Rafidah say: Ali Ibn Abi Talib is a pedophile

[Ebn Hussein]

Throughout history (until recently when the Rafidi got in bed with the orientalists) none of the kuffar (including Rafidah) ever accused the Prophet (saws) of being pedophiles والعياذ بالله. The Rafidah, despite their hatred and all sorts of attack (Takfir on the vast majority of the Sahaba, accusing Sunnis of degrading the Prophet etc.) against the Sunnis have never attacked the Sunni hadith about the Prophet (saws) having consummated the marriage between him and the mother of the Believers 'Aisha when she was nine years old. None of their classical scholars ever attacked Sunnis for such a believe, not even the lunatci Safavid palace scholar and Sunni hater Baqir Al-Majlisi and his likes. Why is that? Well, because according to Rafidi fiqh itself one can consummate a marriage (have sexual intercourse) with ANY woman (wife) who reaches puberty, even if she is nine years old. Take for instance the following cases:

Ayatullat Khomeini (just like the majority of their fuqaha') said that 9 is minimum age for marriage.

 So did Fadhallah:

Q: Is it morally and traditionally permissible for a man of 32 to marry of woman who is barely 17 years old?

A: Why not: The prophet(p.), our role model, married Aisha when she wad 10 years old while he was 53 years. If both parties accept the marriage than there is nothing wrong with it."

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Ayatullat Khoie said that you can have sex with girls once they are over 9 (he cites a number of Shia hadith to prove that it is only not permissible if she is UNDER nine):

http://www.al-khoei.us/books/index.php?id=4703

Also Murtadha Askari a Rafidi historian said that Aisha was married at the age of 9.5-10:



As you can see even many of their contemporary scholars did not attack the Sunni belief because it is actually an old Shia belief or at least a respected view hold by most of them since they have a clear cut Sahih narration by the son of Ja'far Al-Sadiq who reported what Sunnis have reported:

source: http://www.revivingalislam.com/2010/08/aaishah-was-married-with-prophet-at-10.html

إِنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ ص دَخَلَ بِعَائِشَةَ وَ هِيَ بِنْتُ عَشْرِ سِنِينَ وَ لَيْسَ يُدْخَلُ بِالْجَارِيَةِ حَتَّى تَكُونَ امْرَأَةً

“The Prophet صلى الله عليه وآله entered upon (had sexual intercourse with) `Aa’ishah when she was 10 years old, and that one doesn’t enter (upon) a jaariyah (girl) until she became a woman.”
Source:
1.       Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol.7, pg. 388, hadeeth # 1
2.       Al-Toosi, Tahdheeb Al-aHkaam, vol. 6, ch. 91, pg. 251, hadeeth # 49
3.       Al-`Aamilee, Wasaa’il Al-Shee`ah, vol. 1, ch. 4, pg. 44, hadeeth # 75

Grading:
1.       Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is SaHeeH
è  Mir’aat Al-`Uqool, vol. 24, pg. 235
2.       Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is SaHeeH Mawqoof (Authentic Halted)
è Milaadh Al-Akhyaar, vol. 10, pg. 102

In this context, when the word “dakhala” (entered) is used, it is used as a nice way of saying “intercourse”. As you can see that the Prophet صلى الله عليه وآله was married with `Aa’ishah by the time she was 10 years for sure, since it says he “entered upon” `Aa’ishah.

Here more narrations about when a girl reaches bulugh as per Sahih Rafidi narrations:

http://islamistruth.wordpress.com/2010/09/05/the-marriage-age-of-aishara-with-prophetpbuh/

[Ebn Hussein]

To be continued ... the best thing will follow inshaallah.

[Ebn Hussein]

Now after the introduction let me introduce you with the new Rafidi trend (championed by all contemp. Rafidis today, the Khomeini camp, the Shirazi camp, really no exception except few):

Modern day Western Kuffar (unlike their forebears) have problem with early marriage, so apologetic Muslims today dutifully jump through hoops to try to explain it away. However, even Sufi groups have crushed the Kuffar and orientalists in their attack (quote from my other thread):

Response from Gibril Haddad: http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=4604&CATE=1 Response on Wiki Islam (uses Gibril Haddad's arguments): http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Refutation_to_Muslim_Apologetics_against_Aisha%27s_Age_of_Consummation Response from Ayman b. Khaalid (the best article): http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CFoQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ahlalhdeeth.com%2Fvb%2Fattachment.php%3Fattachmentid%3D59353%26d%3D1219927832&ei=ygcjUO3oD6WMygGAz4DICQ&usg=AFQjCNE-HLjkDmaLAsKyooy14CDU3pczkg  The fact that our sources don't seem to make a big deal about this clearly shows that they didn't think it was anything particularly strange to make much mention of. It seems pretty clear that back then the norm was that once a girl entered into puberty, even before puberty, she was to be married and delaying it further than that was looked down upon. So if, as the above narration clearly states, the Prophet (pbuh) was married to Aisha at a young age, this was pretty normal. I mean, just look at these narrations on the matter:

Now guess which is the only sect that keeps repeating the cheap shubhah (false argument and doubt) of the orientalist kuffar? Yes, it is their bredrin in kufr, the Rafidah. This is despite the fact (as mentioned before) that Rafidi sources never ever made a big deal about this marriage so it seems pretty clear that back then the norm was that once a girl entered into puberty, even before puberty, she was to be married and delaying it further than that was looked down upon. So if, as the above narration clearly states, the Prophet (pbuh) was married to Aisha (ra)  at a young age, this was pretty normal. I mean, just look at these narrations on the matter:


[ 25036 ] 1 ـ محمد بن يعقوب ، عن محمد بن يحيى ، عن أحمد بن محمد بن عيسى ، عن بعض أصحابه ، عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) قال : من سعادة المرء أن لا تطمث ابنته في بيته .

1 – Muhammad b. Ya`qub from Muhammad b. Yahya from Ahmad b. Muhammad b. `Isa from one of our companions from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام. He said: From the felicity of the man is that his daughter not menstruate in his house.

[ 25037 ] 2 ـ وعن بعض أصحابنا قال الكليني : سقط عني إسناده ، قال : ان الله عزّ وجلّ لم يترك شيئا مما يحتاج إليه الا وعلمه نبيه ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) ، فكان من تعليمه إيّاه أنّه صعد المنبر ذات يوم فحمد الله وأثنى عليه ، ثم قال : أيها الناس ، إنّ جبرئيل أتاني عن اللطيف الخبير فقال : إن الابكار بمنزلة الثمر على الشجر ، إذا ادرك ثمارها فلم تجتن أفسدته الشمس ، ونثرته الرياح ، وكذلك الابكار إذا ادركن ما يدرك النساء ، فليس لهن دواء إلا البعولة وإلا لم يؤمن عليهن الفساد لانهن بشر ، قال : فقام إليه رجل فقال : يا رسول الله ، فمن نزوج ؟ فقال : الأكفاء ، فقال : ومن الاكفاء ؟ فقال : المؤمنون بعضهم اكفاء بعض ، المؤمنون بعضهم اكفاء بعض .

ورواه الشيخ بإسناده عن محمد بن يعقوب .


2 – And from one of our companions, al-Kulayni said: Its isnad is dropped from me [from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام – in al-Kafi], he said: Verily Allah عزّ وجلّ did not leave anything which is needed but that He taught it to His Prophet صلى الله عليه وآله. So from His teaching to him was that one day he ascended the minbar, and praised and eulogized Allah. Then he said: O people, verily Jibra’il came to me from the Subtle, the All-Aware, and he said: Verily the virgins are of the status of the fruit upon the tree. When its fruits ripen and it is not harvested, the sun spoils it and the winds scatter it. And likewise are the virgins. When they mature (or, apprehend) what the women mature, then there is no cure for them but having a husband, and otherwise they not safe from corruption as they are human. He said: So a man went to him and said: O Messenger of Allah, so who do we marry? So he said: The equals (al-akfa’). So he said: [O Messenger of Allah – in al-Kafi] and who are the equals? So he said: The believers, each of them are the equals of the other. The believers, each of them are the equals of the other.

[Ebn Hussein]

So as you can see, the marriage was pretty normal even according to the classical Rafidah (and many of their contemp. scholars). As for the shudhudh amongst the Rafidah, the "more catholic than the pope" type, then they (learning from the kafir orientalists) have sensed a new way to attack the Sunnis, simply by siding with the kuffar and suddenly claim that the Sunnis actually insult the Prophet (saws) and that 'Aisha made up the Sunni narrations in order to tarnish the image of the Prophet for future generations as the likes of the wicked Yasser al-Khabith says:



or like Jahils on this very forum he repeat Al-Khabith's and the orientalists lie and perverted understanding:

believing that the Prophet (peace be upon him) was a pedophile

The only reason people say this is because of Nawasib like you that say that he WAS a pedophile.  Pedophilia is an old man marrying a pre-pubescent girl.  Thankfully, the fact is that `Aisha was between the age of 17-20, i.e. a fully grown woman.  You actually have a Pedophile prophet.  The real Muhammad (sawa) was no such thing, but you invented an alternative Muhammed that marries 6 year olds and is a mass murdering terrorist.  May Allah (swt) protect the reputation of the real Muhammad (sawa) from slanderous accusations like the ones the Nawasbi make up.

What these demons do not know (or know and hide from their laymen or come up with the most far-fetched "interpretation") is (as I've explained) that Shia SAHIH narrations themselves approve the Sunni belief that 'Aisha was married to the Prophet in a young age and he consummated the marriage when she was 9 (acc. to Sunni narrations) and 10 (acc. to Rafidi narrations)! Worse than that, what this double faced charlatans do not know or simply seem to forget in their Anti-Sunni hype is that according to their OWN traditions Ali MARRIED a ten years old woman named Fatimah (as). Now according to the ehtical standards of the beloved friends of the Rafidah i.e. the orientalists kuffar and kuffar societies in general, marrying a 10 years old "girl" is considered nothing but pedophilia, so congratulations ya Rafidah, by attacking Sunni hadith and siding with the orientalists, you have not just attacked your own classical sources about the marriage of 'Aisha, but even the marriage of Ali and Fatimah:

[Ebn Hussein]

Orientalists and other Kuffar, have you read that? Is it not time to attack the Shias too who claim to follow a man (Ali) who married an innocent 10 years old girls? How disgusting (according to your standards) is that?! After all you are as blind as the Rafidah when it comes to the context and sociol norms back then when it was absolutely normal for the Prophet (peace be upon him) to marry a young girl and CONSUMMATE (having intercourse) with her once she is biologically a woman. Heck, this was normal in your own societies a few centuries ago, are you gonna accuse your forefathers of being pedophiles too?

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152425287981104

As for the Rafidah, well they have (due to their blind hatred for Islam and 'Aisha) ultimately accused their own first demi-god of being a pedophile, because acc. to the standards they set (set by kafir societies), marrying a 10 years old "girl" (Fatimah) is the pure definition of pedophilia.

[Ebn Hussein]

Marrying a ten years old "girl" (of course a woman, but apparently a girl according to western and neo-Rafidi standards), really? That's kinda perverted if we go by modern Rafidi standards and other kafir standards. Don't they read their own books and verdicts of classical scholars? Anyway, enjoy the "9's" and the stupidity of the Rafidah (like Al-Khabith and co.) when they attack 'Aisha:

Al-Kafi:

 ابن المسيب عن الإمام زين العابدين (عليه السلام)  قال: (( فقلت لعلي بن الحسين: فمتى زوج رسول الله فاطمة من علي؟ فقال: بالمدينة بعد الهجرة بسنة وكان لها يومئذ تسع سنين. (الكافي: 8/338.

Zayn Al-'Abidin (AS) was asked: "When did the Prophet married Fatimah to Ali?" He answered: "In Madinah, one year after the Hijrah when she was nine years old." - Al-Kafi, 8/338

And before someone jumps and cries "weak". Here another list (I already mentioned some others) from their scholars and historians who accepted that fact:

Sayyid Muhsin al-Ameen [Rafidi] said:

فعلى قول أكثر أصحابنا انها ولدت بعد النبوة بخمس سنين يكون عمرها حين تزويجها تسع سنين أو عشر سنين أو إحدى عشرة سنة لأنها تزوجت بعلي ع بعد الهجرة بسنة وقيل بسنتين وقيل بثلاث سنين

According to most of our companions, she was born five years after Nubuwwah, her age at the time of marriage should be nine, ten or eleven years because she married Ali a year after migration, and it is said two years after migration, and it is also said that three years after migration.
Reference : Aayan al-Shia, Vol. 1, p. 313

Shaykh Ali al-Namazi al-Shahrudi [Rafidi] said:
وكان تزويجها في السنة الأولى من الهجرة، وكان لها يومئذ تسع سنين

She was married a year after the migration, and she was nine years at that time.
Reference : Mustadrak Safinatul Bahar, Vol. 8, p. 247

[Taha]

I wouldn't have a problem if the marriage took place at age 9/10/11 so long as maturity had been reached (baligh).

Nawasib say that Aisha was married at the age of 6 (before 9, and probably before menstruation). This is where I have the issue. The minimum marriage age is 9 or menstruation.

Anyways, Aisha was a divorced lady. So if she had been married, lost her virginity, got divorced, and then married Muhammed all by the age of 6, yeah, something is clearly wrong. No wonder she turned out to be so messed up later in life 

Or, we can take the Shi'i perspective in that she was married past the age of maturity (be it 10 or 17 or whatever), in which case she was just a bad person not due to childhood trauma.

[MuslimK]

^ Aisha (ra) went to the house of the Prophet (saw) as a bride at the age of NINE.

And one more thing, She was not a divorced lady. Please don't talk without evidence.

[Taha]

Evidence: Narrated Ibn Sa`d from Abdillah ibn Abi Malikya: “When the Messenger of Allah [peace be upon him and his pure family] married Aisha, Abu Bakr said: I was about to marry her to Jubyar son of Mut’im, let me ask them for permission. He asked permission from them, and divorced Aisha from Jubayr ibn Mut’im, and the Messenger of Allah [peace be upon him and his pure family] then married her. [Al-Tabi’qaat Al-Kobra le Ibn Sa`d, Vol.7, Pg.59].

Sunni belief on age: Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old [Bukhari 7:62:64]

So was Aisha lying?

[Optimus Prime]

I wouldn't have a problem if the marriage took place at age 9/10/11 so long as maturity had been reached (baligh).

Nawasib say that Aisha was married at the age of 6 (before 9, and probably before menstruation). This is where I have the issue. The minimum marriage age is 9 or menstruation.

Anyways, Aisha was a divorced lady. So if she had been married, lost her virginity, got divorced, and then married Muhammed all by the age of 6, yeah, something is clearly wrong. No wonder she turned out to be so messed up later in life 

Or, we can take the Shi'i perspective in that she was married past the age of maturity (be it 10 or 17 or whatever), in which case she was just a bad person not due to childhood trauma.

Our narrations and brother Ebn Hussein's are quite comprehensive which, prove beyond much doubt the Prophet (SAW) married her at the age of 6, and she (RA) moved in with him (SAW) at the age of 9.

And, when you're addressing one of the Mother of the Believers, do so with respect.

[Hani]

Ibn Sa`d's narration is weak because al-Ajlah al-Kindi is quite the weak Shia and ibn abi Mulaykah isn't a Sahabi nor was he born at the time thus the chain is weak and disconnected, make sure your evidence is always authentic and reliable.


Nikah, the marital contract, may be made earlier but consummation of marriage can take place only after puberty is attained. `A'ishah narrated that her mother only handed her to the Prophet (saw) when she was nine years of age and had a very healthy body, she says in Bukhari/Muslim:

فَأَسْلَمَتْنِي إِلَيْهِ ، وَأَنَا يَوْمَئِذٍ بِنْتُ تِسْعِ سِنِينَ

"So she (my mother) handed me to him (saw) when I was nine years of age."

If he (saw) were a pedophile with sexual lust towards prepubescent girls, he would have asked to have `A'ishah before she reached puberty. As the definition of Pedophile states that the person must have: "fantasies about prepubescent children" and the term "prepubescent" means those who have not reached puberty. Instead he (saw) never asked for her or wished to have her at his house until she reached puberty.

Article here:
http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2008/07/why-prophet-muhammad-married-aisha-when.html

[Optimus Prime]

According to our narrations how old was Fatima (RA) when she married Ali (RA)?

[Hadrami]

Why does it always happens to donkeys? Condemn something but then they found that their imam practised what theyre condemning. Oops, its backtracking or stupid excuse time hahaha

[Husayn]

Taha reminds me a little of myself when I was stuck in Rafidism.

The more doubts he has, the more angry he gets, and the more abusive he will become 

Allah yihdee

[Hadrami]

Taha reminds me a little of myself when I was stuck in Rafidism.

The more doubts he has, the more angry he gets, and the more abusive he will become 

Allah yihdee

OK so can I say that someone refuted you -> doubts -> stubborness without knowing how to answer turns to anger -> anger turns to abusive behaviour -> realised that you've been fooled by tyreheads -> turns to what you are now?  You should write the phase of your journey to Ahlussunnah bro

I still remember when you told me to compare imam's knowledge of the unseen with weather forecast bro. You were a stubborn shia back then 

[Taha]

And, when you're addressing one of the Mother of the Believers, do so with respect.

Is Talha a believer?


After the martyrdom of the Holy Prophet (sawa), Aisha married Talha, her cousin.  So, either;


Aisha is not Umm al-Momineen.
Talha is not a momen.
Aisha and Talha committed incest.


Your choice 

[Abu Zayd]

And, when you're addressing one of the Mother of the Believers, do so with respect.

Is Talha a believer?


After the martyrdom of the Holy Prophet (sawa), Aisha married Talha, her cousin.  So, either;


Aisha is not Umm al-Momineen.
Talha is not a momen.
Aisha and Talha committed incest.


Your choice 

Probably best to finish one argument with evidence, not switch to another without any evidence again.

[Hani]

Is Talha a believer?


After the martyrdom of the Holy Prophet (sawa), Aisha married Talha, her cousin.  So, either;


Aisha is not Umm al-Momineen.
Talha is not a momen.
Aisha and Talha committed incest.

Your information is not historically accurate bro.

[Husayn]

Is Talha a believer?


After the martyrdom of the Holy Prophet (sawa), Aisha married Talha, her cousin.  So, either;


Aisha is not Umm al-Momineen.
Talha is not a momen.
Aisha and Talha committed incest.

Your information is not historically accurate bro.

Understatement of the year...

[Ebn Hussein]

According to our narrations how old was Fatima (RA) when she married Ali (RA)?

Nine, as per Tabaqat al-Kubra.

As for the dumb Rafidi Taha (Dhalala rather). He didn't even reaise that:

1. The marriage was CONSUMMATED when she was nine (something the retard said he has no issues with)
2. Authentic Shia narrations state that the marriage was consummated when she was 10.

I.e. dumb Rafidah like Yasser Al-Khabith and their even dumber follower like Dhalalah make a big deal out of nothing, they champion the shubuhat of the kuffar due to their perverted and sick hatred for the honour of the Prophet, the wife of the Prophet, Umm Al-Mu'minin 'Aisha.

Conclusion: Rawafidh are a accursed lot who have to answer alot on the day of judgement. Alhamdulillah that Allah guided me away from this shirk infested, biased cult of superstitions and lies.