Q: Is it morally and traditionally permissible for a man of 32 to marry of woman who is barely 17 years old?
A: Why not: The prophet(p.), our role model, married Aisha when she wad 10 years old while he was 53 years. If both parties accept the marriage than there is nothing wrong with it."
إِنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ ص دَخَلَ بِعَائِشَةَ وَ هِيَ بِنْتُ عَشْرِ سِنِينَ وَ لَيْسَ يُدْخَلُ بِالْجَارِيَةِ حَتَّى تَكُونَ امْرَأَةً
“The Prophet صلى الله عليه وآله entered upon (had sexual intercourse with) `Aa’ishah when she was 10 years old, and that one doesn’t enter (upon) a jaariyah (girl) until she became a woman.”
Source:
1. Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol.7, pg. 388, hadeeth # 1
2. Al-Toosi, Tahdheeb Al-aHkaam, vol. 6, ch. 91, pg. 251, hadeeth # 49
3. Al-`Aamilee, Wasaa’il Al-Shee`ah, vol. 1, ch. 4, pg. 44, hadeeth # 75
Grading:
1. Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is SaHeeH
è Mir’aat Al-`Uqool, vol. 24, pg. 235
2. Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is SaHeeH Mawqoof (Authentic Halted)
è Milaadh Al-Akhyaar, vol. 10, pg. 102
In this context, when the word “dakhala” (entered) is used, it is used as a nice way of saying “intercourse”. As you can see that the Prophet صلى الله عليه وآله was married with `Aa’ishah by the time she was 10 years for sure, since it says he “entered upon” `Aa’ishah.
Response from Gibril Haddad: http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=4604&CATE=1
Response on Wiki Islam (uses Gibril Haddad's arguments):
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Refutation_to_Muslim_Apologetics_against_Aisha%27s_Age_of_Consummation
Response from Ayman b. Khaalid (the best article): http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CFoQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ahlalhdeeth.com%2Fvb%2Fattachment.php%3Fattachmentid%3D59353%26d%3D1219927832&ei=ygcjUO3oD6WMygGAz4DICQ&usg=AFQjCNE-HLjkDmaLAsKyooy14CDU3pczkg
The fact that our sources don't seem to make a big deal about this clearly shows that they didn't think it was anything particularly strange to make much mention of. It seems pretty clear that back then the norm was that once a girl entered into puberty, even before puberty, she was to be married and delaying it further than that was looked down upon. So if, as the above narration clearly states, the Prophet (pbuh) was married to Aisha at a young age, this was pretty normal. I mean, just look at these narrations on the matter:
believing that the Prophet (peace be upon him) was a pedophile
The only reason people say this is because of Nawasib like you that say that he WAS a pedophile. Pedophilia is an old man marrying a pre-pubescent girl. Thankfully, the fact is that `Aisha was between the age of 17-20, i.e. a fully grown woman. You actually have a Pedophile prophet. The real Muhammad (sawa) was no such thing, but you invented an alternative Muhammed that marries 6 year olds and is a mass murdering terrorist. May Allah (swt) protect the reputation of the real Muhammad (sawa) from slanderous accusations like the ones the Nawasbi make up.
I wouldn't have a problem if the marriage took place at age 9/10/11 so long as maturity had been reached (baligh).
Nawasib say that Aisha was married at the age of 6 (before 9, and probably before menstruation). This is where I have the issue. The minimum marriage age is 9 or menstruation.
Anyways, Aisha was a divorced lady. So if she had been married, lost her virginity, got divorced, and then married Muhammed all by the age of 6, yeah, something is clearly wrong. No wonder she turned out to be so messed up later in life ;)
Or, we can take the Shi'i perspective in that she was married past the age of maturity (be it 10 or 17 or whatever), in which case she was just a bad person not due to childhood trauma.
Taha reminds me a little of myself when I was stuck in Rafidism.
The more doubts he has, the more angry he gets, and the more abusive he will become ;D
Allah yihdee
And, when you're addressing one of the Mother of the Believers, do so with respect.
And, when you're addressing one of the Mother of the Believers, do so with respect.
Is Talha a believer?
After the martyrdom of the Holy Prophet (sawa), Aisha married Talha, her cousin. So, either;
Aisha is not Umm al-Momineen.
Talha is not a momen.
Aisha and Talha committed incest.
Your choice ;D
Is Talha a believer?
After the martyrdom of the Holy Prophet (sawa), Aisha married Talha, her cousin. So, either;
Aisha is not Umm al-Momineen.
Talha is not a momen.
Aisha and Talha committed incest.
Is Talha a believer?
After the martyrdom of the Holy Prophet (sawa), Aisha married Talha, her cousin. So, either;
Aisha is not Umm al-Momineen.
Talha is not a momen.
Aisha and Talha committed incest.
Your information is not historically accurate bro.
According to our narrations how old was Fatima (RA) when she married Ali (RA)?
Quote from: Ebn Hussein on Today at 01:26:06 AM
Nine, as per Tabaqat al-Kubra.
Quote from: Ebn Hussein on Today at 01:26:06 AM
As for the dumb Rafidi Taha (Dhalala rather). He didn't even reaise that:
1. The marriage was CONSUMMATED when she was nine (something the retard said he has no issues with)
2. Authentic Shia narrations state that the marriage was consummated when she was 10.
Quote from: Ebn Hussein on Today at 01:26:06 AM
perverted and sick hatred for the honour of the Prophet, the wife of the Prophet, Umm Al-Mu'minin 'Aisha.
Your information is not historically accurate bro.
Which part? About Talha marrying Aisha? It's based on hadeeth, bro. Whether or not they are authentic, the fact is that somebody believed it was true enough to narrate. Was that person as Sunni or Shia?
Your information is not historically accurate bro.
Which part? About Talha marrying Aisha? It's based on hadeeth, bro. Whether or not they are authentic, the fact is that somebody believed it was true enough to narrate. Was that person as Sunni or Shia?
Great way of putting things. The fact is:None of this bothers me.
- shia scholars said Abdullah bin Saba is the first person who belief in hocus pocus shia imamah
- shia scholar said majority of shia fuqaha & respected figures believed the next imam is not musa al kazim, but abdullah and then believe in musa, so your imam are 13 not 12 ;D
- there are 10 groups of shia who didnt believe hasan al askari had a son, so yeah what can i say
Great way of putting things. The fact is:None of this bothers me.
- shia scholars said Abdullah bin Saba is the first person who belief in hocus pocus shia imamah
- shia scholar said majority of shia fuqaha & respected figures believed the next imam is not musa al kazim, but abdullah and then believe in musa, so your imam are 13 not 12 ;D
- there are 10 groups of shia who didnt believe hasan al askari had a son, so yeah what can i say
You guys are the ones that get so offended when someone shows something in Sunni history that touches a nerve.
Great way of putting things. The fact is:None of this bothers me.
- shia scholars said Abdullah bin Saba is the first person who belief in hocus pocus shia imamah
- shia scholar said majority of shia fuqaha & respected figures believed the next imam is not musa al kazim, but abdullah and then believe in musa, so your imam are 13 not 12 ;D
- there are 10 groups of shia who didnt believe hasan al askari had a son, so yeah what can i say
You guys are the ones that get so offended when someone shows something in Sunni history that touches a nerve.
I realize both that Sunni narrations say that the marriage was consummated at nine and that Shia narrations say at ten. Why do you think I don't realize it? I merely have a different opinion.
I said that if she was marriage and consummated at six, this is pedophilia.
There are also narrations that `Ali divorced Aisha from Muhammad (sawa) after his death. Are ex-wives also mothers of the believers?
Only in the most retarded religion on earth i.e. Imamite Shi'ism a non-mahram man can divorce the wife of another man. In no religion, let alone Islam there is such a thing. Maybe in the Jewish religion or Kabbala sect or your Karbala sect, after all your useless house dwelling fallibles were whispering Hebrew prayers (whilst wailing), like proper Jewish Rabbis. Yes, maybe in your religion, not in Islam tough.
doesnt matter, you said "the fact is that somebody believed it was true enough"
So im giving you the taste of your own medicine mate
Only in the most retarded religion on earth i.e. Imamite Shi'ism a non-mahram man can divorce the wife of another man. In no religion, let alone Islam there is such a thing. Maybe in the Jewish religion or Kabbala sect or your Karbala sect, after all your useless house dwelling fallibles were whispering Hebrew prayers (whilst wailing), like proper Jewish Rabbis. Yes, maybe in your religion, not in Islam tough.
Congratulations on showing your kufr. You aren't even a Sunni because Sunnis respect Ali b. Abi Talib (pbuh). You might as well be a Jew of Khaybar, whom Ali (as) destroyed.
doesnt matter, you said "the fact is that somebody believed it was true enough"
So im giving you the taste of your own medicine mate
I don't get offended over differences of opinion. Sunnis do. If I say Aisha committed incest, Sunnis will blow up. If an Ibadi curses Imam Ali (pbuh), I pray for their guidance. Big difference ;)
Only in the most retarded religion on earth i.e. Imamite Shi'ism a non-mahram man can divorce the wife of another man. In no religion, let alone Islam there is such a thing. Maybe in the Jewish religion or Kabbala sect or your Karbala sect, after all your useless house dwelling fallibles were whispering Hebrew prayers (whilst wailing), like proper Jewish Rabbis. Yes, maybe in your religion, not in Islam tough.
Congratulations on showing your kufr. You aren't even a Sunni because Sunnis respect Ali b. Abi Talib (pbuh). You might as well be a Jew of Khaybar, whom Ali (as) destroyed.
All Sunnis are kuffar for you, come on, I thought you dont practise taqiya anymoreKuffar na'ini. Not Kuffar akbar. Muslimeen but not Momineen.
Remember my Imams are not your Imams. My blessed Ja'far (AS) is not your house dwelling Munafiq. My Sajjad was not your Sajjad etc. let alone my hero Ali Ibn Abi Talib (AS). Your Imams are fictional and useless of course.Ali b. Abi Talib is a historical person.
All Sunnis are kuffar for you, come on, I thought you dont practise taqiya anymoreKuffar na'ini. Not Kuffar akbar. Muslimeen but not Momineen.
Big difference. Only a Kafir akbar insults Ali b. Abi Talib.
here we go again, taqiya on. Hes doing taqiya even when hes saying he doesnt practise taqiyah :oI am not doing taqiyyah. Stop playing.
All Sunnis are kuffar for you, come on, I thought you dont practise taqiya anymoreKuffar na'ini. Not Kuffar akbar. Muslimeen but not Momineen.
Big difference. Only a Kafir akbar insults Ali b. Abi Talib.
Remember my Imams are not your Imams. My blessed Ja'far (AS) is not your house dwelling Munafiq. My Sajjad was not your Sajjad etc. let alone my hero Ali Ibn Abi Talib (AS). Your Imams are fictional and useless of course.Ali b. Abi Talib is a historical person.
Hassan b. Ali is a historical person.
Husayn b. Ali is a historical person.
Zayn Al Abidin is a historical person.
Muhammad Al Baqir is a historical person.
Ja'far Al Sadiq is a historical person.
Peace be upon them all.
If you insult them, you are a kafir, plain and simple.
Remember my Imams are not your Imams. My blessed Ja'far (AS) is not your house dwelling Munafiq. My Sajjad was not your Sajjad etc. let alone my hero Ali Ibn Abi Talib (AS). Your Imams are fictional and useless of course.Ali b. Abi Talib is a historical person.
Hassan b. Ali is a historical person.
Husayn b. Ali is a historical person.
Zayn Al Abidin is a historical person.
Muhammad Al Baqir is a historical person.
Ja'far Al Sadiq is a historical person.
Peace be upon them all.
If you insult them, you are a kafir, plain and simple.
No Wallah, my Mahdi is not your Jewish 12th saviour. Same as for my Ali. My Ali praised Abu Bakr and Omar even after their death, yours cursed them (in his house while whispering Hebrew prayers like a Rabbi). Hence:
Only a Nasibi curses the blessed Ahl Al-Bayt (AS)
And only a Nasibi (or extreme ignorant jahil) believes that the kufri twelver religion represents the Ahl Al-Bayt (AS).
Quote,
"What if Sunnies started acting like you guys and said only a Kafir insults Abu Bakr, and thus all of you become Kouffar?"
Well our dear brother Ebn Hussein has gone way beyond this. He believes that Shiaism is the religion of Satan and the religion of Shirk as well. He already believes that all twelver Shia are Kafir.
here we go again, taqiya on. Hes doing taqiya even when hes saying he doesnt practise taqiyah :oI am not doing taqiyyah. Stop playing.
Remember my Imams are not your Imams. My blessed Ja'far (AS) is not your house dwelling Munafiq. My Sajjad was not your Sajjad etc. let alone my hero Ali Ibn Abi Talib (AS). Your Imams are fictional and useless of course.Ali b. Abi Talib is a historical person.
Hassan b. Ali is a historical person.
Husayn b. Ali is a historical person.
Zayn Al Abidin is a historical person.
Muhammad Al Baqir is a historical person.
Ja'far Al Sadiq is a historical person.
Peace be upon them all.
If you insult them, you are a kafir, plain and simple.
No Wallah, my Mahdi is not your Jewish 12th saviour. Same as for my Ali. My Ali praised Abu Bakr and Omar even after their death, yours cursed them (in his house while whispering Hebrew prayers like a Rabbi). Hence:
Only a Nasibi curses the blessed Ahl Al-Bayt (AS)
And only a Nasibi (or extreme ignorant jahil) believes that the kufri twelver religion represents the Ahl Al-Bayt (AS).
Your Ali praised Abu Bakar and Umar??? Praised them for and about what??? Do you have standards and a criteria for accepting narrations and if you do then what is it??? Or do you just grab hold of what suits your thought, opinion and point of view, then label it authentic and what doesn't, so label it weak???
The Kufri twelver religion??? You still haven't given me any explanation for this. To prove this is way beyond your ability.
Remember my Imams are not your Imams. My blessed Ja'far (AS) is not your house dwelling Munafiq. My Sajjad was not your Sajjad etc. let alone my hero Ali Ibn Abi Talib (AS). Your Imams are fictional and useless of course.Ali b. Abi Talib is a historical person.
Hassan b. Ali is a historical person.
Husayn b. Ali is a historical person.
Zayn Al Abidin is a historical person.
Muhammad Al Baqir is a historical person.
Ja'far Al Sadiq is a historical person.
Peace be upon them all.
If you insult them, you are a kafir, plain and simple.
No Wallah, my Mahdi is not your Jewish 12th saviour. Same as for my Ali. My Ali praised Abu Bakr and Omar even after their death, yours cursed them (in his house while whispering Hebrew prayers like a Rabbi). Hence:
Only a Nasibi curses the blessed Ahl Al-Bayt (AS)
And only a Nasibi (or extreme ignorant jahil) believes that the kufri twelver religion represents the Ahl Al-Bayt (AS).
Your Ali praised Abu Bakar and Umar??? Praised them for and about what??? Do you have standards and a criteria for accepting narrations and if you do then what is it??? Or do you just grab hold of what suits your thought, opinion and point of view, then label it authentic and what doesn't, so label it weak???
The Kufri twelver religion??? You still haven't given me any explanation for this. To prove this is way beyond your ability.
If I say Aisha committed incest, Sunnis will blow up. If an Ibadi curses Imam Ali (pbuh), I pray for their guidance. Big difference ;)