was very harsh, and Imam Ali (as) would advise him not to be harsh. Plus he took some money from the treasury, which I believe he had good intentions for to use against Muawiyah's camp. However, Imam Ali (as) told him to return the money, and that's when Abdullah bin Abbas lost it and left Imam Ali's (as) camp. In the end, Abdullah ibn Abbas felt sidelined by Imam Ali (as) because Ali would not let him carry his own decisions.

And you know the reason why Shias they don't acttack him very  much like they defame Aisha, Mouawiya, etc...?

Ayesha and Muawiyah were never pro Ali, but Abdullah ibn Abbas was connected to the Hashimis.
Ayesha had the in law/ step family relation, and Muawiyah was an opponent of the Hashimi tribe.

The 12ers on the contrary, see it all as one group when it wasn't.

[scusemyenglish]

Sahit,

But He was with Ali during battle of siffin?

And what is the exact reason why he leaves Ali?

And you know the reason why Shias they don't acttack him very  much like they defame Aisha, Mouawiya, etc...?

They had the same goal in defeating Muawiyah. However, Muawiyah was winning people over, and now Ali's camp were feeling the frustration. In  this era, many people used to complain to Imam Ali (as) that Abdullah ibn Abbas was very harsh, and Imam Ali (as) would advise him not to be harsh. Plus he took some money from the treasury, which I believe he had good intentions for to use against Muawiyah's camp. However, Imam Ali (as) told him to return the money, and that's when Abdullah bin Abbas lost it and left Imam Ali's (as) camp. In the end, Abdullah ibn Abbas felt sidelined by Imam Ali (as) because Ali would not let him carry his own decisions.

And you know the reason why Shias they don't acttack him very  much like they defame Aisha, Mouawiya, etc...?

Ayesha and Muawiyah were never pro Ali, but Abdullah ibn Abbas was connected to the Hashimis.
Ayesha had the in law/ step family relation, and Muawiyah was an opponent of the Hashimi tribe.

The 12ers on the contrary, see it all as one group when it wasn't.

... It's sad for Ali

Sahit.

 And we know it's in witch books?

[Rationalist]

History of Tabari is all translated and it is very good.

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History of Tabari is all translated and it is very good.

And Shia hatred Ibn Abbas since "history of Tabari"?

[Rationalist]

And Shia hatred Ibn Abbas since "history of Tabari"?

Not sure what sources they use. There was a clip where Yassir Habib cursed him. On the contrary, there is a letter in Najh Al balagha which covers this area of history.

[scusemyenglish]

it"s whatever.

In our books I thinks Omar was often very harsh with his "employees" (even if it's his sons) while we don't make the takfir of all this !

Honnetly i'm very disgusted to learn they make te takfir Of Ibn Abbas . It's too mutch

[scusemyenglish]

Can we say that Ibn Abbas is the diposirary of hadith from Ali or not? (because he was young during the life of the messengers saws so he couldn't learn dirrectly from Him)

Like that we have more of 1000 hadith linked to Ali in our Books