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Imam Taqi on the first two caliphs

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zaid_ibn_ali

Imam Taqi on the first two caliphs
« on: July 04, 2015, 05:15:51 PM »
This on a shia site:

 In the same way, in the debate between Imam Taqi (a.s.) against Yahya bin Aqsam in the court of Mamoon, the great Imam continued to deny the superiority of the two Caliphs and laid various blames on the two of them. This debate is also mentioned in Ibn Athir’s Tarikh Kamil.

Anyone have access to Ibn Athir's work?

Farid

Re: Imam Taqi on the first two caliphs
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2015, 06:15:39 PM »
The narration is weak. Ibn Al Athir often quotes weak narrations without mentioning    a source.

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Re: Imam Taqi on the first two caliphs
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2015, 10:41:04 PM »
Here is another one fabricated by Imami Shias about al-Jawad. They actually shoot themselves in the leg.

http://forum.twelvershia.net/sahabah-ahlulbayt/imam-al-jawad-admits-to-abu-bakr's-virtues/
در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

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Rationalist

Re: Imam Taqi on the first two caliphs
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2015, 12:00:06 AM »

Ebn Hussein

Re: Imam Taqi on the first two caliphs
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2015, 01:22:10 AM »
I believe that's the same tradition.

http://www.seratonline.com/22455/debate-on-so-called-virtues-of-abu-bakr-and-umar/

Rafidah are so deluded ... the fabricated narration ITSELF opposes their very beliefs, namely that Abu Bakr was a kafir and had certainly no virtues whatsoever. Yet, look how the narration starts off:

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Mamoon al-Rashid while celebrating the marriage of his daughter to Imam Muhammad b. Ali al-Jawaad (a.s.) ...

...

 a Sunni scholar and a leading jurist of his time, grabbed the opportunity to confront Imam (a.s.) on the subject of Imamat and asked him a series of questions on the topic.


Imam Jawaad (a.s.): I do not deny the merits of Abu Bakr[2]...

And what did the Rafidah do in the footnote? Hehe, of course they come up with the lame taqiyyah excuse:

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  Imam’s (a.s.) statement – ‘I do not deny Abu Bakr’s excellence’ is a pointer towards Imam’s (a.s.) taqayya. There is a tradition from Zakariyyah b. Adam – I was in the presence of Imam Reza (a.s.) who brought Imam Jawaad (a.s.) who was just 4 years old.  Then Imam Jawaad (a.s.) struck the floor with his hand, raised his head towards the sky and went into a state of deep reflection.  Imam Reza (a.s.) asked: May my life be sacrificed for you.  What are you thinking in this manner?  Imam Jawaad (a.s.) – Regarding the afflictions related to my mother Hazrat Faatemah (s.a.). By Allah, I will bring those two (the first and second caliph) out of their graves and throw them into the Fire.  Then I will destroy their ashes or consign them to the oceans.  Then Imam Reza (a.s.) drew him towards himself and kissed him between the eyes and declared – My son, you are worthy of Imamat.

Look at the fabrication above, so the Super Dupa Imam wanted to play zombies and resurrect Abu Bakr and Omar before Qiyamah day. Wow, wow, ya Rafidah, what shameless fabricators you are. Jawad in reality instead of playing resurrection games actually married the daughter of a bloody Nasibi king! He was probably forced huh? He could not do hijrah (with his superpowers) like the Sahabah did to preach and live his Deen, huh?
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

Rationalist

Re: Imam Taqi on the first two caliphs
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2015, 05:42:41 AM »
The best part is when they believe the Imams believed the Quran was incomplete but told the Ummah its complete in taqiyyah.

Khalifa

Re: Imam Taqi on the first two caliphs
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2015, 09:20:45 PM »

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Yahya: It has been reported that Umar b. Khattaab is the lamp of Paradise.

 Imam Jawaad (a.s.): I do not deny the merits of Umar but Abu Bakr, who is superior to the former, himself announced from the pulpit – I have a Satan over me who distracts me all the time, so if you see me deviated from the right path, then correct me.

Now see what Adam A.S says in shia book Haqq al Yaqeen of  baqir majlisi

Oh Allah you imposed a Shytan over me and released him in my body like a blood .

 

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