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Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses

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Ebn Hussein

I've watched a clip of one of the tyre-heads from Yasser al-Khabith's gang. A little foul mouthed idolater whose video is loved and shared by all Islam haters and people who can't believe that they actually found someone ascribed to Islam, making their dreams come true portraying the Prophet (saws) as someone who was constantly surrounded by filth (as per the claim of the Rafidah, may Allah curse them):

https://youtu.be/B88iR9JCF4M

Alot of cheap shubuhat in this clip, but on what I want to concentrate is counterargument of the Rafidah that they constantly use against less knowledgable Sunnis who quote the following verse (as the Tyre-head does in the clip with his ugly Tawjid):

الْخَبِيثَاتُ لِلْخَبِيثِينَ وَالْخَبِيثُونَ لِلْخَبِيثَاتِ وَالطَّيِّبَاتُ لِلطَّيِّبِينَ وَالطَّيِّبُونَ لِلطَّيِّبَاتِ أُوْلَئِكَ مُبَرَّؤُونَ مِمَّا يَقُولُونَ لَهُم مَّغْفِرَةٌ وَرِزْقٌ كَرِيمٌ
النور : 26

Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women. Good women are for good men, and good men for good women; such are innocent of that which people say: For them is pardon and a bountiful provision.

First response of the tyred Shaitan (everything in brackets are my comments), paraphrased: Tafasir of the Bakris (رضی الله عنهم) does not say that it is about a particular woman, let alone 'Aishah, it's in defense of a number of Sahabah women who were insulted for migrating.

Muslim response: Well, firstly, thanks for admitting that Allah revealed verses in defense of the wives of the Sahabah, for all what they have sacrificed for this religion. Secondly, there is a known Qa'idah among all scholars, of all sciences, especially the Qur'an:

العبرة بعموم اللفظ لا بخصوص السبب

which can be translated to: "What counts is the general meaning of the words, not the specific reason for revelation"

So this verse (like many other verses) obviously has a specific sabab (cause) of revelation, however its meaning (like all verses, except abrogated ones) is general.

Now when you ask the Rawafid if Ali b. Abi Talib is Khabith (vile) or good (Tayyib) they will say good (Tayyib), and indeed this is the truth.

When you asked them was his wife good (Tayyibah) or vile (Khabithah), they will say she was a Tayyibah (good), and indeed this is the truth.

He (Ali) is good and she (Fatimah) is good hence the verse (... Good women are for good men, and good men for good women....) applies on them without a shadow of doubt

Yet when you ask the Rafidah (الله يأخذهم) if the Messenger of Allah (صل الله علیه و على آله و سلم) is good (Tayyib), they will say yes, but if you ask them about two specific wives of him, especially 'Aishah, they will say she is a Khabithah (vile)!

I say: Ya Rafidah, in your ignorance you have portrayed the Prophet as a vile man, as the verse clearly states:

... Vile women are for vile men ...

NOWHERE does the verse state that a Khabithah (vile women) can possibily be with a Tayyib (good), let alone the purest of all creation, the final Messenger (peace be upon him). The Rafidah KNOW that the verse is clear, they fail to refute Allah's words, so what they do is two things:

1. They mention how the Prophet did divorced some women (or some became apostates).

Counter argument: First of all this proves that the Prophet had no knowledge of the unseen, let alone the knowledge of the unseen that is ascribed to the Imams (who know the amount of drops in the ocean, every leaf that fells of a tree i.e. strikingly similar to how ALLAHS knowledge of the unseen is described in the Qur'an) by the Rafidah. These women (if all narrations the tyre head wildly quotes from NON Sahih sources) became evil in a LATER stage and were divorced, so they are not Tayyibaat (good women) by default anymore.

2. Last thing left for them is to do QIYAS (analogy), this is what they often do in their desperation when clear text refute their evil beliefs.


Qiyas between Nooh's and Lut's (علیهما السلام) evil wives, debunking the Rafidi comparison with evidences from their own books:

The Rafidah are hell-bent to prove that a number of wives of the Prophet (by the way, they also hate Maymunah and of course Umm Habibah, sister of Mu'awiyah!) are evil kafiraat, in order to do that they resort to Qiyas, citing how other Prophets other than our Prophet also WILLINGLY married vile kafir women for "various" reasons. This is the verse they normally quote (to apply it on two wives of the last and final Messenger of Allah!):

ضَرَبَ اللَّهُ مَثَلًا لِّلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا اِمْرَأَةَ نُوحٍ وَاِمْرَأَةَ لُوطٍ كَانَتَا تَحْتَ عَبْدَيْنِ مِنْ عِبَادِنَا صَالِحَيْنِ فَخَانَتَاهُمَا فَلَمْ يُغْنِيَا عَنْهُمَا مِنَ اللَّهِ شَيْئًا وَقِيلَ ادْخُلَا النَّارَ مَعَ الدَّاخِلِينَ

Allah sets forth an example for those who disbelieve, the wife of Nuh (Noah) and the wife of Lout (Lot). They were under two of our righteous slaves, but they both betrayed their (husbands by rejecting their doctrine) so they [Nuh (Noah) and Lout (Lot)] benefited them (their respective wives) not, against Allah, and it was said: "Enter the Fire along with those who enter!"

Refutation to their Qiyas and misuse of the verse above:

We will first refute them with the Qur'an itself (which most of them don't master in any shape or form, neither Tajwid wise, Tafsir, let alone Hifdh):


وَأَنزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ بِالْحَقِّ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ مِنَ الْكِتَابِ وَمُهَيْمِنًا عَلَيْهِ فَاحْكُم بَيْنَهُم بِمَا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ وَلاَ تَتَّبِعْ أَهْوَاءهُمْ عَمَّا جَاءكَ مِنَ الْحَقِّ لِكُلٍّ جَعَلْنَا مِنكُمْ شِرْعَةً وَمِنْهَاجًا وَلَوْ شَاء اللّهُ لَجَعَلَكُمْ أُمَّةً وَاحِدَةً وَلَـكِن لِّيَبْلُوَكُمْ فِي مَا آتَاكُم فَاسْتَبِقُوا الخَيْرَاتِ إِلَى الله مَرْجِعُكُمْ جَمِيعًا فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمْ فِيهِ تَخْتَلِفُونَ {48

And unto thee have We revealed the Scripture with the truth, confirming whatever Scripture was before it, and a watcher over it. So judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires away from the truth which hath come unto thee. For each We have appointed a divine law and a traced-out way. Had Allah willed He could have made you one community. But that He may try you by that which He hath given you (He hath made you as ye are). So vie one with another in good works. Unto Allah ye will all return, and He will then inform you of that wherein ye differ.

From the basics of Islamic knowledge is to know that all the previous Umam (pl. of Ummah) although of course being united in their Da3wah and Aqidah (i.e. call to Tawhid that united all Prophets, from Adam to Khaatam علیهم السلام), yet differed in their SHARA'IH (pl. of Shari'ah) i.e. in their divine law. There are plenty of examples; Prostrating (as a form of GREETING) was allowed in the Shari'ah of Ya'qoob, yet it is absolutely forbidden in the Shari'ah of Muhammad (peace be upon him). Basically, what was Halal to some previous nations is Haram to us and vice versa.

In the time of Nuh and Lut (عليهما السلام) marrying a kafir wasn't prohibited (Nuh even offered his daughters to the Kuffar, another misused fact that Rafidah use to justify why 'Ali gave his daughter to 'Omar!!!), their Shari'ah (not 'Aqidah) was different to ours as it is clear from other verses.

“Do not marry idolatresses (al mushrikāt) till they believe; and certainly a believing maid is better than an idolatress even though she would please you; and do not marry idolaters (al Mushrikīn) till they believe (hata yūminū), and certainly a believing slave is better than an idolater, even though he would please you. These invite to the Fire, and Allah invites to the Garden and to forgiveness by His grace, and makes clear His revelations to mankind so that they may remember.”

[al-Baqarah 2:221].

^The above verse is what our Shari'ah, the last Shari'ah for all of mankind prohibits us to do, namely to marry ANY of our believing women to kuffar or to marry their kafir women (exceptions are Ahl al-Kitab only). According to our Shari'ah Muslim man are also prohibited to wed ANY polytheist woman EXCEPT the people of the book. According to the dumb Rafidah, 'Aishah, and Hafsa were VILE IMPURE Munafiqaat and Kafiraat whom the Prophet WILLINGLY married because Allah told him so in order to TEST the Ummah (with 'Aishah) in the future (Jamal etc.), yet Allah says:

Do not marry idolatresses (al mushrikāt) till they believe; and certainly a believing maid is better than an idolatress even though she would please you ..." Qur’an 2:221.

Rafidah (like Yasser al-Khabith) argue that Prophets can be exempted from some rules, like how it was lawful to our Prophet to marry more than four fives, or the opposite, like how the qiyam prayer was mandatory upon him (whilst being optional to the rest of the Ummah).

Answer: All prohibitions in the Qur'an are first and foremost addressed to the Prophet (as he received the revelation first) then the rest of us, him having "EXTRA" rights (more than four wives) and EXTRA obligations (Qiyam prayer, EVERY NIGHT!) does not exempt him from any prohibition, let alone the prohibition of him marrying the most evil and vile IMPURE hypocrites (according to the Rafidah). The Prophet (صل الله علیه و على آله و سلم) would have never done that, nor his he to be compared to anyone else (even if he's the Prophet), our Prophet was the last Messenger of Allah, he only married pure and believing women to the best of his knowledge, he would have never married an impure kafirah, and Allah decreed that he never divorces her.
and don't make shia Quran jokes when according to ur sahih sitta the Prophet saw used to make Quran mistakes often and had to be corrected by his sahaba who themselves needed to learn ghusl from Aisha , lol sunnis man

You first learn the basics, there are no "Sahih Sitta". You cursed Majoosi, learn Arabic instead of putting avatars of an homosexual drunkard (Isma'il Safawi). It's SIHAH (you have to use the plural of Sahih) Sittah but even that is not accurate as it is: al-Kutub al-Sittah, the six books, as only two of them are generally Sahih, not all six. And no, the Prophet (peace be upon him) never made mistakes in Tajweed, he was a human and forgot (and this is what al-Saduq and some early Rafidah also believed about him and the Imams and they cursed you lot for believing otherwise). Reciting the Qur'an like laughing stocks is the hellmark of your Ayatul-Satans of the accursed city of Qom. "WalazzzOwwwleen" city, lol.
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

Ebn Hussein

Bro there is an ayah clearly condeming Aisha and hafsah and saying their hearts deviated, And NOWHERE does any tafsir or Hadith say they repented, it says perhaps if u were to be divorced u will be replaced by such and such women, what's interesting is one of the qualities was a "muslim wife", which goes to show that Aisha didn't even possess the qualities of the average Muslim woman at the time

It's not condemning, it's warning and censoring. So what? You Rafidah are notorious to be losers at two three things when it comes to the Qur'an:

1- Qira'ah
2- Hifdh
3- Fahm

If you would have known the Qur'an you would have known that Allah CONSORES and WARNED the Prophet (peace be upon him) more than once in the Qur'an. In fact, in the very Surah Tahrim that you lot selectively quote, Allah says:

O Prophet, why do you prohibit [yourself from] what Allah has made lawful for you, seeking the approval of your wives? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. (66:1)

The above supports Islamic-Sunni believe, i.e. that the Prophet was infallible (in delivering the Message), however he was a human being and even he was CORRECTED by Allah (yet Power Ranger like Imams of the Rafidah never forget, never commit a single mistake, all Anti-Quranic beliefs), in fact even CONSORED, as the Surah starts of by CENSORING him (which proves that he was not an imposter, otherwise what kind of imposter would censore himself in the book he allegedly wrote himself as the enemies of Islam claim?).

So if the Prophet (peace be upon him) can be censored, then everybody else can. That doesn't make anyone evil or bad.

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NOWHERE does any tafsir or Hadith say they repented, it says perhaps if u were to be divorced u will be replaced by such and such women,

Quoting complete verses will destroy your absurd interpretation:

"Perhaps his Lord, if he divorced you [all], would substitute for him wives better than you - submitting [to Allah ], believing, devoutly obedient, repentant, worshipping, and traveling - [ones] previously married and virgins." (66:5)

That verse is what you Rafidah wished wasn't in the Qur'an, as the point is that he NEVER divorced 'Aishah and Hafsah, he stayed with them until he died i.e. Allah did NOT substitute them and this can only mean that they were good wives after all, otherwise Allah would have substituted them (which he didn't).

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what's interesting is one of the qualities was a "muslim wife", which goes to show that Aisha didn't even possess the qualities of the average Muslim woman at the time

Again you are ignorant of the Qur'an and Tafasir, 'Aishah was censored (so was the Prophet in the Qur'an) but the her ultimate decision gained her the ultimate pleasure of Allah as she (like all other wives) was given an important option:

The Reward of His Wives for choosing to stay with the Messenger   


Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid, Ad-Dahhak, Qatadah, Ibn Zayd, Ibn Jarir and others stated that this Ayah was revealed as a reward to the wives of the Prophet expressing Allah's pleasure with them for their excellent decision in choosing Allah and His Messenger and the Home of the Hereafter, when the Messenger of Allah gave them the choice. When they chose the Messenger of Allah their reward was that Allah restricted him to these wives, and forbade him to marry anyone else or to change them for other wives.

Allah says: ("O Prophet! Say to your wives...''))

"O Prophet! say to your wives: If you desire this world's life and its adornment, then come, I will give you a provision and allow you to depart a goodly departing

And if you desire Allah and His Apostle and the latter abode, then surely Allah has prepared for the doers of good among you a mighty reward. (33:28-29)

.... and he recited the two Ayat. I ('AISHAH) said to him, "Concerning what do I need to consult my parents I choose Allah and His Messenger and the Home of the Hereafter.'' He also narrated it without a chain of narrators, and added, "She said, then all the wives of the Prophet did the same as I.''

Imam Ahmad recorded that `A'ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, said: "The Messenger of Allah gave us the choice, and we chose him, so giving us that choice was not regarded as divorce.''

The Prophet never divorced 'Aisha, 'Aisha chose the hereafter, the Sahih narration of 'Ammar also testifies that she will be in Paradise with her husband.

Also don't speak of Tafasir, I know our Tafasir and the biggest irony is that whoever reads the Tafsir about Surah Tahrim will realise that

1) The Prophet was CENSORED by Allah for making something HARAM on himself and his wives were censored TOO. It's not just abou the wives.

2) It was the truthful 'Omar who was worried and SUGGESTED that the Prophet (peace be upon him) could after all divorce any of his wives if he wishes

 Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Anas said that 'Omar bin Al-Khattab said, "I heard news that the Mothers of the faithful had a dispute with the Prophet . So I advised them, saying, `Either stop bothering Allah's Messenger or Allah MIGHT provide him better wives than you.

3) Thereupon the Ayat of option was revealed and the Prophet CHOSE to stay with ALL his wives and he himself never made a fuss about what happened nor did he ever use that incident to make Takfir of his wives nor to declare them evil as the Rafidah do.
« Last Edit: December 08, 2016, 05:41:08 AM by Ebn Hussein »
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

Abu_Lulu

Bro there is an ayah clearly condeming Aisha and hafsah and saying their hearts deviated, And NOWHERE does any tafsir or Hadith say they repented, it says perhaps if u were to be divorced u will be replaced by such and such women, what's interesting is one of the qualities was a "muslim wife", which goes to show that Aisha didn't even possess the qualities of the average Muslim woman at the time

It's not condemning, it's warning and censoring. So what? You Rafidah are notorious to be losers at two three things when it comes to the Qur'an:

1- Qira'ah
2- Hifdh
3- Fahm

If you would have known the Qur'an you would have known that Allah CONSORES and WARNED the Prophet (peace be upon him) more than once in the Qur'an. In fact, in the very Surah Tahrim that you lot selectively quote, Allah says:

O Prophet, why do you prohibit [yourself from] what Allah has made lawful for you, seeking the approval of your wives? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. (66:1)

The above supports Islamic-Sunni believe, i.e. that the Prophet was infallible (in delivering the Message), however he was a human being and even he was CORRECTED by Allah (yet Power Ranger like Imams of the Rafidah never forget, never commit a single mistake, all Anti-Quranic beliefs), in fact even CONSORED, as the Surah starts of by CENSORING him (which proves that he was not an imposter, otherwise what kind of imposter would censore himself in the book he allegedly wrote himself as the enemies of Islam claim?).

So if the Prophet (peace be upon him) can be censored, then everybody else can. That doesn't make anyone evil or bad.

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NOWHERE does any tafsir or Hadith say they repented, it says perhaps if u were to be divorced u will be replaced by such and such women,

Quoting complete verses will destroy your absurd interpretation:

"Perhaps his Lord, if he divorced you [all], would substitute for him wives better than you - submitting [to Allah ], believing, devoutly obedient, repentant, worshipping, and traveling - [ones] previously married and virgins." (66:5)

That verse is what you Rafidah wished wasn't in the Qur'an, as the point is that he NEVER divorced 'Aishah and Hafsah, he stayed with them until he died i.e. Allah did NOT substitute them and this can only mean that they were good wives after all, otherwise Allah would have substituted them (which he didn't).

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what's interesting is one of the qualities was a "muslim wife", which goes to show that Aisha didn't even possess the qualities of the average Muslim woman at the time

Again you are ignorant of the Qur'an and Tafasir, 'Aishah was censored (so was the Prophet in the Qur'an) but the her ultimate decision gained her the ultimate pleasure of Allah as she (like all other wives) was given an important option:

The Reward of His Wives for choosing to stay with the Messenger   


Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid, Ad-Dahhak, Qatadah, Ibn Zayd, Ibn Jarir and others stated that this Ayah was revealed as a reward to the wives of the Prophet expressing Allah's pleasure with them for their excellent decision in choosing Allah and His Messenger and the Home of the Hereafter, when the Messenger of Allah gave them the choice. When they chose the Messenger of Allah their reward was that Allah restricted him to these wives, and forbade him to marry anyone else or to change them for other wives.

Allah says: ("O Prophet! Say to your wives...''))

"O Prophet! say to your wives: If you desire this world's life and its adornment, then come, I will give you a provision and allow you to depart a goodly departing

And if you desire Allah and His Apostle and the latter abode, then surely Allah has prepared for the doers of good among you a mighty reward. (33:28-29)

.... and he recited the two Ayat. I ('AISHAH) said to him, "Concerning what do I need to consult my parents I choose Allah and His Messenger and the Home of the Hereafter.'' He also narrated it without a chain of narrators, and added, "She said, then all the wives of the Prophet did the same as I.''

Imam Ahmad recorded that `A'ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, said: "The Messenger of Allah gave us the choice, and we chose him, so giving us that choice was not regarded as divorce.''

The Prophet never divorced 'Aisha, 'Aisha chose the hereafter, the Sahih narration of 'Ammar also testifies that she will be in Paradise with her husband.

Also don't speak of Tafasir, I know our Tafasir and the biggest irony is that whoever reads the Tafsir about Surah Tahrim will realise that

1) The Prophet was CENSORED by Allah for making something HARAM on himself and his wives were censored TOO. It's not just abou the wives.

2) It was the truthful 'Omar who was worried and SUGGESTED that the Prophet (peace be upon him) could after all divorce any of his wives if he wishes

 Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Anas said that 'Omar bin Al-Khattab said, "I heard news that the Mothers of the faithful had a dispute with the Prophet . So I advised them, saying, `Either stop bothering Allah's Messenger or Allah MIGHT provide him better wives than you.

3) Thereupon the Ayat of option was revealed and the Prophet CHOSE to stay with ALL his wives and he himself never made a fuss about what happened nor did he ever use that incident to make Takfir of his wives nor to declare them evil as the Rafidah do.
man Sunnis always attacking the Prophet (saw) to cover for Aisha. RasulAllah (saw) didn't commit any sin here, he just decided not to drink that drink anymore because of the filthy lies of Aisha and hafsah saying the blessed breath of the Prophet saw smelled bad and Allah told him he doesn't need to trouble himself because of it seeking the approval of his wives. And the part you left out of your first post was the part that CLEARLY says Aisha and hafsahs hearts deviated and they should repent, so if we can't call Aisha a kafira , we can definitely call her a munharif, if this ayah doesn't prove her kufr , the least it proves is that condemning and criticizing her for her filthy actions during and after the Prophets saw life isn't haraam
If it were not for Ali, umar would have been destroyed!
-Umar ibn al Khattab

Abu_Lulu

Bro there is an ayah clearly condeming Aisha and hafsah and saying their hearts deviated, And NOWHERE does any tafsir or Hadith say they repented, it says perhaps if u were to be divorced u will be replaced by such and such women, what's interesting is one of the qualities was a "muslim wife", which goes to show that Aisha didn't even possess the qualities of the average Muslim woman at the time

It's not condemning, it's warning and censoring. So what? You Rafidah are notorious to be losers at two three things when it comes to the Qur'an:

1- Qira'ah
2- Hifdh
3- Fahm

If you would have known the Qur'an you would have known that Allah CONSORES and WARNED the Prophet (peace be upon him) more than once in the Qur'an. In fact, in the very Surah Tahrim that you lot selectively quote, Allah says:

O Prophet, why do you prohibit [yourself from] what Allah has made lawful for you, seeking the approval of your wives? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. (66:1)

The above supports Islamic-Sunni believe, i.e. that the Prophet was infallible (in delivering the Message), however he was a human being and even he was CORRECTED by Allah (yet Power Ranger like Imams of the Rafidah never forget, never commit a single mistake, all Anti-Quranic beliefs), in fact even CONSORED, as the Surah starts of by CENSORING him (which proves that he was not an imposter, otherwise what kind of imposter would censore himself in the book he allegedly wrote himself as the enemies of Islam claim?).

So if the Prophet (peace be upon him) can be censored, then everybody else can. That doesn't make anyone evil or bad.

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NOWHERE does any tafsir or Hadith say they repented, it says perhaps if u were to be divorced u will be replaced by such and such women,

Quoting complete verses will destroy your absurd interpretation:

"Perhaps his Lord, if he divorced you [all], would substitute for him wives better than you - submitting [to Allah ], believing, devoutly obedient, repentant, worshipping, and traveling - [ones] previously married and virgins." (66:5)

That verse is what you Rafidah wished wasn't in the Qur'an, as the point is that he NEVER divorced 'Aishah and Hafsah, he stayed with them until he died i.e. Allah did NOT substitute them and this can only mean that they were good wives after all, otherwise Allah would have substituted them (which he didn't).

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what's interesting is one of the qualities was a "muslim wife", which goes to show that Aisha didn't even possess the qualities of the average Muslim woman at the time

Again you are ignorant of the Qur'an and Tafasir, 'Aishah was censored (so was the Prophet in the Qur'an) but the her ultimate decision gained her the ultimate pleasure of Allah as she (like all other wives) was given an important option:

The Reward of His Wives for choosing to stay with the Messenger   


Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid, Ad-Dahhak, Qatadah, Ibn Zayd, Ibn Jarir and others stated that this Ayah was revealed as a reward to the wives of the Prophet expressing Allah's pleasure with them for their excellent decision in choosing Allah and His Messenger and the Home of the Hereafter, when the Messenger of Allah gave them the choice. When they chose the Messenger of Allah their reward was that Allah restricted him to these wives, and forbade him to marry anyone else or to change them for other wives.

Allah says: ("O Prophet! Say to your wives...''))

"O Prophet! say to your wives: If you desire this world's life and its adornment, then come, I will give you a provision and allow you to depart a goodly departing

And if you desire Allah and His Apostle and the latter abode, then surely Allah has prepared for the doers of good among you a mighty reward. (33:28-29)

.... and he recited the two Ayat. I ('AISHAH) said to him, "Concerning what do I need to consult my parents I choose Allah and His Messenger and the Home of the Hereafter.'' He also narrated it without a chain of narrators, and added, "She said, then all the wives of the Prophet did the same as I.''

Imam Ahmad recorded that `A'ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, said: "The Messenger of Allah gave us the choice, and we chose him, so giving us that choice was not regarded as divorce.''

The Prophet never divorced 'Aisha, 'Aisha chose the hereafter, the Sahih narration of 'Ammar also testifies that she will be in Paradise with her husband.

Also don't speak of Tafasir, I know our Tafasir and the biggest irony is that whoever reads the Tafsir about Surah Tahrim will realise that

1) The Prophet was CENSORED by Allah for making something HARAM on himself and his wives were censored TOO. It's not just abou the wives.

2) It was the truthful 'Omar who was worried and SUGGESTED that the Prophet (peace be upon him) could after all divorce any of his wives if he wishes

 Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Anas said that 'Omar bin Al-Khattab said, "I heard news that the Mothers of the faithful had a dispute with the Prophet . So I advised them, saying, `Either stop bothering Allah's Messenger or Allah MIGHT provide him better wives than you.

3) Thereupon the Ayat of option was revealed and the Prophet CHOSE to stay with ALL his wives and he himself never made a fuss about what happened nor did he ever use that incident to make Takfir of his wives nor to declare them evil as the Rafidah do.


man Sunnis always attacking the Prophet (saw) to cover for Aisha. RasulAllah (saw) didn't commit any sin here, he just decided not to drink that drink anymore because of the filthy lies of Aisha and hafsah saying the blessed breath of the Prophet saw smelled bad and Allah told him he doesn't need to trouble himself because of it seeking the approval of his wives. And the part you left out of your first post was the part that CLEARLY says Aisha and hafsahs hearts deviated and they should repent, so if we can't call Aisha a kafira , we can definitely call her a munharif, if this ayah doesn't prove her kufr , the least it proves is that condemning and criticizing her for her filthy actions during and after the Prophets saw life isn't haraam. Also the ayah says the doers among you good , it's not absolute to every single wife, just like the ayah about sahaba says "and those among them who believe" , which shows it's not absolute. Oh and as for ur statement about the Prophet saw forgetting Quran (and being reminded by his sahaba who would learn ghusl from women), this goes against the Quran

"We will make you recite, [O Muhammad], and you will not forget,"

Now let me quote ibn kathir before U play Sunni word twisting games with the Quran

"(so you shall not forget,) is, "do not forget'' and that which would be abrogated, is merely an exception to this. Meaning, `do not forget what We teach you to recite, except what Allah wills, which He removes and there is no sin on your leaving it off (not retaining it).' Concerning Allah's statement,"

So Aisha's filthy accusation that the Prophet saw constantly forgot the Quran and needed to be reminded by people who themselves would learn ghusl from Aisha is kufr and against the Quran :) another evidence we can use against Aisha
 
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If it were not for Ali, umar would have been destroyed!
-Umar ibn al Khattab

Abu_Lulu

I've watched a clip of one of the tyre-heads from Yasser al-Khabith's gang. A little foul mouthed idolater whose video is loved and shared by all Islam haters and people who can't believe that they actually found someone ascribed to Islam, making their dreams come true portraying the Prophet (saws) as someone who was constantly surrounded by filth (as per the claim of the Rafidah, may Allah curse them):

https://youtu.be/B88iR9JCF4M

Alot of cheap shubuhat in this clip, but on what I want to concentrate is counterargument of the Rafidah that they constantly use against less knowledgable Sunnis who quote the following verse (as the Tyre-head does in the clip with his ugly Tawjid):

الْخَبِيثَاتُ لِلْخَبِيثِينَ وَالْخَبِيثُونَ لِلْخَبِيثَاتِ وَالطَّيِّبَاتُ لِلطَّيِّبِينَ وَالطَّيِّبُونَ لِلطَّيِّبَاتِ أُوْلَئِكَ مُبَرَّؤُونَ مِمَّا يَقُولُونَ لَهُم مَّغْفِرَةٌ وَرِزْقٌ كَرِيمٌ
النور : 26

Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women. Good women are for good men, and good men for good women; such are innocent of that which people say: For them is pardon and a bountiful provision.

First response of the tyred Shaitan (everything in brackets are my comments), paraphrased: Tafasir of the Bakris (رضی الله عنهم) does not say that it is about a particular woman, let alone 'Aishah, it's in defense of a number of Sahabah women who were insulted for migrating.

Muslim response: Well, firstly, thanks for admitting that Allah revealed verses in defense of the wives of the Sahabah, for all what they have sacrificed for this religion. Secondly, there is a known Qa'idah among all scholars, of all sciences, especially the Qur'an:

العبرة بعموم اللفظ لا بخصوص السبب

which can be translated to: "What counts is the general meaning of the words, not the specific reason for revelation"

So this verse (like many other verses) obviously has a specific sabab (cause) of revelation, however its meaning (like all verses, except abrogated ones) is general.

Now when you ask the Rawafid if Ali b. Abi Talib is Khabith (vile) or good (Tayyib) they will say good (Tayyib), and indeed this is the truth.

When you asked them was his wife good (Tayyibah) or vile (Khabithah), they will say she was a Tayyibah (good), and indeed this is the truth.

He (Ali) is good and she (Fatimah) is good hence the verse (... Good women are for good men, and good men for good women....) applies on them without a shadow of doubt

Yet when you ask the Rafidah (الله يأخذهم) if the Messenger of Allah (صل الله علیه و على آله و سلم) is good (Tayyib), they will say yes, but if you ask them about two specific wives of him, especially 'Aishah, they will say she is a Khabithah (vile)!

I say: Ya Rafidah, in your ignorance you have portrayed the Prophet as a vile man, as the verse clearly states:

... Vile women are for vile men ...

NOWHERE does the verse state that a Khabithah (vile women) can possibily be with a Tayyib (good), let alone the purest of all creation, the final Messenger (peace be upon him). The Rafidah KNOW that the verse is clear, they fail to refute Allah's words, so what they do is two things:

1. They mention how the Prophet did divorced some women (or some became apostates).

Counter argument: First of all this proves that the Prophet had no knowledge of the unseen, let alone the knowledge of the unseen that is ascribed to the Imams (who know the amount of drops in the ocean, every leaf that fells of a tree i.e. strikingly similar to how ALLAHS knowledge of the unseen is described in the Qur'an) by the Rafidah. These women (if all narrations the tyre head wildly quotes from NON Sahih sources) became evil in a LATER stage and were divorced, so they are not Tayyibaat (good women) by default anymore.

2. Last thing left for them is to do QIYAS (analogy), this is what they often do in their desperation when clear text refute their evil beliefs.


Qiyas between Nooh's and Lut's (علیهما السلام) evil wives, debunking the Rafidi comparison with evidences from their own books:

The Rafidah are hell-bent to prove that a number of wives of the Prophet (by the way, they also hate Maymunah and of course Umm Habibah, sister of Mu'awiyah!) are evil kafiraat, in order to do that they resort to Qiyas, citing how other Prophets other than our Prophet also WILLINGLY married vile kafir women for "various" reasons. This is the verse they normally quote (to apply it on two wives of the last and final Messenger of Allah!):

ضَرَبَ اللَّهُ مَثَلًا لِّلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا اِمْرَأَةَ نُوحٍ وَاِمْرَأَةَ لُوطٍ كَانَتَا تَحْتَ عَبْدَيْنِ مِنْ عِبَادِنَا صَالِحَيْنِ فَخَانَتَاهُمَا فَلَمْ يُغْنِيَا عَنْهُمَا مِنَ اللَّهِ شَيْئًا وَقِيلَ ادْخُلَا النَّارَ مَعَ الدَّاخِلِينَ

Allah sets forth an example for those who disbelieve, the wife of Nuh (Noah) and the wife of Lout (Lot). They were under two of our righteous slaves, but they both betrayed their (husbands by rejecting their doctrine) so they [Nuh (Noah) and Lout (Lot)] benefited them (their respective wives) not, against Allah, and it was said: "Enter the Fire along with those who enter!"

Refutation to their Qiyas and misuse of the verse above:

We will first refute them with the Qur'an itself (which most of them don't master in any shape or form, neither Tajwid wise, Tafsir, let alone Hifdh):


وَأَنزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ بِالْحَقِّ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ مِنَ الْكِتَابِ وَمُهَيْمِنًا عَلَيْهِ فَاحْكُم بَيْنَهُم بِمَا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ وَلاَ تَتَّبِعْ أَهْوَاءهُمْ عَمَّا جَاءكَ مِنَ الْحَقِّ لِكُلٍّ جَعَلْنَا مِنكُمْ شِرْعَةً وَمِنْهَاجًا وَلَوْ شَاء اللّهُ لَجَعَلَكُمْ أُمَّةً وَاحِدَةً وَلَـكِن لِّيَبْلُوَكُمْ فِي مَا آتَاكُم فَاسْتَبِقُوا الخَيْرَاتِ إِلَى الله مَرْجِعُكُمْ جَمِيعًا فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمْ فِيهِ تَخْتَلِفُونَ {48

And unto thee have We revealed the Scripture with the truth, confirming whatever Scripture was before it, and a watcher over it. So judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires away from the truth which hath come unto thee. For each We have appointed a divine law and a traced-out way. Had Allah willed He could have made you one community. But that He may try you by that which He hath given you (He hath made you as ye are). So vie one with another in good works. Unto Allah ye will all return, and He will then inform you of that wherein ye differ.

From the basics of Islamic knowledge is to know that all the previous Umam (pl. of Ummah) although of course being united in their Da3wah and Aqidah (i.e. call to Tawhid that united all Prophets, from Adam to Khaatam علیهم السلام), yet differed in their SHARA'IH (pl. of Shari'ah) i.e. in their divine law. There are plenty of examples; Prostrating (as a form of GREETING) was allowed in the Shari'ah of Ya'qoob, yet it is absolutely forbidden in the Shari'ah of Muhammad (peace be upon him). Basically, what was Halal to some previous nations is Haram to us and vice versa.

In the time of Nuh and Lut (عليهما السلام) marrying a kafir wasn't prohibited (Nuh even offered his daughters to the Kuffar, another misused fact that Rafidah use to justify why 'Ali gave his daughter to 'Omar!!!), their Shari'ah (not 'Aqidah) was different to ours as it is clear from other verses.

“Do not marry idolatresses (al mushrikāt) till they believe; and certainly a believing maid is better than an idolatress even though she would please you; and do not marry idolaters (al Mushrikīn) till they believe (hata yūminū), and certainly a believing slave is better than an idolater, even though he would please you. These invite to the Fire, and Allah invites to the Garden and to forgiveness by His grace, and makes clear His revelations to mankind so that they may remember.”

[al-Baqarah 2:221].

^The above verse is what our Shari'ah, the last Shari'ah for all of mankind prohibits us to do, namely to marry ANY of our believing women to kuffar or to marry their kafir women (exceptions are Ahl al-Kitab only). According to our Shari'ah Muslim man are also prohibited to wed ANY polytheist woman EXCEPT the people of the book. According to the dumb Rafidah, 'Aishah, and Hafsa were VILE IMPURE Munafiqaat and Kafiraat whom the Prophet WILLINGLY married because Allah told him so in order to TEST the Ummah (with 'Aishah) in the future (Jamal etc.), yet Allah says:

Do not marry idolatresses (al mushrikāt) till they believe; and certainly a believing maid is better than an idolatress even though she would please you ..." Qur’an 2:221.

Rafidah (like Yasser al-Khabith) argue that Prophets can be exempted from some rules, like how it was lawful to our Prophet to marry more than four fives, or the opposite, like how the qiyam prayer was mandatory upon him (whilst being optional to the rest of the Ummah).

Answer: All prohibitions in the Qur'an are first and foremost addressed to the Prophet (as he received the revelation first) then the rest of us, him having "EXTRA" rights (more than four wives) and EXTRA obligations (Qiyam prayer, EVERY NIGHT!) does not exempt him from any prohibition, let alone the prohibition of him marrying the most evil and vile IMPURE hypocrites (according to the Rafidah). The Prophet (صل الله علیه و على آله و سلم) would have never done that, nor his he to be compared to anyone else (even if he's the Prophet), our Prophet was the last Messenger of Allah, he only married pure and believing women to the best of his knowledge, he would have never married an impure kafirah, and Allah decreed that he never divorces her.
and don't make shia Quran jokes when according to ur sahih sitta the Prophet saw used to make Quran mistakes often and had to be corrected by his sahaba who themselves needed to learn ghusl from Aisha , lol sunnis man

You first learn the basics, there are no "Sahih Sitta". You cursed Majoosi, learn Arabic instead of putting avatars of an homosexual drunkard (Isma'il Safawi). It's SIHAH (you have to use the plural of Sahih) Sittah but even that is not accurate as it is: al-Kutub al-Sittah, the six books, as only two of them are generally Sahih, not all six. And no, the Prophet (peace be upon him) never made mistakes in Tajweed, he was a human and forgot (and this is what al-Saduq and some early Rafidah also believed about him and the Imams and they cursed you lot for believing otherwise). Reciting the Qur'an like laughing stocks is the hellmark of your Ayatul-Satans of the accursed city of Qom. "WalazzzOwwwleen" city, lol.

The munafiqeen used to mock the pronunciation of Bellal (ra), the Man U guys sent to Syria for not giving bayah  to Abu bakr :) ur teacher mullazadeh speaks Arabic with an accent too but U never seem to mock him shemrani:)))
If it were not for Ali, umar would have been destroyed!
-Umar ibn al Khattab

Abu_Lulu

Bro there is an ayah clearly condeming Aisha and hafsah and saying their hearts deviated, And NOWHERE does any tafsir or Hadith say they repented, it says perhaps if u were to be divorced u will be replaced by such and such women, what's interesting is one of the qualities was a "muslim wife", which goes to show that Aisha didn't even possess the qualities of the average Muslim woman at the time

It's not condemning, it's warning and censoring. So what? You Rafidah are notorious to be losers at two three things when it comes to the Qur'an:

1- Qira'ah
2- Hifdh
3- Fahm

If you would have known the Qur'an you would have known that Allah CONSORES and WARNED the Prophet (peace be upon him) more than once in the Qur'an. In fact, in the very Surah Tahrim that you lot selectively quote, Allah says:

O Prophet, why do you prohibit [yourself from] what Allah has made lawful for you, seeking the approval of your wives? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. (66:1)

The above supports Islamic-Sunni believe, i.e. that the Prophet was infallible (in delivering the Message), however he was a human being and even he was CORRECTED by Allah (yet Power Ranger like Imams of the Rafidah never forget, never commit a single mistake, all Anti-Quranic beliefs), in fact even CONSORED, as the Surah starts of by CENSORING him (which proves that he was not an imposter, otherwise what kind of imposter would censore himself in the book he allegedly wrote himself as the enemies of Islam claim?).

So if the Prophet (peace be upon him) can be censored, then everybody else can. That doesn't make anyone evil or bad.

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NOWHERE does any tafsir or Hadith say they repented, it says perhaps if u were to be divorced u will be replaced by such and such women,

Quoting complete verses will destroy your absurd interpretation:

"Perhaps his Lord, if he divorced you [all], would substitute for him wives better than you - submitting [to Allah ], believing, devoutly obedient, repentant, worshipping, and traveling - [ones] previously married and virgins." (66:5)

That verse is what you Rafidah wished wasn't in the Qur'an, as the point is that he NEVER divorced 'Aishah and Hafsah, he stayed with them until he died i.e. Allah did NOT substitute them and this can only mean that they were good wives after all, otherwise Allah would have substituted them (which he didn't).

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what's interesting is one of the qualities was a "muslim wife", which goes to show that Aisha didn't even possess the qualities of the average Muslim woman at the time

Again you are ignorant of the Qur'an and Tafasir, 'Aishah was censored (so was the Prophet in the Qur'an) but the her ultimate decision gained her the ultimate pleasure of Allah as she (like all other wives) was given an important option:

The Reward of His Wives for choosing to stay with the Messenger   


Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid, Ad-Dahhak, Qatadah, Ibn Zayd, Ibn Jarir and others stated that this Ayah was revealed as a reward to the wives of the Prophet expressing Allah's pleasure with them for their excellent decision in choosing Allah and His Messenger and the Home of the Hereafter, when the Messenger of Allah gave them the choice. When they chose the Messenger of Allah their reward was that Allah restricted him to these wives, and forbade him to marry anyone else or to change them for other wives.

Allah says: ("O Prophet! Say to your wives...''))

"O Prophet! say to your wives: If you desire this world's life and its adornment, then come, I will give you a provision and allow you to depart a goodly departing

And if you desire Allah and His Apostle and the latter abode, then surely Allah has prepared for the doers of good among you a mighty reward. (33:28-29)

.... and he recited the two Ayat. I ('AISHAH) said to him, "Concerning what do I need to consult my parents I choose Allah and His Messenger and the Home of the Hereafter.'' He also narrated it without a chain of narrators, and added, "She said, then all the wives of the Prophet did the same as I.''

Imam Ahmad recorded that `A'ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, said: "The Messenger of Allah gave us the choice, and we chose him, so giving us that choice was not regarded as divorce.''

The Prophet never divorced 'Aisha, 'Aisha chose the hereafter, the Sahih narration of 'Ammar also testifies that she will be in Paradise with her husband.

Also don't speak of Tafasir, I know our Tafasir and the biggest irony is that whoever reads the Tafsir about Surah Tahrim will realise that

1) The Prophet was CENSORED by Allah for making something HARAM on himself and his wives were censored TOO. It's not just abou the wives.

2) It was the truthful 'Omar who was worried and SUGGESTED that the Prophet (peace be upon him) could after all divorce any of his wives if he wishes

 Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Anas said that 'Omar bin Al-Khattab said, "I heard news that the Mothers of the faithful had a dispute with the Prophet . So I advised them, saying, `Either stop bothering Allah's Messenger or Allah MIGHT provide him better wives than you.

3) Thereupon the Ayat of option was revealed and the Prophet CHOSE to stay with ALL his wives and he himself never made a fuss about what happened nor did he ever use that incident to make Takfir of his wives nor to declare them evil as the Rafidah do.


man Sunnis always attacking the Prophet (saw) to cover for Aisha. RasulAllah (saw) didn't commit any sin here, he just decided not to drink that drink anymore because of the filthy lies of Aisha and hafsah saying the blessed breath of the Prophet saw smelled bad and Allah told him he doesn't need to trouble himself because of it seeking the approval of his wives. And the part you left out of your first post was the part that CLEARLY says Aisha and hafsahs hearts deviated and they should repent, so if we can't call Aisha a kafira , we can definitely call her a munharif, if this ayah doesn't prove her kufr , the least it proves is that condemning and criticizing her for her filthy actions during and after the Prophets saw life isn't haraam. Also the ayah says the doers among you good , it's not absolute to every single wife, just like the ayah about sahaba says "and those among them who believe" , which shows it's not absolute. Oh and as for ur statement about the Prophet saw forgetting Quran (and being reminded by his sahaba who would learn ghusl from women), this goes against the Quran

"We will make you recite, [O Muhammad], and you will not forget,"

Now let me quote ibn kathir before U play Sunni word twisting games with the Quran

"(so you shall not forget,) is, "do not forget'' and that which would be abrogated, is merely an exception to this. Meaning, `do not forget what We teach you to recite, except what Allah wills, which He removes and there is no sin on your leaving it off (not retaining it).' Concerning Allah's statement,"

So Aisha's filthy accusation that the Prophet saw constantly forgot the Quran and needed to be reminded by people who themselves would learn ghusl from Aisha is kufr and against the Quran :) another evidence we can use against Aisha
If it were not for Ali, umar would have been destroyed!
-Umar ibn al Khattab

Ebn Hussein

First learn to quote, smh.

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man Sunnis always attacking the Prophet (saw) to cover for Aisha.

Hashaa lillaah. It's just the Qur'an doesn't support your religion, it is not my fault that the very Surah you and your sect try to use to make Takfir (and not just censoring) the mother of the believers 'Aishah, is the very Surah that STARTS OFF censoring the Prophet, peace be upon him. Yes, censoring, it's clear Arabic that you don't know, but even the translation which is accurate should make you think how false your own religion is.


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RasulAllah (saw) didn't commit any sin here, he just decided not to drink that drink anymore because of the filthy lies of Aisha and hafsah saying the blessed breath of the Prophet saw smelled bad and Allah told him he doesn't need to trouble himself because of it seeking the approval of his wives.

I never used the word sin, what you and your sect can never refute is: He was CENSORED and asked why he made something HARAM for himself, he made a mistake and was corrected by his lord. A Muslim-Sunni belief, the Qur'an is on our side while you exaggerators believe your 12 Power Ranger likes semi-deities can't commit a single mistake let alone being CENSORED by their Lord. Get over it, the Qur'an is Anti-Rafidi.

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And the part you left out of your first post was the part that CLEARLY says Aisha and hafsahs hearts deviated and they should repent, so if we can't call Aisha a kafira ,

I did not leave anything out, I commented on what you said and posted relevant tafsir plus I've proven through other verses that obviously both did repent as they were given the choice to stay with the Messenger and in return get Jannah, well guess what, they did.


we can definitely call her a munharif,

Munharif is masculine, the female form of munharif must be used. Ya Salaam, in what times we live that some mushrik descendant of Ghengis Khan says "at least I can call her munharif". No you can't, as she was censored AS was the Prophet, can you call him Munharif? No. But at least you agree that the Muslim Qur'an doesn't provide evidence for you guys to make Takfir on her.

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if this ayah doesn't prove her kufr , the least it proves is that condemning and criticizing her for her filthy actions during and after the Prophets saw life isn't haraam.

Watch your mouth you vile kafir. The Qur'an itself has censored their actions and it served as a reminder for them and all other wives and in fact all Muslim wives in the world, that the wisdom behind it. That's how Muslims understand and learn from the incident not using it to prove that they were inherently evil and other Rafidi nonsense.

The rest of your rantings have nothing to do with the topic. Don't think I will waste my time with a kid who makes blunders (how many times did I catch you?)

PS: One big lie of yours:

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So Aisha's filthy accusation that the Prophet saw constantly forgot the Quran and needed to be reminded by people


Nowhere is it reported that he constantly forgot, stop lying your wretched kafir Rafidi (in the words of my Imam, Imam al-Sadiq).
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

Abu_Lulu

First learn to quote, smh.

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man Sunnis always attacking the Prophet (saw) to cover for Aisha.

Hashaa lillaah. It's just the Qur'an doesn't support your religion, it is not my fault that the very Surah you and your sect try to use to make Takfir (and not just censoring) the mother of the believers 'Aishah, is the very Surah that STARTS OFF censoring the Prophet, peace be upon him. Yes, censoring, it's clear Arabic that you don't know, but even the translation which is accurate should make you think how false your own religion is.


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RasulAllah (saw) didn't commit any sin here, he just decided not to drink that drink anymore because of the filthy lies of Aisha and hafsah saying the blessed breath of the Prophet saw smelled bad and Allah told him he doesn't need to trouble himself because of it seeking the approval of his wives.

I never used the word sin, what you and your sect can never refute is: He was CENSORED and asked why he made something HARAM for himself, he made a mistake and was corrected by his lord. A Muslim-Sunni belief, the Qur'an is on our side while you exaggerators believe your 12 Power Ranger likes semi-deities can't commit a single mistake let alone being CENSORED by their Lord. Get over it, the Qur'an is Anti-Rafidi.

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And the part you left out of your first post was the part that CLEARLY says Aisha and hafsahs hearts deviated and they should repent, so if we can't call Aisha a kafira ,

I did not leave anything out, I commented on what you said and posted relevant tafsir plus I've proven through other verses that obviously both did repent as they were given the choice to stay with the Messenger and in return get Jannah, well guess what, they did.


we can definitely call her a munharif,

Munharif is masculine, the female form of munharif must be used. Ya Salaam, in what times we live that some mushrik descendant of Ghengis Khan says "at least I can call her munharif". No you can't, as she was censored AS was the Prophet, can you call him Munharif? No. But at least you agree that the Muslim Qur'an doesn't provide evidence for you guys to make Takfir on her.

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if this ayah doesn't prove her kufr , the least it proves is that condemning and criticizing her for her filthy actions during and after the Prophets saw life isn't haraam.

Watch your mouth you vile kafir. The Qur'an itself has censored their actions and it served as a reminder for them and all other wives and in fact all Muslim wives in the world, that the wisdom behind it. That's how Muslims understand and learn from the incident not using it to prove that they were inherently evil and other Rafidi nonsense.

The rest of your rantings have nothing to do with the topic. Don't think I will waste my time with a kid who makes blunders (how many times did I catch you?)

PS: One big lie of yours:

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So Aisha's filthy accusation that the Prophet saw constantly forgot the Quran and needed to be reminded by people


Nowhere is it reported that he constantly forgot, stop lying your wretched kafir Rafidi (in the words of my Imam, Imam al-Sadiq).

It says if they stay then the doer of good among them will be rewarded, then after that Allah says whoever of them does good they will be given twice the reward and whoever does bad will be given TWICE the punishment in the hereafter, totally destroying ur claim that they are all going to heaven because they stayed. All people will be judged by their actions.

O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.
49:13

If your interpretation is that all of them are going to jannah merely because they stayed, then Allah wouldn't have said "the doers of good among you" rather he would say all of you.

He also wouldn't warn them and say they wil be punished twicefold if they commit obscenity if they are all amazing women and guaranteed paradise for staying.

And according to Hadith of Sunnis we can see so many instances where Aisha went against the Quran, for example when Aisha left her house when ordered to stay in her home. Now the bakri argument is "oh there is exceptions", however according to Sunni tafsir riding a camel to lead battle (women during times of ignorance) was not an exception

(And stay in your houses,) means, stay in your houses and do not come out except for a purpose. One of the purposes mentioned in Shari`ah is prayer in the Masjid, so long as the conditions are fulfilled, as the Messenger of Allah said:
(Do not prevent the female servants of Allah from the Masjids of Allah, but have them go out without wearing fragrance.) According to another report: (and do not Tabarruj yourselves like the Tabarruj of the times of ignorance,) Mujahid said: "Women used to go out walking in front of men, and this was the Tabarruj of Jahiliyyah.'' Qatadah said:
(and do not Tabarruj yourselves like the Taburruj of the times of ignorance,) "When they go out of their homes walking in a shameless and flirtatious manner, and Allah, may He be exalted, forbade that.'' Muqatil bin Hayyan said:

As for your claim that Sunni hadiths don't have these narrations about Prophet saw forgetting ayahs , let's see what umul Zina had to say about it

Narrated Aisha: The Prophet heard a man reciting the Qur'an in the mosque and said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such Verses of such a Surah." (Bukhari: volume 6, book 61, number 556, Khan)

Narrated Hisham: (The same Hadith, adding): which I missed (modifying the Verses). (Bukhari: volume 6, book 61, number 557, Khan)

'A'isha reported that the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) heard a person reciting the Qur'an at night. Upon this he said: May Allah show mercy to him; he has reminded me of such and such a verse which I had missed in such and such a surah. (Muslim: book 4, number 1720, Siddique)

'A'isha reported that the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) listened to the recitation of the Qur'an by a man in the mosque. Thereupon he said: May Allah have mercy upon him; be reminded me of the verse which I had been made to forget. (Muslim: book 4, number 1721, Siddique)

Narrated Mu'awiyah ibn Khudayj: One day the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) prayed and gave the salutation while a rak'ah of the prayer remained to be offered. A man went to him and said: You forgot to offer one rak'ah of prayer. ... (Abu Dawud: book 3, number 1018, Hasan)

Narrated Imran ibn Husayn: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) led them in prayer and forgot something, so he made prostrations and uttered the tashahhud, then gave the salutation. (Abu Dawud: book 3, number 1034, Hasan)

Narrated Abdullah ibn Mas'ud: ... (Muhammad said) I am only a human being and I forget just as you do; so when I forget, remind me, ... (Abu Dawud: book 3, number 1015, Hasan)

Narrated 'Abdullah: ... (Muhammad said) I am a human being like you and liable to forget like you. So if I forget remind me ... (Bukhari: volume 1, book 8, number 394, Khan)

Now let's see what the Prophet saw himself said about someone who forgets an ayah

Narrated 'Abdullah:
that the Prophet (ﷺ) said: "How horrible it is for one of them - or - one of you to say: "I have forgotten such and such Ayah,' rather he was made to forget. So be mindful of the Qur'an, for - by the One in Whose Hand is my soul - it escapes from men's hearts faster than a camel from its fetter."  : Vol. 5, Book 43, Hadith 2942
Arabic reference    : Book 46, Hadith 3194
« Last Edit: December 08, 2016, 05:07:24 PM by Abu_Lulu »
If it were not for Ali, umar would have been destroyed!
-Umar ibn al Khattab

Ebn Hussein

The aya destroys you as it proves he never divorced her nor did Allah REPLACE her with a better wife, she was good enough and chose him and the akhira, which is a pain to you guys. I know the Quran is so anti Shia, but that's not my fault.

Also, of course they must perform good deeds, even the Prophet himself who is a Peophet! The wives (like anybody else) did good deeds and had their their mistakes, howwever, Allah will be forgiven them and let them unite with the Messenger in paradise according to many Sahih narrations.

Let me refute you with Ammar bin Yasser whom you lot claim to revere. He said she will be in paradise so do I and you will oppose him as you lot have always opposed the true Ali and his Shia:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/islamistruth.wordpress.com/2011/09/27/aishara-is-in-paradise-according-to-prophetpbuh-supporters-of-alira-major-bani-hashimra-figures/amp/
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

Abu_Lulu

The aya destroys you as it proves he never divorced her nor did Allah REPLACE her with a better wife, she was good enough and chose him and the akhira, which is a pain to you guys. I know the Quran is so anti Shia, but that's not my fault.

Also, of course they must perform good deeds, even the Prophet himself who is a Peophet! The wives (like anybody else) did good deeds and had their their mistakes, howwever, Allah will be forgiven them and let them unite with the Messenger in paradise according to many Sahih narrations.

Let me refute you with Ammar bin Yasser whom you lot claim to revere. He said she will be in paradise so do I and you will oppose him as you lot have always opposed the true Ali and his Shia:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/islamistruth.wordpress.com/2011/09/27/aishara-is-in-paradise-according-to-prophetpbuh-supporters-of-alira-major-bani-hashimra-figures/amp/

U keep quoting that Hadith of Ammar ra but keep ignoring the part which says she was a TEST from Allah , Allah uses a good chaste woman to test us whether they follow him or Aisha? Give me a break man

And the ayah says her heart deviated and IF SHE WAS DIVORCED Allah can easily replace her with better wives and then lists qualities she did not possess (being a Muslim)
« Last Edit: December 08, 2016, 05:26:46 PM by Abu_Lulu »
If it were not for Ali, umar would have been destroyed!
-Umar ibn al Khattab

Hani

The aya destroys you as it proves he never divorced her nor did Allah REPLACE her with a better wife, she was good enough and chose him and the akhira, which is a pain to you guys. I know the Quran is so anti Shia, but that's not my fault.

Also, of course they must perform good deeds, even the Prophet himself who is a Peophet! The wives (like anybody else) did good deeds and had their their mistakes, howwever, Allah will be forgiven them and let them unite with the Messenger in paradise according to many Sahih narrations.

Let me refute you with Ammar bin Yasser whom you lot claim to revere. He said she will be in paradise so do I and you will oppose him as you lot have always opposed the true Ali and his Shia:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/islamistruth.wordpress.com/2011/09/27/aishara-is-in-paradise-according-to-prophetpbuh-supporters-of-alira-major-bani-hashimra-figures/amp/

U keep quoting that Hadith of Ammar ra but keep ignoring the part which says she was a TEST from Allah , Allah uses a good chaste woman to test us whether they follow him or Aisha? Give me a break man

And the ayah says her heart deviated and IF SHE WAS DIVORCED Allah can easily replace her with better wives and then lists qualities she did not possess (being a Muslim)

How can Ammar say she will be the Prophet's wife in Jannah if she's non Muslim you ignorant? Think before you type.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Ebn Hussein

The aya destroys you as it proves he never divorced her nor did Allah REPLACE her with a better wife, she was good enough and chose him and the akhira, which is a pain to you guys. I know the Quran is so anti Shia, but that's not my fault.

Also, of course they must perform good deeds, even the Prophet himself who is a Peophet! The wives (like anybody else) did good deeds and had their their mistakes, howwever, Allah will be forgiven them and let them unite with the Messenger in paradise according to many Sahih narrations.

Let me refute you with Ammar bin Yasser whom you lot claim to revere. He said she will be in paradise so do I and you will oppose him as you lot have always opposed the true Ali and his Shia:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/islamistruth.wordpress.com/2011/09/27/aishara-is-in-paradise-according-to-prophetpbuh-supporters-of-alira-major-bani-hashimra-figures/amp/

U keep quoting that Hadith of Ammar ra but keep ignoring the part which says she was a TEST from Allah , Allah uses a good chaste woman to test us whether they follow him or Aisha? Give me a break man

And the ayah says her heart deviated and IF SHE WAS DIVORCED Allah can easily replace her with better wives and then lists qualities she did not possess (being a Muslim)

Nobody ignores the other part, Ammar had all right to say that, he was in 'Ali's army and believed that despite the rightful demand of 'Aishah and others, absolute obedience shall be given to 'Ali, the rightful caliph. I am with him on this but also on the fact that 'Aishah is the wife of the Prophet in JANNAH. Something you guys can't digest, as it destroys your entire religion and premises.

And the ayah says her heart deviated and IF SHE WAS DIVORCED Allah can easily replace her with better wives and then lists qualities she did not possess (being a Muslim)

If, but she was not. Also, she is his wife in the NEXT WORLD. According to us the Prophet is in Paradise, so she being his wife in the next world can only mean Paradise, except if you people secretly believe he (peace be upon him) is in hell ... Do you realise what a dumb statement you made? How Allah is exposing you in every post? Fear Allah.
« Last Edit: December 08, 2016, 07:48:43 PM by Ebn Hussein »
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

muslim720

As for your claim that Sunni hadiths don't have these narrations about Prophet saw forgetting ayahs , let's see what umul Zina had to say about it

Quite baffling to see children of mutah refer to pure women as "umul zina".  However, the image that children of mutah have of women is what they project on others.  With that in mind, I forgive you for what you have said; you have only given us a glimpse of your upbringing and family structure.

Quote
Narrated Aisha: The Prophet heard a man reciting the Qur'an in the mosque and said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such Verses of such a Surah." (Bukhari: volume 6, book 61, number 556, Khan)

Narrated Hisham: (The same Hadith, adding): which I missed (modifying the Verses). (Bukhari: volume 6, book 61, number 557, Khan)

'A'isha reported that the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) heard a person reciting the Qur'an at night. Upon this he said: May Allah show mercy to him; he has reminded me of such and such a verse which I had missed in such and such a surah. (Muslim: book 4, number 1720, Siddique)

'A'isha reported that the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) listened to the recitation of the Qur'an by a man in the mosque. Thereupon he said: May Allah have mercy upon him; be reminded me of the verse which I had been made to forget. (Muslim: book 4, number 1721, Siddique)

There are nearly four opinions (backed by evidence) given as to why it is dispraised to say, "I have forgotten such a verse from the Quran".  Out of those four reasons, the one opinion which uses the same narrations you have quoted as evidence says that that the Companions should not say that the Prophet (saw) had forgotten such-and-such verses of the Quran because it is Allah (swt) who causes him (saw) to forget the verses that were abrogated.  Scholars who interpreted it as such maintained that the meaning of the hadith is as follows, "Do not say about me, 'You have forgotten such-and-such verse of the Quran'.  Allah (swt) causes me to forget these verses which are abrogated.  Allah (swt) says, "We will make you recite, [O Muhammad], and you will not forget.  Except what Allah should will."  [Quran 87:6-7]

The verses that Allah (swt) made the Prophet (saw) forget are the ones that were abrogated which is why your own quoted narration says, "...which I missed (modifying the Verses)".
« Last Edit: December 09, 2016, 01:44:00 AM by muslim720 »

muslim720

As for the Prophet (saw) forgetting the number of rakah, here is what Al-Kafi says.

"And here’s hadith sahih from al-kafi which agrees with what was narrated in Sahih Bukhari about the man who asked the prophet if prayer was changed because the Prophet (saw) forgot the number of prayers !

    الكليني عن محمد بن يحيى ، عن أحمد بن محمد بن عيسى عن عثمان بن عيسى عن سماعة بن مهران قال : قال أبو عبد الله عليه السلام : من حفظ سهوه فأتمه فليس عليه سجدتا السهو ، فإن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم صلى بالناس والظهر ركعتين ثم سها فسلم ، فقال له ذو الشمالين : يا رسول الله أنزل في الصلاة شيء ؟
    فقال وما ذلك ؟
    فقال : إنما صليت ركعتين ، فقال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم : أتقولون مثل قوله ؟ قالوا : نعم فقام رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم فأتم بها الصلاة وسجد بهم سجدتي السهو قال : قلت : أرأيت من صلى ركعتين وظن أنهما أربعاً فسلم وانصرف ثم ذكر بعدما ذهب أنه صلى ركعتين ، قال : يستقبل الصلاة من أولها ، فقال : قلت : فما بال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم لم يستقبل الصلاة وإنما أتم بهم ما بقي من صلاته ؟ فقال : أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم لم يبرح من مجلسه ، فإن كان لم يبرح من مجلسه فليتم ما نقص من صلاته إذا كان قد حفظ الركعتين الأوليتين

this hadith is extremely sahih see : al-kafi volume 3 page 355

In short: the hadith says that rasool allah (s.a.w.) prayed “dhuhr prayer” two rak’at only and did tasleem so a guy from sahabh called “dhu al-shamalain” told him: oh rasool allah has something happened to prayer , so rasool allah asked : what’s that? so he answered : you prayed only two rak’ats so rasool allah prayed two rak’at of “sahu” (meaning forgetfulness).."

 

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