Sacrifice of Al Hussain?

[Hadrami]

Us zombies. ..LOL, you really need to see a doctor. The first three Imams their response and dealing was different. Why? Because the circumstances, situation and conditions where absolutely different and so were the individuals and characters they were up against were also very different. Yo know this as well as I do. You're just playing around by raising suspicion and casting doubt on the based on the anti shia fever and mentality you are suffering from.

whats the difference? You zombies believe they were kuffar, no need to dance around. So its Islamic to let a kafir lead the ummah? Its islamic to gave up power to a kafir? Thats your bollywood script, we dont believe that one bit. Youre the one who has to dance around to try to make sense of that mess of your fake history

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Atheists can say God surrendered his power and authority to evil people. In a way they are right. He has from one angle let them deceive people and rule by false means and deceptions. That is why believers always in the past would await the "days of God", because it's always been conveyed, that God takes turns, he let's darkness and the night rule, but only to bring back the day.

If humans were grateful for the representatives and rulers appointed by God, and followed the guides, we would not be ruled by deceivers.

But he warned humanity time and time again, if they are ungrateful and rebel against him and his authority,  than they will perish and those who oppress others will be destroyed, and those who think they are super power on earth will always be destroyed because they forgot the true super power, God who has not left humans to themselves and has destroyed many nations and powers in the past.

[Hadrami]

Atheists can say God surrendered his power and authority to evil people. In a way they are right.

well thats because they are atheist. So next time you want to blame Allah too when you commit a sin? Your fake history is a mess, how can an infallible who suppose to uphold Islamic values gave up power and legitimise a person who you believe was against Islam. You zombie always doesnt make sense.

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Atheists can say God surrendered his power and authority to evil people. In a way they are right.

well thats because they are atheist. So next time you want to blame Allah too when you commit a sin? Your fake history is a mess, how can an infallible who suppose to uphold Islamic values gave up power and legitimise a person who you believe was against Islam. You zombie always doesnt make sense.

Imams are just instruments of God. Even Israelites who were disobeying Moses knew Moses could by himself take on everyone in a country with God's permission and help.....

But Moses and Aaron didn't, but rather separated from the people and left them for 40 years.

The question is legitimate, when a person given knowledge from God's book can bring a whole throne in a twinkle of an eye, yes it's true Ali could have killed every disbeliever that faced him.

He could have resisted and destroyed waves and waves of people, as well, the believers with him could have been helped by Angels as well and they could have come out victorious like Talut and believers who followed him came out victorious.

Why did God let Yahya get killed when he took leadership and was of the successors of Moses who God protected and provided help against Pharah and his army?

These are legitimate questions.

Why did any Prophets from Bani-Israel get killed, was God powerless to protect them?

Why weren't they all victorious with whatever numbers they had like Talut and his followers?

You see, you can't just plug your analysis of what God and his representatives should do.   


When you have immense power that you can split the moon and yet the earth remains and everything remains intact, this is not a human that you can truly over power.

If they give up power, they give up due to wisdom. And if they take it, it's by God's will and permission.

Their lives and deaths are for God.

We can try to understand what they do, but at the end, when Yusuf framed his brothers, it was not that framing is halal for us to do or anything, and there is a lot of actions we cannot easily understand.

But fighting is not always best, and power is not as important as people make it out to be.

If it was as important as people make it out to be, be sure God would never have ever let a Pharaoh rule or oppressor rule.

It's an evil and a heavy trial, but life goes on, and wisdom still can be found, and the true Kings continue to be true kings and rule humanity because in all that, God is the King.

[Hadrami]

so an infallible who was suppose to be our religious guide, gave up authority & power so we would be led by a leader whom you believe was governing unislamically & was against Islam. Dont forget to take your mental pill link.

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so an infallible who was suppose to be our religious guide, gave up authority & power so we would be led by a leader whom you believe was governing unislamically & was against Islam. Dont forget to take your mental pill link.

so an infallible who was suppose to be our religious guide, gave up authority & power so we would be led by a leader whom you believe was governing unislamically & was against Islam. Dont forget to take your mental pill link.

I am telling you reality. You are arguing exactly what Illuminati will be arguing, that God is not powerless, and if he wanted to stop them from being in a position of power, he could have, but has allowed them to rule behind the scenes and finally bring humanity to a stage which they will argue was their benevolent purpose all along.

All I am saying is Quran has answered all this, and explained "days of God" and that we await when God will manifest his proof, and indeed there is day of rising coming,  but what situation humanity will be in,  will they be receptive and most follow the truth or will most perish like destroyed nations were destroyed, we don't know, that is not destined, neither is it's time destined, the course humanity takes is not destined.

All we can wish and hope for, is the coming forth is an easy affair of humanity, and that the result of oppressors even is that they are forgiven like brothers of Yusuf were forgiven, but the warnings that what befell past oppressors and nations is a heavy warning....

So far we are on a bad track. Things don't look good.

Let us change the destiny Satan and his forces are pushing towards, and be part of God's plan.

Victory is promised, but we want the best form of victory, one that is easy for most humans, and very little consequence and very little resistance to the truth.

Humans forging their destiny is a gift from God as is helping authorities and guiding kings.

[Hadrami]

illuminati? You sure is mental 😁😁

[Farid]

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