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Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses

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Ebn Hussein

I've watched a clip of one of the tyre-heads from Yasser al-Khabith's gang. A little foul mouthed idolater whose video is loved and shared by all Islam haters and people who can't believe that they actually found someone ascribed to Islam, making their dreams come true portraying the Prophet (saws) as someone who was constantly surrounded by filth (as per the claim of the Rafidah, may Allah curse them):

https://youtu.be/B88iR9JCF4M

Alot of cheap shubuhat in this clip, but on what I want to concentrate is counterargument of the Rafidah that they constantly use against less knowledgable Sunnis who quote the following verse (as the Tyre-head does in the clip with his ugly Tawjid):

الْخَبِيثَاتُ لِلْخَبِيثِينَ وَالْخَبِيثُونَ لِلْخَبِيثَاتِ وَالطَّيِّبَاتُ لِلطَّيِّبِينَ وَالطَّيِّبُونَ لِلطَّيِّبَاتِ أُوْلَئِكَ مُبَرَّؤُونَ مِمَّا يَقُولُونَ لَهُم مَّغْفِرَةٌ وَرِزْقٌ كَرِيمٌ
النور : 26

Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women. Good women are for good men, and good men for good women; such are innocent of that which people say: For them is pardon and a bountiful provision.

First response of the tyred Shaitan (everything in brackets are my comments), paraphrased: Tafasir of the Bakris (رضی الله عنهم) does not say that it is about a particular woman, let alone 'Aishah, it's in defense of a number of Sahabah women who were insulted for migrating.

Muslim response: Well, firstly, thanks for admitting that Allah revealed verses in defense of the wives of the Sahabah, for all what they have sacrificed for this religion. Secondly, there is a known Qa'idah among all scholars, of all sciences, especially the Qur'an:

العبرة بعموم اللفظ لا بخصوص السبب

which can be translated to: "What counts is the general meaning of the words, not the specific reason for revelation"

So this verse (like many other verses) obviously has a specific sabab (cause) of revelation, however its meaning (like all verses, except abrogated ones) is general.

Now when you ask the Rawafid if Ali b. Abi Talib is Khabith (vile) or good (Tayyib) they will say good (Tayyib), and indeed this is the truth.

When you asked them was his wife good (Tayyibah) or vile (Khabithah), they will say she was a Tayyibah (good), and indeed this is the truth.

He (Ali) is good and she (Fatimah) is good hence the verse (... Good women are for good men, and good men for good women....) applies on them without a shadow of doubt

Yet when you ask the Rafidah (الله يأخذهم) if the Messenger of Allah (صل الله علیه و على آله و سلم) is good (Tayyib), they will say yes, but if you ask them about two specific wives of him, especially 'Aishah, they will say she is a Khabithah (vile)!

I say: Ya Rafidah, in your ignorance you have portrayed the Prophet as a vile man, as the verse clearly states:

... Vile women are for vile men ...

NOWHERE does the verse state that a Khabithah (vile women) can possibily be with a Tayyib (good), let alone the purest of all creation, the final Messenger (peace be upon him). The Rafidah KNOW that the verse is clear, they fail to refute Allah's words, so what they do is two things:

1. They mention how the Prophet did divorced some women (or some became apostates).

Counter argument: First of all this proves that the Prophet had no knowledge of the unseen, let alone the knowledge of the unseen that is ascribed to the Imams (who know the amount of drops in the ocean, every leaf that fells of a tree i.e. strikingly similar to how ALLAHS knowledge of the unseen is described in the Qur'an) by the Rafidah. These women (if all narrations the tyre head wildly quotes from NON Sahih sources) became evil in a LATER stage and were divorced, so they are not Tayyibaat (good women) by default anymore.

2. Last thing left for them is to do QIYAS (analogy), this is what they often do in their desperation when clear text refute their evil beliefs.


Qiyas between Nooh's and Lut's (علیهما السلام) evil wives, debunking the Rafidi comparison with evidences from their own books:

The Rafidah are hell-bent to prove that a number of wives of the Prophet (by the way, they also hate Maymunah and of course Umm Habibah, sister of Mu'awiyah!) are evil kafiraat, in order to do that they resort to Qiyas, citing how other Prophets other than our Prophet also WILLINGLY married vile kafir women for "various" reasons. This is the verse they normally quote (to apply it on two wives of the last and final Messenger of Allah!):

ضَرَبَ اللَّهُ مَثَلًا لِّلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا اِمْرَأَةَ نُوحٍ وَاِمْرَأَةَ لُوطٍ كَانَتَا تَحْتَ عَبْدَيْنِ مِنْ عِبَادِنَا صَالِحَيْنِ فَخَانَتَاهُمَا فَلَمْ يُغْنِيَا عَنْهُمَا مِنَ اللَّهِ شَيْئًا وَقِيلَ ادْخُلَا النَّارَ مَعَ الدَّاخِلِينَ

Allah sets forth an example for those who disbelieve, the wife of Nuh (Noah) and the wife of Lout (Lot). They were under two of our righteous slaves, but they both betrayed their (husbands by rejecting their doctrine) so they [Nuh (Noah) and Lout (Lot)] benefited them (their respective wives) not, against Allah, and it was said: "Enter the Fire along with those who enter!"

Refutation to their Qiyas and misuse of the verse above:

We will first refute them with the Qur'an itself (which most of them don't master in any shape or form, neither Tajwid wise, Tafsir, let alone Hifdh):


وَأَنزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ بِالْحَقِّ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ مِنَ الْكِتَابِ وَمُهَيْمِنًا عَلَيْهِ فَاحْكُم بَيْنَهُم بِمَا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ وَلاَ تَتَّبِعْ أَهْوَاءهُمْ عَمَّا جَاءكَ مِنَ الْحَقِّ لِكُلٍّ جَعَلْنَا مِنكُمْ شِرْعَةً وَمِنْهَاجًا وَلَوْ شَاء اللّهُ لَجَعَلَكُمْ أُمَّةً وَاحِدَةً وَلَـكِن لِّيَبْلُوَكُمْ فِي مَا آتَاكُم فَاسْتَبِقُوا الخَيْرَاتِ إِلَى الله مَرْجِعُكُمْ جَمِيعًا فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمْ فِيهِ تَخْتَلِفُونَ {48

And unto thee have We revealed the Scripture with the truth, confirming whatever Scripture was before it, and a watcher over it. So judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires away from the truth which hath come unto thee. For each We have appointed a divine law and a traced-out way. Had Allah willed He could have made you one community. But that He may try you by that which He hath given you (He hath made you as ye are). So vie one with another in good works. Unto Allah ye will all return, and He will then inform you of that wherein ye differ.

From the basics of Islamic knowledge is to know that all the previous Umam (pl. of Ummah) although of course being united in their Da3wah and Aqidah (i.e. call to Tawhid that united all Prophets, from Adam to Khaatam علیهم السلام), yet differed in their SHARA'IH (pl. of Shari'ah) i.e. in their divine law. There are plenty of examples; Prostrating (as a form of GREETING) was allowed in the Shari'ah of Ya'qoob, yet it is absolutely forbidden in the Shari'ah of Muhammad (peace be upon him). Basically, what was Halal to some previous nations is Haram to us and vice versa.

In the time of Nuh and Lut (عليهما السلام) marrying a kafir wasn't prohibited (Nuh even offered his daughters to the Kuffar, another misused fact that Rafidah use to justify why 'Ali gave his daughter to 'Omar!!!), their Shari'ah (not 'Aqidah) was different to ours as it is clear from other verses.

“Do not marry idolatresses (al mushrikāt) till they believe; and certainly a believing maid is better than an idolatress even though she would please you; and do not marry idolaters (al Mushrikīn) till they believe (hata yūminū), and certainly a believing slave is better than an idolater, even though he would please you. These invite to the Fire, and Allah invites to the Garden and to forgiveness by His grace, and makes clear His revelations to mankind so that they may remember.”

[al-Baqarah 2:221].

^The above verse is what our Shari'ah, the last Shari'ah for all of mankind prohibits us to do, namely to marry ANY of our believing women to kuffar or to marry their kafir women (exceptions are Ahl al-Kitab only). According to our Shari'ah Muslim man are also prohibited to wed ANY polytheist woman EXCEPT the people of the book. According to the dumb Rafidah, 'Aishah, and Hafsa were VILE IMPURE Munafiqaat and Kafiraat whom the Prophet WILLINGLY married because Allah told him so in order to TEST the Ummah (with 'Aishah) in the future (Jamal etc.), yet Allah says:

Do not marry idolatresses (al mushrikāt) till they believe; and certainly a believing maid is better than an idolatress even though she would please you ..." Qur’an 2:221.

Rafidah (like Yasser al-Khabith) argue that Prophets can be exempted from some rules, like how it was lawful to our Prophet to marry more than four fives, or the opposite, like how the qiyam prayer was mandatory upon him (whilst being optional to the rest of the Ummah).

Answer: All prohibitions in the Qur'an are first and foremost addressed to the Prophet (as he received the revelation first) then the rest of us, him having "EXTRA" rights (more than four wives) and EXTRA obligations (Qiyam prayer, EVERY NIGHT!) does not exempt him from any prohibition, let alone the prohibition of him marrying the most evil and vile IMPURE hypocrites (according to the Rafidah). The Prophet (صل الله علیه و على آله و سلم) would have never done that, nor his he to be compared to anyone else (even if he's the Prophet), our Prophet was the last Messenger of Allah, he only married pure and believing women to the best of his knowledge, he would have never married an impure kafirah, and Allah decreed that he never divorces her.






الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

Ebn Hussein

Extra points to ponder over:

1. It can be argued that Nooh and Luts wives have became kafirs at a LATER stage as the verse says:

"... but they both betrayed their husbands ..."

Betrayel is preceeded by trust and belief.

2. The evil wives of Nooh and Lut are clearly doomed (and not WARNED as the mother of the believers are) in the Qur'an, Allah even mentioning how:

Lut: "So We saved him and his family, except for his wife; she was of those who remained [with the evildoers. And We rained upon them a rain [of stones]. Then see how was the end of the criminals. (Qur'an, 7:83-84)

As for Nooh:

His wife did not join him and was drown with the rest of the Kuffar.

Where are such as verses about ANY of the mother of the believers? The Prophet lived with them till the last moment of his life, despite some trials (fitnah of Jamal), 'Aishah is reported to have constantly seek forgiveness for having been involved in the fitnah in the first place. No calamity fell upon her, she lived a long life and the Prophet is buried in HER chamber (not 'Ali's or anybody elses house).

Heck, the very fact that Allah always uses أزواج or نساء for ALL the wives of the Prophet (صل الله علیه و سلم) instead of امرأة proves that the wives of our Prophet are different to all other wives. Yes, they have been warned (even the Prophet has been warned in the Qur'an), but Allah never even addressed them with امرأة (which itself is a linguistic wonder of the Qur'an as Imra'ah is used for a wife is opposed to ther husband in many ways, hence Nooh's and Lut's wives are referred to as "Imra'ah" whereas Hawa, muslim wives and of course the mother of the believers are always referred to as AZWAJ/NISAA'!
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

MuslimK

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Good refutation.

Another verse: الزَّانِي لَا يَنكِحُ إِلَّا زَانِيَةً أَوْ مُشْرِكَةً وَالزَّانِيَةُ لَا يَنكِحُهَا إِلَّا زَانٍ أَوْ مُشْرِكٌ ۚ وَحُرِّمَ ذَٰلِكَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ
The fornicator does not marry except a [female] fornicator or polytheist, and none marries her except a fornicator or a polytheist, and that has been made unlawful to the believers. (24:3)

Also, Allah calls the wives of the Prophet (saw) "MOTHERS OF THE BELIEVERS". Even if they claim it means not marrying them, it is still in their honour and that they should be respected. While Allah refered to wives of Nuh (as) and Lut (as) as those who disbelieved.

In another verse Allah (swt) says "Do not HARM the Prophet by marrying his wives after him" (33:53). But these people of fitna harm the Prophet (saw) by slandering/cursing his pure wives. This is another verse in their honour. How can these Takfiri Sabaites compare the mothers of the believers with disbelieving women such as the wives of Lut (as) and Nuh (as)?


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GreatChineseFall

The irony is that some of them use the exact same argument when trying to prove that Abu Talib must have been a Muslim by having remained a husband of Fatima bint Asad.

(For the record: Most if not all the commands present in the quoted verses were revealed way after Abu Talib passed away)
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Ijtaba

Extra points to ponder over:

1. It can be argued that Nooh and Luts wives have became kafirs at a LATER stage as the verse says:

"... but they both betrayed their husbands ..."

Betrayel is preceeded by trust and belief.

Heck, the very fact that Allah always uses أزواج or نساء for ALL the wives of the Prophet (صل الله علیه و سلم) instead of امرأة proves that the wives of our Prophet are different to all other wives. Yes, they have been warned (even the Prophet has been warned in the Qur'an), but Allah never even addressed them with امرأة (which itself is a linguistic wonder of the Qur'an as Imra'ah is used for a wife is opposed to ther husband in many ways, hence Nooh's and Lut's wives are referred to as "Imra'ah" whereas Hawa, muslim wives and of course the mother of the believers are always referred to as AZWAJ/NISAA'!

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 4, Book 55, Number 547:


Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "But for the Israelis, meat would not decay and but for Eve, wives would never betray their husbands."

According to the above quoted ahadith it is because of Hadrat Hawwa (s.a) that wives of Nabi Nooh (a.s) and Nabi Lut (a.s) betrayed their husbands.

muslim720

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 4, Book 55, Number 547:


Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "But for the Israelis, meat would not decay and but for Eve, wives would never betray their husbands."

According to the above quoted ahadith it is because of Hadrat Hawwa (s.a) that wives of Nabi Nooh (a.s) and Nabi Lut (a.s) betrayed their husbands.

It is not exactly as you want to interpret it.  I will only quote the relevant portion and provide you the link to read the entire thing, if you wish to do so.

Shaykh Taqi Usmani writes:
“al-Hafiz (Ibn Hajr) said: It has a reference to what Eve did when she tried to seduce Adam to eat from the tree until he actually did.  And since she was the mother of the daughters of Adam (all females), they in turn resembled her by birth and genes, that you can hardly find a woman that had not betrayed her husband in one shape or form.  And here betrayal does not mean infidelity.  Far be it!  It rather refers here to the incident where Eve inclined to the desire of eating from the tree and she beautified that to Adam, it was counted as a kind of betrayal for him.  But for all women who came after her, their kinds of betrayals varied in levels and forms.  And what is similar to that Hadith is the Hadith that says "And Adam denied, so his descendants denied."

And in this Hadith is a consolation for those men - who have been afflicted by some actions of their women - through the mention of what had happened from their great grandmother, affirming that this is one of their natural traits.  So the man shouldn't excessively blame the woman who unintentionally or occasionally errs or wrongs him.  And for the woman not to dwell in such a manner but to discipline herself and fight her desires.  It is so in Fath al-Bari.” (Takmilah Fath al-Mulhim, vol.1 pp.139-140)

Does this Hadith imply the blame rests on Eve alone?
Not really, because the sin was committed by both and Islam holds that both of them were basically seduced by the Devil.  In fact, Islamic sources explicitly state that Devil seduced them both.  In Qur’an 20: 120 it is mentioned that the Devil seduced Adam –may Allah bless him.  This Hadith suggests Devil first spoke to Eve –may Allah bless her- and Qur’an (7:20) plainly says that Devil seduced them both.  So, clearly the Islamic standpoint is that both of them made the mistake.  The betrayal referred to in this particular Hadith is about Eve speaking to Adam –may Allah bless them both- about the forbidden tree.  Eve having been deceived spoke to Adam but Devil himself also seduced Adam as clear from Qur’an 20: 120.

Why specifically mention of Eve here?
As clear from Qur’anic references cited above Devil seduced both Adam and Eve and as Qur’an says they both prayed to Allah for forgiveness after the whole thing took place. See Qur’an 7: 22-23.
 However the stress about Eve here is to instruct the man not to over react when a woman makes a mistake for the same was done by his own great grandmother.  This is just natural for her.

You can read the entire post at http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2011/06/meat-israel-eve-betray-hadith.html

Ijtaba

It is not exactly as you want to interpret it.  I will only quote the relevant portion and provide you the link to read the entire thing, if you wish to do so.

And how exactly did I want to interpret it? I did not interpret nor did I put my words in the quoted ahadith. The ahadith is open for everyone to see, read and understand. The quoted ahadith is clearly saying that "...but for Eve, wives would never betray their husbands." Wives of Nabi Nooh (a.s) and Nabi Lut (a.s) betrayed their husbands and if it wasn't for Hadhrat Hawwa (s.a) they would never had betrayed their husbands.

And about differences between Nisa, Azwaj and Imra'ah which original poster mentioned, I would like to know his view on wife of Imran (a.s) as she has been referred as Imra'ah of Imran (a.s) in following Ayat:

اِذْ قَالَتِ امْرَاَتُ عِمْرٰنَ رَبِّ اِنِّىْ نَذَرْتُ لَكَ مَا فِيْ بَطْنِىْ مُحَرَّرًا فَتَقَبَّلْ مِنِّىْ۝۰ۚ اِنَّكَ اَنْتَ السَّمِيْعُ الْعَلِيْمُ۝۳۵

[Mention, O Muhammad], when the wife of ‘Imran said, “My Lord, indeed I have pledged to You what is in my womb, consecrated [for Your service], so accept this from me. Indeed, You are the Hearing, the Knowing.”  (3:35)

muslim720

And how exactly did I want to interpret it? I did not interpret nor did I put my words in the quoted ahadith.

After I show you your interpretation, come back and tell me if you are still in denial (that you did not interpret anything).

In your own words, you said, "Wives of Nabi Nooh (a.s) and Nabi Lut (a.s) betrayed their husbands and if it wasn't for Hadhrat Hawwa (s.a) they would never had betrayed their husbands."

What would you call that?  Since the hadith does not refer to the wives of Nooh (asws) and Loot (asws), you are - by your own interpretation - extrapolating this narration to matters it does not pertain to.

Ijtaba

And how exactly did I want to interpret it? I did not interpret nor did I put my words in the quoted ahadith.
...Since the hadith does not refer to the wives of Nooh (asws) and Loot (asws), you are - by your own interpretation - extrapolating this narration to matters it does not pertain to.

Please enlighten me as to how does the ahadith exclude the wives of Prophet Nooh (a.s) & Lut (a.s)? Prophet (s) just mentioned wives (which would include all females who became wives from the time of Adam  till the last female becoming wife before Day of Judgement)

All females marrying and becoming wives are included in the above quoted ahadith. The ahadith is specifically talking about betrayal of wives and the reason wives betraying their husbands is because of Eve. And indeed wives of two Prophets did betray their husbands.

Can you please give me one ahadith in which blame is put on Hadhrat Adam (a.s) for husbands betraying their wives? I have yet to see such ahadith.


muslim720

Please enlighten me as to how does the ahadith exclude the wives of Prophet Nooh (a.s) & Lut (a.s)?

Where does the hadith include the wives of Nooh (asws) and Loot (asws)?

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Prophet (s) just mentioned wives (which would include all females who became wives from the time of Adam  till the last female becoming wife before Day of Judgement)

The Prophet (saw) mentioned all wives but you did not read the link I shared with you.  The reason why Hawaa (asws) was mentioned is "to instruct the man not to over react when a woman makes a mistake for the same was done by his own great grandmother".  In other words, it is to teach men to take it easy upon their wives when they make mistakes, not when they refuse to follow or rebel against the religion of Allah (swt).

The reason why you see this narration to condone your insinuation is because you have already inserted your interpretation into it.  Do you agree?

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And indeed wives of two Prophets did betray their husbands.

Betrayal as in small mistakes.  In the case of Hawaa (asws), her disobedience (and tempting of her husband) was unintentional.  The wives of the two Prophets (asws) in question rebelled in face of hundreds of years (between the two of them) of preaching and patience by their husbands (asws).

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Can you please give me one ahadith in which blame is put on Hadhrat Adam (a.s) for husbands betraying their wives? I have yet to see such ahadith.

Why do you need a hadith when the Qur'an blames both and in 20:120, it blamed Adam (asws)?  Also Qur'an 7:20 says that Iblees seduced them both.  Again, the hadith does not place the blame squarely upon Hawaa (asws) but is a lesson to men to be gentle toward women when they err.

Ijtaba

I don't know why is it hard to understand a simple ahadith. If you will read what's in the link provided by you then you will find same thing is mentioned what I am trying to say.

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And since she was the mother of the daughters of Adam (all females), they in turn resembled her by birth and genes, that you can hardly find a woman that had not betrayed her husband in one shape or form. And here betrayal does not mean infidelity. Far be it! It rather refers here to the incident where Eve inclined to the desire of eating from the tree and she beautified that to Adam, it was counted as a kind of betrayal for him. But for all women who came after her, their kinds of betrayals varied in levels and forms. And what is similar to that Hadith is the Hadith that says "And Adam denied, so his descendants denied.[5]"

Wives of Nabi Nooh (a.s) and Nabi Lut (a.s) also betrayed their husbands but their betrayal was to such extent and degree that led them into Fire. Wives of Nabi Nooh (a.s) and Nabi Lut (a.s) were not guilty of infidelity but of betrayal because GOD has Himself said Pure Men for Pure Women which makes wives of all Prophets Pure Women as their husbands were Pure.
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muslim720

I don't know why is it hard to understand a simple ahadith. If you will read what's in the link provided by you then you will find same thing is mentioned what I am trying to say.

It is "hard" for me to understand what you are saying (I am not finding it hard to understand a simple hadith because I have provided you the understanding of it) because I do not find the same thing being mentioned in the narration or in its explanation.

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Wives of Nabi Nooh (a.s) and Nabi Lut (a.s) also betrayed their husbands but their betrayal was to such extent and degree that led them into Fire. Wives of Nabi Nooh (a.s) and Nabi Lut (a.s) were not guilty of infidelity but of betrayal because GOD has Himself said Pure Men for Pure Women which makes wives of all Prophets Pure Women as their husbands were Pure.

I do not find a single mention of Nooh (asws) or Loot (asws), let alone their wives.  Therefore, the narration has nothing to do with your interpretation except by extrapolation.  Furthermore, to help you understand your fallacy, the narration has two portions.  The first portion says, "Were it not for Bani Israel, meat would not decay..."  Are you now going to blame the process of meat decay upon Bani Israel?  Of course not!  It means that Bani Israel were the first to keep food and meat until it would go bad and if it was not for them who started this habit, people would not have kept food for so long till it goes bad.  However, the argument you are making - in regards to Eve (as) - is the same as saying that Bani Israel is to be blamed for meat going bad and before that, meat would never decay.
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When Aisha married Rasool, she was a good person. Abu Baker and Umar were once good people too. They started to deviate nearer to the end of Rasool life, an you can read Suratal Tahreem if you think it's all Shia propaganda.

Two Surahs before Suratal Tahreem it says:

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِنَّ مِنْ أَزْوَاجِكُمْ وَأَوْلَادِكُمْ عَدُوًّا لَكُمْ فَاحْذَرُوهُمْ ۚ وَإِنْ تَعْفُوا وَتَصْفَحُوا وَتَغْفِرُوا فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ {14}

"O you who believe, from your wives and children there is an enemy towards you so, so take caution from them and if you pardon, forbear, and forgive, so then God is forgiving merciful"

And the next Surah is called "The Divorce" and talks about divoce.

Then the Suratal Tahreem threatens two wives of the Rasool with severe warnings, but they turned back and repented.

Allah and his Messenger, obviously, were sincere in their advice to Aisha and Hafsa and wanted them to turn away from injustice, and the advice is sincere.

1st it warns believers that they may have enemies from wives and children. Then talks about divorce in next Surah. Then gives an example of God and his Messenger trying their best to avoid divorce and reform wives.

Of course, if Aisha stayed on the path that Rasool called her back to and Allah called her back to in Suratal Tahreem, then she would not have fought Imam Ali.

Life is a continuous trial.
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When Aisha married Rasool, she was a good person. Abu Baker and Umar were once good people too. They started to deviate nearer to the end of Rasool life, an you can read Suratal Tahreem if you think it's all Shia propaganda.

Two Surahs before Suratal Tahreem it says:

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِنَّ مِنْ أَزْوَاجِكُمْ وَأَوْلَادِكُمْ عَدُوًّا لَكُمْ فَاحْذَرُوهُمْ ۚ وَإِنْ تَعْفُوا وَتَصْفَحُوا وَتَغْفِرُوا فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ {14}

"O you who believe, from your wives and children there is an enemy towards you so, so take caution from them and if you pardon, forbear, and forgive, so then God is forgiving merciful"

And the next Surah is called "The Divorce" and talks about divoce.

Then the Suratal Tahreem threatens two wives of the Rasool with severe warnings, but they turned back and repented.

Allah and his Messenger, obviously, were sincere in their advice to Aisha and Hafsa and wanted them to turn away from injustice, and the advice is sincere.

1st it warns believers that they may have enemies from wives and children. Then talks about divorce in next Surah. Then gives an example of God and his Messenger trying their best to avoid divorce and reform wives.

Of course, if Aisha stayed on the path that Rasool called her back to and Allah called her back to in Suratal Tahreem, then she would not have fought Imam Ali.

Life is a continuous trial.

Aisha did stay on that path. Ali Ra is not a divine being as if you disbelieve if you hold a different opinion than him. Ammar ibn Yasir Ra(Who you guys revere) was on Ali Ra's side at Jamal and he said Aisha Ra is the wife of the prophet IN PARADISE
They asked how many will be with the one I hate. I said 313

Sheikh

You can't blame Eve for the actions of the wives of Nooh and Lut.

That's like blaming a liquor store if you drank alcohol. Sure, the liquor store gave you the opportunity, but it was still your decision.

Ijtaba

You can't blame Eve for the actions of the wives of Nooh and Lut.

That's like blaming a liquor store if you drank alcohol. Sure, the liquor store gave you the opportunity, but it was still your decision.

Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "But for the Israelis, meat would not decay and but for Eve, wives would never betray their husbands."

The wording of ahadith is clear. But for Eve, Wives would never betray their Husbands.

Ebn Hussein


And about differences between Nisa, Azwaj and Imra'ah which original poster mentioned, I would like to know his view on wife of Imran (a.s) as she has been referred as Imra'ah of Imran (a.s) in following Ayat:

اِذْ قَالَتِ امْرَاَتُ عِمْرٰنَ رَبِّ اِنِّىْ نَذَرْتُ لَكَ مَا فِيْ بَطْنِىْ مُحَرَّرًا فَتَقَبَّلْ مِنِّىْ۝۰ۚ اِنَّكَ اَنْتَ السَّمِيْعُ الْعَلِيْمُ۝۳۵

[Mention, O Muhammad], when the wife of ‘Imran said, “My Lord, indeed I have pledged to You what is in my womb, consecrated [for Your service], so accept this from me. Indeed, You are the Hearing, the Knowing.”  (3:35)


Imra'ah is not an insult, it's neutral, but the wives of our Prophet have been given special titles, so they are by default better than the wives of other Prophets. As simple as that.

Wives of our Prophet are AZWAAJ and UMMUHAT, titles (in particular the latter) only for them.
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

Abu_Lulu


And about differences between Nisa, Azwaj and Imra'ah which original poster mentioned, I would like to know his view on wife of Imran (a.s) as she has been referred as Imra'ah of Imran (a.s) in following Ayat:

اِذْ قَالَتِ امْرَاَتُ عِمْرٰنَ رَبِّ اِنِّىْ نَذَرْتُ لَكَ مَا فِيْ بَطْنِىْ مُحَرَّرًا فَتَقَبَّلْ مِنِّىْ۝۰ۚ اِنَّكَ اَنْتَ السَّمِيْعُ الْعَلِيْمُ۝۳۵

[Mention, O Muhammad], when the wife of ‘Imran said, “My Lord, indeed I have pledged to You what is in my womb, consecrated [for Your service], so accept this from me. Indeed, You are the Hearing, the Knowing.”  (3:35)


Imra'ah is not an insult, it's neutral, but the wives of our Prophet have been given special titles, so they are by default better than the wives of other Prophets. As simple as that.

Wives of our Prophet are AZWAAJ and UMMUHAT, titles (in particular the latter) only for them.
Bro there is an ayah clearly condeming Aisha and hafsah and saying their hearts deviated, And NOWHERE does any tafsir or Hadith say they repented, it says perhaps if u were to be divorced u will be replaced by such and such women, what's interesting is one of the qualities was a "muslim wife", which goes to show that Aisha didn't even possess the qualities of the average Muslim woman at the time
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If it were not for Ali, umar would have been destroyed!
-Umar ibn al Khattab

Abu_Lulu


And about differences between Nisa, Azwaj and Imra'ah which original poster mentioned, I would like to know his view on wife of Imran (a.s) as she has been referred as Imra'ah of Imran (a.s) in following Ayat:

اِذْ قَالَتِ امْرَاَتُ عِمْرٰنَ رَبِّ اِنِّىْ نَذَرْتُ لَكَ مَا فِيْ بَطْنِىْ مُحَرَّرًا فَتَقَبَّلْ مِنِّىْ۝۰ۚ اِنَّكَ اَنْتَ السَّمِيْعُ الْعَلِيْمُ۝۳۵

[Mention, O Muhammad], when the wife of ‘Imran said, “My Lord, indeed I have pledged to You what is in my womb, consecrated [for Your service], so accept this from me. Indeed, You are the Hearing, the Knowing.”  (3:35)


Imra'ah is not an insult, it's neutral, but the wives of our Prophet have been given special titles, so they are by default better than the wives of other Prophets. As simple as that.

Wives of our Prophet are AZWAAJ and UMMUHAT, titles (in particular the latter) only for them.
Bro there is an ayah clearly condeming Aisha and hafsah and saying their hearts deviated, And NOWHERE does any tafsir or Hadith say they repented, it says perhaps if u were to be divorced u will be replaced by such and such women, what's interesting is one of the qualities was a "muslim wife", which goes to show that Aisha didn't even possess the qualities of the average Muslim woman at the time, also U said vile men and vile women wasn't applicable to the time of Nuh (as) and Lut (as), what is your evidence for that? You made that claim with no evidence
If it were not for Ali, umar would have been destroyed!
-Umar ibn al Khattab

Abu_Lulu

I've watched a clip of one of the tyre-heads from Yasser al-Khabith's gang. A little foul mouthed idolater whose video is loved and shared by all Islam haters and people who can't believe that they actually found someone ascribed to Islam, making their dreams come true portraying the Prophet (saws) as someone who was constantly surrounded by filth (as per the claim of the Rafidah, may Allah curse them):

https://youtu.be/B88iR9JCF4M

Alot of cheap shubuhat in this clip, but on what I want to concentrate is counterargument of the Rafidah that they constantly use against less knowledgable Sunnis who quote the following verse (as the Tyre-head does in the clip with his ugly Tawjid):

الْخَبِيثَاتُ لِلْخَبِيثِينَ وَالْخَبِيثُونَ لِلْخَبِيثَاتِ وَالطَّيِّبَاتُ لِلطَّيِّبِينَ وَالطَّيِّبُونَ لِلطَّيِّبَاتِ أُوْلَئِكَ مُبَرَّؤُونَ مِمَّا يَقُولُونَ لَهُم مَّغْفِرَةٌ وَرِزْقٌ كَرِيمٌ
النور : 26

Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women. Good women are for good men, and good men for good women; such are innocent of that which people say: For them is pardon and a bountiful provision.

First response of the tyred Shaitan (everything in brackets are my comments), paraphrased: Tafasir of the Bakris (رضی الله عنهم) does not say that it is about a particular woman, let alone 'Aishah, it's in defense of a number of Sahabah women who were insulted for migrating.

Muslim response: Well, firstly, thanks for admitting that Allah revealed verses in defense of the wives of the Sahabah, for all what they have sacrificed for this religion. Secondly, there is a known Qa'idah among all scholars, of all sciences, especially the Qur'an:

العبرة بعموم اللفظ لا بخصوص السبب

which can be translated to: "What counts is the general meaning of the words, not the specific reason for revelation"

So this verse (like many other verses) obviously has a specific sabab (cause) of revelation, however its meaning (like all verses, except abrogated ones) is general.

Now when you ask the Rawafid if Ali b. Abi Talib is Khabith (vile) or good (Tayyib) they will say good (Tayyib), and indeed this is the truth.

When you asked them was his wife good (Tayyibah) or vile (Khabithah), they will say she was a Tayyibah (good), and indeed this is the truth.

He (Ali) is good and she (Fatimah) is good hence the verse (... Good women are for good men, and good men for good women....) applies on them without a shadow of doubt

Yet when you ask the Rafidah (الله يأخذهم) if the Messenger of Allah (صل الله علیه و على آله و سلم) is good (Tayyib), they will say yes, but if you ask them about two specific wives of him, especially 'Aishah, they will say she is a Khabithah (vile)!

I say: Ya Rafidah, in your ignorance you have portrayed the Prophet as a vile man, as the verse clearly states:

... Vile women are for vile men ...

NOWHERE does the verse state that a Khabithah (vile women) can possibily be with a Tayyib (good), let alone the purest of all creation, the final Messenger (peace be upon him). The Rafidah KNOW that the verse is clear, they fail to refute Allah's words, so what they do is two things:

1. They mention how the Prophet did divorced some women (or some became apostates).

Counter argument: First of all this proves that the Prophet had no knowledge of the unseen, let alone the knowledge of the unseen that is ascribed to the Imams (who know the amount of drops in the ocean, every leaf that fells of a tree i.e. strikingly similar to how ALLAHS knowledge of the unseen is described in the Qur'an) by the Rafidah. These women (if all narrations the tyre head wildly quotes from NON Sahih sources) became evil in a LATER stage and were divorced, so they are not Tayyibaat (good women) by default anymore.

2. Last thing left for them is to do QIYAS (analogy), this is what they often do in their desperation when clear text refute their evil beliefs.


Qiyas between Nooh's and Lut's (علیهما السلام) evil wives, debunking the Rafidi comparison with evidences from their own books:

The Rafidah are hell-bent to prove that a number of wives of the Prophet (by the way, they also hate Maymunah and of course Umm Habibah, sister of Mu'awiyah!) are evil kafiraat, in order to do that they resort to Qiyas, citing how other Prophets other than our Prophet also WILLINGLY married vile kafir women for "various" reasons. This is the verse they normally quote (to apply it on two wives of the last and final Messenger of Allah!):

ضَرَبَ اللَّهُ مَثَلًا لِّلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا اِمْرَأَةَ نُوحٍ وَاِمْرَأَةَ لُوطٍ كَانَتَا تَحْتَ عَبْدَيْنِ مِنْ عِبَادِنَا صَالِحَيْنِ فَخَانَتَاهُمَا فَلَمْ يُغْنِيَا عَنْهُمَا مِنَ اللَّهِ شَيْئًا وَقِيلَ ادْخُلَا النَّارَ مَعَ الدَّاخِلِينَ

Allah sets forth an example for those who disbelieve, the wife of Nuh (Noah) and the wife of Lout (Lot). They were under two of our righteous slaves, but they both betrayed their (husbands by rejecting their doctrine) so they [Nuh (Noah) and Lout (Lot)] benefited them (their respective wives) not, against Allah, and it was said: "Enter the Fire along with those who enter!"

Refutation to their Qiyas and misuse of the verse above:

We will first refute them with the Qur'an itself (which most of them don't master in any shape or form, neither Tajwid wise, Tafsir, let alone Hifdh):


وَأَنزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ بِالْحَقِّ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ مِنَ الْكِتَابِ وَمُهَيْمِنًا عَلَيْهِ فَاحْكُم بَيْنَهُم بِمَا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ وَلاَ تَتَّبِعْ أَهْوَاءهُمْ عَمَّا جَاءكَ مِنَ الْحَقِّ لِكُلٍّ جَعَلْنَا مِنكُمْ شِرْعَةً وَمِنْهَاجًا وَلَوْ شَاء اللّهُ لَجَعَلَكُمْ أُمَّةً وَاحِدَةً وَلَـكِن لِّيَبْلُوَكُمْ فِي مَا آتَاكُم فَاسْتَبِقُوا الخَيْرَاتِ إِلَى الله مَرْجِعُكُمْ جَمِيعًا فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمْ فِيهِ تَخْتَلِفُونَ {48

And unto thee have We revealed the Scripture with the truth, confirming whatever Scripture was before it, and a watcher over it. So judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires away from the truth which hath come unto thee. For each We have appointed a divine law and a traced-out way. Had Allah willed He could have made you one community. But that He may try you by that which He hath given you (He hath made you as ye are). So vie one with another in good works. Unto Allah ye will all return, and He will then inform you of that wherein ye differ.

From the basics of Islamic knowledge is to know that all the previous Umam (pl. of Ummah) although of course being united in their Da3wah and Aqidah (i.e. call to Tawhid that united all Prophets, from Adam to Khaatam علیهم السلام), yet differed in their SHARA'IH (pl. of Shari'ah) i.e. in their divine law. There are plenty of examples; Prostrating (as a form of GREETING) was allowed in the Shari'ah of Ya'qoob, yet it is absolutely forbidden in the Shari'ah of Muhammad (peace be upon him). Basically, what was Halal to some previous nations is Haram to us and vice versa.

In the time of Nuh and Lut (عليهما السلام) marrying a kafir wasn't prohibited (Nuh even offered his daughters to the Kuffar, another misused fact that Rafidah use to justify why 'Ali gave his daughter to 'Omar!!!), their Shari'ah (not 'Aqidah) was different to ours as it is clear from other verses.

“Do not marry idolatresses (al mushrikāt) till they believe; and certainly a believing maid is better than an idolatress even though she would please you; and do not marry idolaters (al Mushrikīn) till they believe (hata yūminū), and certainly a believing slave is better than an idolater, even though he would please you. These invite to the Fire, and Allah invites to the Garden and to forgiveness by His grace, and makes clear His revelations to mankind so that they may remember.”

[al-Baqarah 2:221].

^The above verse is what our Shari'ah, the last Shari'ah for all of mankind prohibits us to do, namely to marry ANY of our believing women to kuffar or to marry their kafir women (exceptions are Ahl al-Kitab only). According to our Shari'ah Muslim man are also prohibited to wed ANY polytheist woman EXCEPT the people of the book. According to the dumb Rafidah, 'Aishah, and Hafsa were VILE IMPURE Munafiqaat and Kafiraat whom the Prophet WILLINGLY married because Allah told him so in order to TEST the Ummah (with 'Aishah) in the future (Jamal etc.), yet Allah says:

Do not marry idolatresses (al mushrikāt) till they believe; and certainly a believing maid is better than an idolatress even though she would please you ..." Qur’an 2:221.

Rafidah (like Yasser al-Khabith) argue that Prophets can be exempted from some rules, like how it was lawful to our Prophet to marry more than four fives, or the opposite, like how the qiyam prayer was mandatory upon him (whilst being optional to the rest of the Ummah).

Answer: All prohibitions in the Qur'an are first and foremost addressed to the Prophet (as he received the revelation first) then the rest of us, him having "EXTRA" rights (more than four wives) and EXTRA obligations (Qiyam prayer, EVERY NIGHT!) does not exempt him from any prohibition, let alone the prohibition of him marrying the most evil and vile IMPURE hypocrites (according to the Rafidah). The Prophet (صل الله علیه و على آله و سلم) would have never done that, nor his he to be compared to anyone else (even if he's the Prophet), our Prophet was the last Messenger of Allah, he only married pure and believing women to the best of his knowledge, he would have never married an impure kafirah, and Allah decreed that he never divorces her.
and don't make shia Quran jokes when according to ur sahih sitta the Prophet saw used to make Quran mistakes often and had to be corrected by his sahaba who themselves needed to learn ghusl from Aisha , lol sunnis man
If it were not for Ali, umar would have been destroyed!
-Umar ibn al Khattab

 

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