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scusemyenglish

" no Ahlulbayt in isnad of sunni "
« on: March 18, 2016, 07:19:11 PM »
What can we respond to this claim?

One friend said me " When hadith are from Ahlou Lbayt ( especially among Tabirine ) it was not accepted by sunni scholars"

Barak'Allah ou fikoume.
« Last Edit: March 18, 2016, 08:04:59 PM by scusemyenglish »
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Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

Ibn Yahya

Re: " no Ahlulbayt in isnad of sunni "
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2016, 09:05:03 PM »
Ludicrous claim. We see Ali ibn al-Hussayn, Ja'far as-Sadiq and Muhammad al-Baqir many times in our sanads
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Rationalist

Re: " no Ahlulbayt in isnad of sunni "
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2016, 08:37:21 AM »
Quote from: scusemyenglish on March 18, 2016, 07:19:11 PM
What can we respond to this claim?

One friend said me " When hadith are from Ahlou Lbayt ( especially among Tabirine ) it was not accepted by sunni scholars"

Barak'Allah ou fikoume.

Zayd bin Ali and Muhammad Al Baqir are considered Thiqah in Sunni Rijal.
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Rationalist

Re: " no Ahlulbayt in isnad of sunni "
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2016, 08:40:14 AM »


11045 - 'Ali bin al-Husain bin 'Ali [Abu al-Husain, Abu Muhammad]   Follower(Tabi') [3rd Generation]
Full Name:   'Ali bin al-Husain bin 'Ali bin Abi Talib b. 'Abdul Muttalib b. Hashim
Parents:   Hussain ibn 'Ali ibn Abi Talib / Umm Walad
Siblings:   Sakina bint al-Husain bin 'Ali, Fatima bint al-Husain bin 'Ali
Birth Date/Place:   38 AH ()
Death Date/Place:   93 AH ()[ Natural ]
Places of Stay:   Medina
Area of Interest:   Narrator[Grade:Thiqah Thiqah] [ ع - ثقة ثبت ],


Full Name:   Zayd bin 'Ali bin al-Husain b. 'Ali b. Abi Talib b. 'Abdul Muttalib b. Hashim
Parents:   'Ali bin al-Husain bin 'Ali
Siblings:   Muhammad bin 'Ali b. al-Hussain al-Baqir, 'Abdullah bin 'Ali bin al-Hussain, 'Umar bin 'Ali bin al-Husain, al-Husain bin 'Ali bin al-Husain
Death Date/Place:   122 AH ()[ Natural ]
Places of Stay:   Medina
Area of Interest:   Narrator[Grade:Thiqah] [ د ت عس ق - ثقة ]

Full Name:   Muhammad bin 'Ali bin al-Hussain bin 'Ali b. Abi Talib b. 'Abdul Muttalib b. Hashim
Parents:   'Ali bin al-Husain bin 'Ali / Umm 'Abdullah bint Hasan bin 'Ali
Siblings:   Zayd bin 'Ali bin al-Husain, 'Abdullah bin 'Ali bin al-Hussain, 'Umar bin 'Ali bin al-Husain, al-Husain bin 'Ali bin al-Husain
Birth Date/Place:   ~56 AH ()
Death Date/Place:   > 110 AH ()[ Natural ]
Places of Stay:   Medina
Area of Interest:   Narrator[Grade:Thiqah] [ ع - ثقة ]
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scusemyenglish

Re: " no Ahlulbayt in isnad of sunni "
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2016, 01:17:54 PM »
Quote from: Rationalist on March 19, 2016, 08:40:14 AM


11045 - 'Ali bin al-Husain bin 'Ali [Abu al-Husain, Abu Muhammad]   Follower(Tabi') [3rd Generation]
Full Name:   'Ali bin al-Husain bin 'Ali bin Abi Talib b. 'Abdul Muttalib b. Hashim
Parents:   Hussain ibn 'Ali ibn Abi Talib / Umm Walad
Siblings:   Sakina bint al-Husain bin 'Ali, Fatima bint al-Husain bin 'Ali
Birth Date/Place:   38 AH ()
Death Date/Place:   93 AH ()[ Natural ]
Places of Stay:   Medina
Area of Interest:   Narrator[Grade:Thiqah Thiqah] [ ع - ثقة ثبت ],


Full Name:   Zayd bin 'Ali bin al-Husain b. 'Ali b. Abi Talib b. 'Abdul Muttalib b. Hashim
Parents:   'Ali bin al-Husain bin 'Ali
Siblings:   Muhammad bin 'Ali b. al-Hussain al-Baqir, 'Abdullah bin 'Ali bin al-Hussain, 'Umar bin 'Ali bin al-Husain, al-Husain bin 'Ali bin al-Husain
Death Date/Place:   122 AH ()[ Natural ]
Places of Stay:   Medina
Area of Interest:   Narrator[Grade:Thiqah] [ د ت عس ق - ثقة ]

Full Name:   Muhammad bin 'Ali bin al-Hussain bin 'Ali b. Abi Talib b. 'Abdul Muttalib b. Hashim
Parents:   'Ali bin al-Husain bin 'Ali / Umm 'Abdullah bint Hasan bin 'Ali
Siblings:   Zayd bin 'Ali bin al-Husain, 'Abdullah bin 'Ali bin al-Hussain, 'Umar bin 'Ali bin al-Husain, al-Husain bin 'Ali bin al-Husain
Birth Date/Place:   ~56 AH ()
Death Date/Place:   > 110 AH ()[ Natural ]
Places of Stay:   Medina
Area of Interest:   Narrator[Grade:Thiqah] [ ع - ثقة ]

Barak'Allah ou fik.

I didn't know.

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Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

Noor-us-Sunnah

Re: " no Ahlulbayt in isnad of sunni "
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2016, 02:29:17 PM »
Refer this article:
Narrations from Ahl-AlBayt present in the main books of Ahlesunnah
https://youpuncturedtheark.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/narrations-from-ahl-albayt-present-in-books-the-main-books-of-ahlesunnah/
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scusemyenglish

Re: " no Ahlulbayt in isnad of sunni "
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2016, 07:14:04 PM »
« Last Edit: March 20, 2016, 07:22:09 PM by scusemyenglish »
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Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

scusemyenglish

Re: " no Ahlulbayt in isnad of sunni "
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2016, 07:17:50 PM »
Salam.

Can you respond.

Shia they say "among sahaba there is few hadith from Ahlou Lbayt."

But Ibn Abbas is one of the sahaba who reported lot of Hadith. almost like Abou Hourayra.

My question is "Why they don't recognize Ibn Abbas like an Ahlou bayte" ? ? ??

I have never undestood that
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Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

Noor-us-Sunnah

Re: " no Ahlulbayt in isnad of sunni "
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2016, 08:20:54 PM »
They don't recognize anyone as Ahlibayt except 12 Imams and Fatima(r.a)
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scusemyenglish

Re: " no Ahlulbayt in isnad of sunni "
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2016, 12:20:53 AM »
But technically, Ibn Abbas is an Ahlulbayt!?
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Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

AhmedibnHanbal

Re: " no Ahlulbayt in isnad of sunni "
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2016, 12:56:44 AM »
Quote from: Noor-us-Sunnah on March 20, 2016, 08:20:54 PM
They don't recognize anyone as Ahlibayt except 12 Imams and Fatima(r.a)

Salam aleykum,
ironically with shia understanding  Allah made only 4 people to ahlulbayt (hadith al-kissa) !

So who made the other Imams to ahlulbayt?

Until today i could not find any authentic shia tradition from our Prophet Muhammed(saaws)!?
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scusemyenglish

Re: " no Ahlulbayt in isnad of sunni "
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2016, 01:04:19 AM »
Quote from: AhmedibnHanbal on March 21, 2016, 12:56:44 AM
Quote from: Noor-us-Sunnah on March 20, 2016, 08:20:54 PM
They don't recognize anyone as Ahlibayt except 12 Imams and Fatima(r.a)

Salam aleykum,
ironically with shia understanding  Allah made only 4 people to ahlulbayt (hadith al-kissa) !

So who made the other Imams to ahlulbayt?

Until today i could not find any authentic shia tradition from our Prophet Muhammed(saaws)!?

But what they think about Ibn Abbas? What is their point of view about him?
« Last Edit: March 21, 2016, 01:07:29 AM by scusemyenglish »
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Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”

Ibn Yahya

Re: " no Ahlulbayt in isnad of sunni "
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2016, 02:50:41 AM »
The dilemma of who's Ahlulbayt and who's not is really only a smaller part in the huge inconsistency of Twelver reverence of Ahlulbayt. This is because they neglect the fact that if they are going to continue to say that 9 generations of al-Husayn's descendants are Ahlulbayt and revere all the progeny of that line then there's no real argument as to why al-Hasan's progeny aren't given the same reverence.
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scusemyenglish

Re: " no Ahlulbayt in isnad of sunni "
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2016, 11:42:19 AM »
So there were 200 members of Ahlu l'bayt into our isnad?
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Abou Hourayra narrated that the messenger saws said:

"“There will come to the people years
of treachery (...) the Ruwaibidhah will decide matters.”
It was said

 'Who are the Ruwaibidhah?'

The Prophet replied:

 “Vile and
ignorant men who will speak in the affairs of the people.”
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