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Title: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: Ebn Hussein on November 24, 2016, 06:52:12 AM
I've watched a clip of one of the tyre-heads from Yasser al-Khabith's gang. A little foul mouthed idolater whose video is loved and shared by all Islam haters and people who can't believe that they actually found someone ascribed to Islam, making their dreams come true portraying the Prophet (saws) as someone who was constantly surrounded by filth (as per the claim of the Rafidah, may Allah curse them):

https://youtu.be/B88iR9JCF4M

Alot of cheap shubuhat in this clip, but on what I want to concentrate is counterargument of the Rafidah that they constantly use against less knowledgable Sunnis who quote the following verse (as the Tyre-head does in the clip with his ugly Tawjid):

الْخَبِيثَاتُ لِلْخَبِيثِينَ وَالْخَبِيثُونَ لِلْخَبِيثَاتِ وَالطَّيِّبَاتُ لِلطَّيِّبِينَ وَالطَّيِّبُونَ لِلطَّيِّبَاتِ أُوْلَئِكَ مُبَرَّؤُونَ مِمَّا يَقُولُونَ لَهُم مَّغْفِرَةٌ وَرِزْقٌ كَرِيمٌ
النور : 26

Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women. Good women are for good men, and good men for good women; such are innocent of that which people say: For them is pardon and a bountiful provision.

First response of the tyred Shaitan (everything in brackets are my comments), paraphrased: Tafasir of the Bakris (رضی الله عنهم) does not say that it is about a particular woman, let alone 'Aishah, it's in defense of a number of Sahabah women who were insulted for migrating.

Muslim response: Well, firstly, thanks for admitting that Allah revealed verses in defense of the wives of the Sahabah, for all what they have sacrificed for this religion. Secondly, there is a known Qa'idah among all scholars, of all sciences, especially the Qur'an:

العبرة بعموم اللفظ لا بخصوص السبب

which can be translated to: "What counts is the general meaning of the words, not the specific reason for revelation"

So this verse (like many other verses) obviously has a specific sabab (cause) of revelation, however its meaning (like all verses, except abrogated ones) is general.

Now when you ask the Rawafid if Ali b. Abi Talib is Khabith (vile) or good (Tayyib) they will say good (Tayyib), and indeed this is the truth.

When you asked them was his wife good (Tayyibah) or vile (Khabithah), they will say she was a Tayyibah (good), and indeed this is the truth.

He (Ali) is good and she (Fatimah) is good hence the verse (... Good women are for good men, and good men for good women....) applies on them without a shadow of doubt

Yet when you ask the Rafidah (الله يأخذهم) if the Messenger of Allah (صل الله علیه و على آله و سلم) is good (Tayyib), they will say yes, but if you ask them about two specific wives of him, especially 'Aishah, they will say she is a Khabithah (vile)!

I say: Ya Rafidah, in your ignorance you have portrayed the Prophet as a vile man, as the verse clearly states:

... Vile women are for vile men ...

NOWHERE does the verse state that a Khabithah (vile women) can possibily be with a Tayyib (good), let alone the purest of all creation, the final Messenger (peace be upon him). The Rafidah KNOW that the verse is clear, they fail to refute Allah's words, so what they do is two things:

1. They mention how the Prophet did divorced some women (or some became apostates).

Counter argument: First of all this proves that the Prophet had no knowledge of the unseen, let alone the knowledge of the unseen that is ascribed to the Imams (who know the amount of drops in the ocean, every leaf that fells of a tree i.e. strikingly similar to how ALLAHS knowledge of the unseen is described in the Qur'an) by the Rafidah. These women (if all narrations the tyre head wildly quotes from NON Sahih sources) became evil in a LATER stage and were divorced, so they are not Tayyibaat (good women) by default anymore.

2. Last thing left for them is to do QIYAS (analogy), this is what they often do in their desperation when clear text refute their evil beliefs.


Qiyas between Nooh's and Lut's (علیهما السلام) evil wives, debunking the Rafidi comparison with evidences from their own books:

The Rafidah are hell-bent to prove that a number of wives of the Prophet (by the way, they also hate Maymunah and of course Umm Habibah, sister of Mu'awiyah!) are evil kafiraat, in order to do that they resort to Qiyas, citing how other Prophets other than our Prophet also WILLINGLY married vile kafir women for "various" reasons. This is the verse they normally quote (to apply it on two wives of the last and final Messenger of Allah!):

ضَرَبَ اللَّهُ مَثَلًا لِّلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا اِمْرَأَةَ نُوحٍ وَاِمْرَأَةَ لُوطٍ كَانَتَا تَحْتَ عَبْدَيْنِ مِنْ عِبَادِنَا صَالِحَيْنِ فَخَانَتَاهُمَا فَلَمْ يُغْنِيَا عَنْهُمَا مِنَ اللَّهِ شَيْئًا وَقِيلَ ادْخُلَا النَّارَ مَعَ الدَّاخِلِينَ

Allah sets forth an example for those who disbelieve, the wife of Nuh (Noah) and the wife of Lout (Lot). They were under two of our righteous slaves, but they both betrayed their (husbands by rejecting their doctrine) so they [Nuh (Noah) and Lout (Lot)] benefited them (their respective wives) not, against Allah, and it was said: "Enter the Fire along with those who enter!"

Refutation to their Qiyas and misuse of the verse above:

We will first refute them with the Qur'an itself (which most of them don't master in any shape or form, neither Tajwid wise, Tafsir, let alone Hifdh):


وَأَنزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ بِالْحَقِّ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ مِنَ الْكِتَابِ وَمُهَيْمِنًا عَلَيْهِ فَاحْكُم بَيْنَهُم بِمَا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ وَلاَ تَتَّبِعْ أَهْوَاءهُمْ عَمَّا جَاءكَ مِنَ الْحَقِّ لِكُلٍّ جَعَلْنَا مِنكُمْ شِرْعَةً وَمِنْهَاجًا وَلَوْ شَاء اللّهُ لَجَعَلَكُمْ أُمَّةً وَاحِدَةً وَلَـكِن لِّيَبْلُوَكُمْ فِي مَا آتَاكُم فَاسْتَبِقُوا الخَيْرَاتِ إِلَى الله مَرْجِعُكُمْ جَمِيعًا فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمْ فِيهِ تَخْتَلِفُونَ {48

And unto thee have We revealed the Scripture with the truth, confirming whatever Scripture was before it, and a watcher over it. So judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires away from the truth which hath come unto thee. For each We have appointed a divine law and a traced-out way. Had Allah willed He could have made you one community. But that He may try you by that which He hath given you (He hath made you as ye are). So vie one with another in good works. Unto Allah ye will all return, and He will then inform you of that wherein ye differ.

From the basics of Islamic knowledge is to know that all the previous Umam (pl. of Ummah) although of course being united in their Da3wah and Aqidah (i.e. call to Tawhid that united all Prophets, from Adam to Khaatam علیهم السلام), yet differed in their SHARA'IH (pl. of Shari'ah) i.e. in their divine law. There are plenty of examples; Prostrating (as a form of GREETING) was allowed in the Shari'ah of Ya'qoob, yet it is absolutely forbidden in the Shari'ah of Muhammad (peace be upon him). Basically, what was Halal to some previous nations is Haram to us and vice versa.

In the time of Nuh and Lut (عليهما السلام) marrying a kafir wasn't prohibited (Nuh even offered his daughters to the Kuffar, another misused fact that Rafidah use to justify why 'Ali gave his daughter to 'Omar!!!), their Shari'ah (not 'Aqidah) was different to ours as it is clear from other verses.

“Do not marry idolatresses (al mushrikāt) till they believe; and certainly a believing maid is better than an idolatress even though she would please you; and do not marry idolaters (al Mushrikīn) till they believe (hata yūminū), and certainly a believing slave is better than an idolater, even though he would please you. These invite to the Fire, and Allah invites to the Garden and to forgiveness by His grace, and makes clear His revelations to mankind so that they may remember.”

[al-Baqarah 2:221].

^The above verse is what our Shari'ah, the last Shari'ah for all of mankind prohibits us to do, namely to marry ANY of our believing women to kuffar or to marry their kafir women (exceptions are Ahl al-Kitab only). According to our Shari'ah Muslim man are also prohibited to wed ANY polytheist woman EXCEPT the people of the book. According to the dumb Rafidah, 'Aishah, and Hafsa were VILE IMPURE Munafiqaat and Kafiraat whom the Prophet WILLINGLY married because Allah told him so in order to TEST the Ummah (with 'Aishah) in the future (Jamal etc.), yet Allah says:

Do not marry idolatresses (al mushrikāt) till they believe; and certainly a believing maid is better than an idolatress even though she would please you ..." Qur’an 2:221.

Rafidah (like Yasser al-Khabith) argue that Prophets can be exempted from some rules, like how it was lawful to our Prophet to marry more than four fives, or the opposite, like how the qiyam prayer was mandatory upon him (whilst being optional to the rest of the Ummah).

Answer: All prohibitions in the Qur'an are first and foremost addressed to the Prophet (as he received the revelation first) then the rest of us, him having "EXTRA" rights (more than four wives) and EXTRA obligations (Qiyam prayer, EVERY NIGHT!) does not exempt him from any prohibition, let alone the prohibition of him marrying the most evil and vile IMPURE hypocrites (according to the Rafidah). The Prophet (صل الله علیه و على آله و سلم) would have never done that, nor his he to be compared to anyone else (even if he's the Prophet), our Prophet was the last Messenger of Allah, he only married pure and believing women to the best of his knowledge, he would have never married an impure kafirah, and Allah decreed that he never divorces her.






Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: Ebn Hussein on November 24, 2016, 07:19:00 AM
Extra points to ponder over:

1. It can be argued that Nooh and Luts wives have became kafirs at a LATER stage as the verse says:

"... but they both betrayed their husbands ..."

Betrayel is preceeded by trust and belief.

2. The evil wives of Nooh and Lut are clearly doomed (and not WARNED as the mother of the believers are) in the Qur'an, Allah even mentioning how:

Lut: "So We saved him and his family, except for his wife; she was of those who remained [with the evildoers. And We rained upon them a rain [of stones]. Then see how was the end of the criminals. (Qur'an, 7:83-84)

As for Nooh:

His wife did not join him and was drown with the rest of the Kuffar.

Where are such as verses about ANY of the mother of the believers? The Prophet lived with them till the last moment of his life, despite some trials (fitnah of Jamal), 'Aishah is reported to have constantly seek forgiveness for having been involved in the fitnah in the first place. No calamity fell upon her, she lived a long life and the Prophet is buried in HER chamber (not 'Ali's or anybody elses house).

Heck, the very fact that Allah always uses أزواج or نساء for ALL the wives of the Prophet (صل الله علیه و سلم) instead of امرأة proves that the wives of our Prophet are different to all other wives. Yes, they have been warned (even the Prophet has been warned in the Qur'an), but Allah never even addressed them with امرأة (which itself is a linguistic wonder of the Qur'an as Imra'ah is used for a wife is opposed to ther husband in many ways, hence Nooh's and Lut's wives are referred to as "Imra'ah" whereas Hawa, muslim wives and of course the mother of the believers are always referred to as AZWAJ/NISAA'!
Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: MuslimK on November 25, 2016, 05:33:14 PM
Good refutation.

Another verse: الزَّانِي لَا يَنكِحُ إِلَّا زَانِيَةً أَوْ مُشْرِكَةً وَالزَّانِيَةُ لَا يَنكِحُهَا إِلَّا زَانٍ أَوْ مُشْرِكٌ ۚ وَحُرِّمَ ذَٰلِكَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ
The fornicator does not marry except a [female] fornicator or polytheist, and none marries her except a fornicator or a polytheist, and that has been made unlawful to the believers. (24:3)

Also, Allah calls the wives of the Prophet (saw) "MOTHERS OF THE BELIEVERS". Even if they claim it means not marrying them, it is still in their honour and that they should be respected. While Allah refered to wives of Nuh (as) and Lut (as) as those who disbelieved.

In another verse Allah (swt) says "Do not HARM the Prophet by marrying his wives after him" (33:53). But these people of fitna harm the Prophet (saw) by slandering/cursing his pure wives. This is another verse in their honour. How can these Takfiri Sabaites compare the mothers of the believers with disbelieving women such as the wives of Lut (as) and Nuh (as)?


Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: GreatChineseFall on November 26, 2016, 12:37:14 AM
The irony is that some of them use the exact same argument when trying to prove that Abu Talib must have been a Muslim by having remained a husband of Fatima bint Asad.

(For the record: Most if not all the commands present in the quoted verses were revealed way after Abu Talib passed away)
Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: Ijtaba on November 29, 2016, 03:58:58 PM
Extra points to ponder over:

1. It can be argued that Nooh and Luts wives have became kafirs at a LATER stage as the verse says:

"... but they both betrayed their husbands ..."

Betrayel is preceeded by trust and belief.

Heck, the very fact that Allah always uses أزواج or نساء for ALL the wives of the Prophet (صل الله علیه و سلم) instead of امرأة proves that the wives of our Prophet are different to all other wives. Yes, they have been warned (even the Prophet has been warned in the Qur'an), but Allah never even addressed them with امرأة (which itself is a linguistic wonder of the Qur'an as Imra'ah is used for a wife is opposed to ther husband in many ways, hence Nooh's and Lut's wives are referred to as "Imra'ah" whereas Hawa, muslim wives and of course the mother of the believers are always referred to as AZWAJ/NISAA'!

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 4, Book 55, Number 547:


Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "But for the Israelis, meat would not decay and but for Eve, wives would never betray their husbands."

According to the above quoted ahadith it is because of Hadrat Hawwa (s.a) that wives of Nabi Nooh (a.s) and Nabi Lut (a.s) betrayed their husbands.
Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: muslim720 on November 30, 2016, 04:21:23 PM
Sahih Bukhari
Volume 4, Book 55, Number 547:


Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "But for the Israelis, meat would not decay and but for Eve, wives would never betray their husbands."

According to the above quoted ahadith it is because of Hadrat Hawwa (s.a) that wives of Nabi Nooh (a.s) and Nabi Lut (a.s) betrayed their husbands.

It is not exactly as you want to interpret it.  I will only quote the relevant portion and provide you the link to read the entire thing, if you wish to do so.

Shaykh Taqi Usmani writes:
“al-Hafiz (Ibn Hajr) said: It has a reference to what Eve did when she tried to seduce Adam to eat from the tree until he actually did.  And since she was the mother of the daughters of Adam (all females), they in turn resembled her by birth and genes, that you can hardly find a woman that had not betrayed her husband in one shape or form.  And here betrayal does not mean infidelity.  Far be it!  It rather refers here to the incident where Eve inclined to the desire of eating from the tree and she beautified that to Adam, it was counted as a kind of betrayal for him.  But for all women who came after her, their kinds of betrayals varied in levels and forms.  And what is similar to that Hadith is the Hadith that says "And Adam denied, so his descendants denied."

And in this Hadith is a consolation for those men - who have been afflicted by some actions of their women - through the mention of what had happened from their great grandmother, affirming that this is one of their natural traits.  So the man shouldn't excessively blame the woman who unintentionally or occasionally errs or wrongs him.  And for the woman not to dwell in such a manner but to discipline herself and fight her desires.  It is so in Fath al-Bari.” (Takmilah Fath al-Mulhim, vol.1 pp.139-140)

Does this Hadith imply the blame rests on Eve alone?
Not really, because the sin was committed by both and Islam holds that both of them were basically seduced by the Devil.  In fact, Islamic sources explicitly state that Devil seduced them both.  In Qur’an 20: 120 it is mentioned that the Devil seduced Adam –may Allah bless him.  This Hadith suggests Devil first spoke to Eve –may Allah bless her- and Qur’an (7:20) plainly says that Devil seduced them both.  So, clearly the Islamic standpoint is that both of them made the mistake.  The betrayal referred to in this particular Hadith is about Eve speaking to Adam –may Allah bless them both- about the forbidden tree.  Eve having been deceived spoke to Adam but Devil himself also seduced Adam as clear from Qur’an 20: 120.

Why specifically mention of Eve here?
As clear from Qur’anic references cited above Devil seduced both Adam and Eve and as Qur’an says they both prayed to Allah for forgiveness after the whole thing took place. See Qur’an 7: 22-23.
 However the stress about Eve here is to instruct the man not to over react when a woman makes a mistake for the same was done by his own great grandmother.  This is just natural for her.

You can read the entire post at http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2011/06/meat-israel-eve-betray-hadith.html
Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: Ijtaba on November 30, 2016, 05:51:27 PM
It is not exactly as you want to interpret it.  I will only quote the relevant portion and provide you the link to read the entire thing, if you wish to do so.

And how exactly did I want to interpret it? I did not interpret nor did I put my words in the quoted ahadith. The ahadith is open for everyone to see, read and understand. The quoted ahadith is clearly saying that "...but for Eve, wives would never betray their husbands." Wives of Nabi Nooh (a.s) and Nabi Lut (a.s) betrayed their husbands and if it wasn't for Hadhrat Hawwa (s.a) they would never had betrayed their husbands.

And about differences between Nisa, Azwaj and Imra'ah which original poster mentioned, I would like to know his view on wife of Imran (a.s) as she has been referred as Imra'ah of Imran (a.s) in following Ayat:

اِذْ قَالَتِ امْرَاَتُ عِمْرٰنَ رَبِّ اِنِّىْ نَذَرْتُ لَكَ مَا فِيْ بَطْنِىْ مُحَرَّرًا فَتَقَبَّلْ مِنِّىْ۝۰ۚ اِنَّكَ اَنْتَ السَّمِيْعُ الْعَلِيْمُ۝۳۵

[Mention, O Muhammad], when the wife of ‘Imran said, “My Lord, indeed I have pledged to You what is in my womb, consecrated [for Your service], so accept this from me. Indeed, You are the Hearing, the Knowing.”  (3:35)
Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: muslim720 on November 30, 2016, 08:34:58 PM
And how exactly did I want to interpret it? I did not interpret nor did I put my words in the quoted ahadith.

After I show you your interpretation, come back and tell me if you are still in denial (that you did not interpret anything).

In your own words, you said, "Wives of Nabi Nooh (a.s) and Nabi Lut (a.s) betrayed their husbands and if it wasn't for Hadhrat Hawwa (s.a) they would never had betrayed their husbands."

What would you call that?  Since the hadith does not refer to the wives of Nooh (asws) and Loot (asws), you are - by your own interpretation - extrapolating this narration to matters it does not pertain to.
Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: Ijtaba on November 30, 2016, 10:30:00 PM
And how exactly did I want to interpret it? I did not interpret nor did I put my words in the quoted ahadith.
...Since the hadith does not refer to the wives of Nooh (asws) and Loot (asws), you are - by your own interpretation - extrapolating this narration to matters it does not pertain to.

Please enlighten me as to how does the ahadith exclude the wives of Prophet Nooh (a.s) & Lut (a.s)? Prophet (s) just mentioned wives (which would include all females who became wives from the time of Adam  till the last female becoming wife before Day of Judgement)

All females marrying and becoming wives are included in the above quoted ahadith. The ahadith is specifically talking about betrayal of wives and the reason wives betraying their husbands is because of Eve. And indeed wives of two Prophets did betray their husbands.

Can you please give me one ahadith in which blame is put on Hadhrat Adam (a.s) for husbands betraying their wives? I have yet to see such ahadith.

Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: muslim720 on December 01, 2016, 06:35:33 AM
Please enlighten me as to how does the ahadith exclude the wives of Prophet Nooh (a.s) & Lut (a.s)?

Where does the hadith include the wives of Nooh (asws) and Loot (asws)?

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Prophet (s) just mentioned wives (which would include all females who became wives from the time of Adam  till the last female becoming wife before Day of Judgement)

The Prophet (saw) mentioned all wives but you did not read the link I shared with you.  The reason why Hawaa (asws) was mentioned is "to instruct the man not to over react when a woman makes a mistake for the same was done by his own great grandmother".  In other words, it is to teach men to take it easy upon their wives when they make mistakes, not when they refuse to follow or rebel against the religion of Allah (swt).

The reason why you see this narration to condone your insinuation is because you have already inserted your interpretation into it.  Do you agree?

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And indeed wives of two Prophets did betray their husbands.

Betrayal as in small mistakes.  In the case of Hawaa (asws), her disobedience (and tempting of her husband) was unintentional.  The wives of the two Prophets (asws) in question rebelled in face of hundreds of years (between the two of them) of preaching and patience by their husbands (asws).

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Can you please give me one ahadith in which blame is put on Hadhrat Adam (a.s) for husbands betraying their wives? I have yet to see such ahadith.

Why do you need a hadith when the Qur'an blames both and in 20:120, it blamed Adam (asws)?  Also Qur'an 7:20 says that Iblees seduced them both.  Again, the hadith does not place the blame squarely upon Hawaa (asws) but is a lesson to men to be gentle toward women when they err.
Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: Ijtaba on December 01, 2016, 03:25:52 PM
I don't know why is it hard to understand a simple ahadith. If you will read what's in the link provided by you then you will find same thing is mentioned what I am trying to say.

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And since she was the mother of the daughters of Adam (all females), they in turn resembled her by birth and genes, that you can hardly find a woman that had not betrayed her husband in one shape or form. And here betrayal does not mean infidelity. Far be it! It rather refers here to the incident where Eve inclined to the desire of eating from the tree and she beautified that to Adam, it was counted as a kind of betrayal for him. But for all women who came after her, their kinds of betrayals varied in levels and forms. And what is similar to that Hadith is the Hadith that says "And Adam denied, so his descendants denied.[5]"

Wives of Nabi Nooh (a.s) and Nabi Lut (a.s) also betrayed their husbands but their betrayal was to such extent and degree that led them into Fire. Wives of Nabi Nooh (a.s) and Nabi Lut (a.s) were not guilty of infidelity but of betrayal because GOD has Himself said Pure Men for Pure Women which makes wives of all Prophets Pure Women as their husbands were Pure.
Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: muslim720 on December 01, 2016, 04:00:38 PM
I don't know why is it hard to understand a simple ahadith. If you will read what's in the link provided by you then you will find same thing is mentioned what I am trying to say.

It is "hard" for me to understand what you are saying (I am not finding it hard to understand a simple hadith because I have provided you the understanding of it) because I do not find the same thing being mentioned in the narration or in its explanation.

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Wives of Nabi Nooh (a.s) and Nabi Lut (a.s) also betrayed their husbands but their betrayal was to such extent and degree that led them into Fire. Wives of Nabi Nooh (a.s) and Nabi Lut (a.s) were not guilty of infidelity but of betrayal because GOD has Himself said Pure Men for Pure Women which makes wives of all Prophets Pure Women as their husbands were Pure.

I do not find a single mention of Nooh (asws) or Loot (asws), let alone their wives.  Therefore, the narration has nothing to do with your interpretation except by extrapolation.  Furthermore, to help you understand your fallacy, the narration has two portions.  The first portion says, "Were it not for Bani Israel, meat would not decay..."  Are you now going to blame the process of meat decay upon Bani Israel?  Of course not!  It means that Bani Israel were the first to keep food and meat until it would go bad and if it was not for them who started this habit, people would not have kept food for so long till it goes bad.  However, the argument you are making - in regards to Eve (as) - is the same as saying that Bani Israel is to be blamed for meat going bad and before that, meat would never decay.
Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: Link on December 01, 2016, 08:51:20 PM
When Aisha married Rasool, she was a good person. Abu Baker and Umar were once good people too. They started to deviate nearer to the end of Rasool life, an you can read Suratal Tahreem if you think it's all Shia propaganda.

Two Surahs before Suratal Tahreem it says:

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِنَّ مِنْ أَزْوَاجِكُمْ وَأَوْلَادِكُمْ عَدُوًّا لَكُمْ فَاحْذَرُوهُمْ ۚ وَإِنْ تَعْفُوا وَتَصْفَحُوا وَتَغْفِرُوا فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ {14}

"O you who believe, from your wives and children there is an enemy towards you so, so take caution from them and if you pardon, forbear, and forgive, so then God is forgiving merciful"

And the next Surah is called "The Divorce" and talks about divoce.

Then the Suratal Tahreem threatens two wives of the Rasool with severe warnings, but they turned back and repented.

Allah and his Messenger, obviously, were sincere in their advice to Aisha and Hafsa and wanted them to turn away from injustice, and the advice is sincere.

1st it warns believers that they may have enemies from wives and children. Then talks about divorce in next Surah. Then gives an example of God and his Messenger trying their best to avoid divorce and reform wives.

Of course, if Aisha stayed on the path that Rasool called her back to and Allah called her back to in Suratal Tahreem, then she would not have fought Imam Ali.

Life is a continuous trial.
Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: أبو ماريا المرزم on December 01, 2016, 11:03:55 PM
When Aisha married Rasool, she was a good person. Abu Baker and Umar were once good people too. They started to deviate nearer to the end of Rasool life, an you can read Suratal Tahreem if you think it's all Shia propaganda.

Two Surahs before Suratal Tahreem it says:

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِنَّ مِنْ أَزْوَاجِكُمْ وَأَوْلَادِكُمْ عَدُوًّا لَكُمْ فَاحْذَرُوهُمْ ۚ وَإِنْ تَعْفُوا وَتَصْفَحُوا وَتَغْفِرُوا فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ {14}

"O you who believe, from your wives and children there is an enemy towards you so, so take caution from them and if you pardon, forbear, and forgive, so then God is forgiving merciful"

And the next Surah is called "The Divorce" and talks about divoce.

Then the Suratal Tahreem threatens two wives of the Rasool with severe warnings, but they turned back and repented.

Allah and his Messenger, obviously, were sincere in their advice to Aisha and Hafsa and wanted them to turn away from injustice, and the advice is sincere.

1st it warns believers that they may have enemies from wives and children. Then talks about divorce in next Surah. Then gives an example of God and his Messenger trying their best to avoid divorce and reform wives.

Of course, if Aisha stayed on the path that Rasool called her back to and Allah called her back to in Suratal Tahreem, then she would not have fought Imam Ali.

Life is a continuous trial.

Aisha did stay on that path. Ali Ra is not a divine being as if you disbelieve if you hold a different opinion than him. Ammar ibn Yasir Ra(Who you guys revere) was on Ali Ra's side at Jamal and he said Aisha Ra is the wife of the prophet IN PARADISE
Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: Sheikh on December 04, 2016, 09:18:41 AM
You can't blame Eve for the actions of the wives of Nooh and Lut.

That's like blaming a liquor store if you drank alcohol. Sure, the liquor store gave you the opportunity, but it was still your decision.
Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: Ijtaba on December 04, 2016, 02:29:04 PM
You can't blame Eve for the actions of the wives of Nooh and Lut.

That's like blaming a liquor store if you drank alcohol. Sure, the liquor store gave you the opportunity, but it was still your decision.

Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "But for the Israelis, meat would not decay and but for Eve, wives would never betray their husbands."

The wording of ahadith is clear. But for Eve, Wives would never betray their Husbands.
Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: Ebn Hussein on December 07, 2016, 03:20:57 AM

And about differences between Nisa, Azwaj and Imra'ah which original poster mentioned, I would like to know his view on wife of Imran (a.s) as she has been referred as Imra'ah of Imran (a.s) in following Ayat:

اِذْ قَالَتِ امْرَاَتُ عِمْرٰنَ رَبِّ اِنِّىْ نَذَرْتُ لَكَ مَا فِيْ بَطْنِىْ مُحَرَّرًا فَتَقَبَّلْ مِنِّىْ۝۰ۚ اِنَّكَ اَنْتَ السَّمِيْعُ الْعَلِيْمُ۝۳۵

[Mention, O Muhammad], when the wife of ‘Imran said, “My Lord, indeed I have pledged to You what is in my womb, consecrated [for Your service], so accept this from me. Indeed, You are the Hearing, the Knowing.”  (3:35)


Imra'ah is not an insult, it's neutral, but the wives of our Prophet have been given special titles, so they are by default better than the wives of other Prophets. As simple as that.

Wives of our Prophet are AZWAAJ and UMMUHAT, titles (in particular the latter) only for them.
Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: Abu_Lulu on December 07, 2016, 04:15:20 PM

And about differences between Nisa, Azwaj and Imra'ah which original poster mentioned, I would like to know his view on wife of Imran (a.s) as she has been referred as Imra'ah of Imran (a.s) in following Ayat:

اِذْ قَالَتِ امْرَاَتُ عِمْرٰنَ رَبِّ اِنِّىْ نَذَرْتُ لَكَ مَا فِيْ بَطْنِىْ مُحَرَّرًا فَتَقَبَّلْ مِنِّىْ۝۰ۚ اِنَّكَ اَنْتَ السَّمِيْعُ الْعَلِيْمُ۝۳۵

[Mention, O Muhammad], when the wife of ‘Imran said, “My Lord, indeed I have pledged to You what is in my womb, consecrated [for Your service], so accept this from me. Indeed, You are the Hearing, the Knowing.”  (3:35)


Imra'ah is not an insult, it's neutral, but the wives of our Prophet have been given special titles, so they are by default better than the wives of other Prophets. As simple as that.

Wives of our Prophet are AZWAAJ and UMMUHAT, titles (in particular the latter) only for them.
Bro there is an ayah clearly condeming Aisha and hafsah and saying their hearts deviated, And NOWHERE does any tafsir or Hadith say they repented, it says perhaps if u were to be divorced u will be replaced by such and such women, what's interesting is one of the qualities was a "muslim wife", which goes to show that Aisha didn't even possess the qualities of the average Muslim woman at the time
Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: Abu_Lulu on December 07, 2016, 04:38:57 PM

And about differences between Nisa, Azwaj and Imra'ah which original poster mentioned, I would like to know his view on wife of Imran (a.s) as she has been referred as Imra'ah of Imran (a.s) in following Ayat:

اِذْ قَالَتِ امْرَاَتُ عِمْرٰنَ رَبِّ اِنِّىْ نَذَرْتُ لَكَ مَا فِيْ بَطْنِىْ مُحَرَّرًا فَتَقَبَّلْ مِنِّىْ۝۰ۚ اِنَّكَ اَنْتَ السَّمِيْعُ الْعَلِيْمُ۝۳۵

[Mention, O Muhammad], when the wife of ‘Imran said, “My Lord, indeed I have pledged to You what is in my womb, consecrated [for Your service], so accept this from me. Indeed, You are the Hearing, the Knowing.”  (3:35)


Imra'ah is not an insult, it's neutral, but the wives of our Prophet have been given special titles, so they are by default better than the wives of other Prophets. As simple as that.

Wives of our Prophet are AZWAAJ and UMMUHAT, titles (in particular the latter) only for them.
Bro there is an ayah clearly condeming Aisha and hafsah and saying their hearts deviated, And NOWHERE does any tafsir or Hadith say they repented, it says perhaps if u were to be divorced u will be replaced by such and such women, what's interesting is one of the qualities was a "muslim wife", which goes to show that Aisha didn't even possess the qualities of the average Muslim woman at the time, also U said vile men and vile women wasn't applicable to the time of Nuh (as) and Lut (as), what is your evidence for that? You made that claim with no evidence
Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: Abu_Lulu on December 08, 2016, 01:25:51 AM
I've watched a clip of one of the tyre-heads from Yasser al-Khabith's gang. A little foul mouthed idolater whose video is loved and shared by all Islam haters and people who can't believe that they actually found someone ascribed to Islam, making their dreams come true portraying the Prophet (saws) as someone who was constantly surrounded by filth (as per the claim of the Rafidah, may Allah curse them):

https://youtu.be/B88iR9JCF4M

Alot of cheap shubuhat in this clip, but on what I want to concentrate is counterargument of the Rafidah that they constantly use against less knowledgable Sunnis who quote the following verse (as the Tyre-head does in the clip with his ugly Tawjid):

الْخَبِيثَاتُ لِلْخَبِيثِينَ وَالْخَبِيثُونَ لِلْخَبِيثَاتِ وَالطَّيِّبَاتُ لِلطَّيِّبِينَ وَالطَّيِّبُونَ لِلطَّيِّبَاتِ أُوْلَئِكَ مُبَرَّؤُونَ مِمَّا يَقُولُونَ لَهُم مَّغْفِرَةٌ وَرِزْقٌ كَرِيمٌ
النور : 26

Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women. Good women are for good men, and good men for good women; such are innocent of that which people say: For them is pardon and a bountiful provision.

First response of the tyred Shaitan (everything in brackets are my comments), paraphrased: Tafasir of the Bakris (رضی الله عنهم) does not say that it is about a particular woman, let alone 'Aishah, it's in defense of a number of Sahabah women who were insulted for migrating.

Muslim response: Well, firstly, thanks for admitting that Allah revealed verses in defense of the wives of the Sahabah, for all what they have sacrificed for this religion. Secondly, there is a known Qa'idah among all scholars, of all sciences, especially the Qur'an:

العبرة بعموم اللفظ لا بخصوص السبب

which can be translated to: "What counts is the general meaning of the words, not the specific reason for revelation"

So this verse (like many other verses) obviously has a specific sabab (cause) of revelation, however its meaning (like all verses, except abrogated ones) is general.

Now when you ask the Rawafid if Ali b. Abi Talib is Khabith (vile) or good (Tayyib) they will say good (Tayyib), and indeed this is the truth.

When you asked them was his wife good (Tayyibah) or vile (Khabithah), they will say she was a Tayyibah (good), and indeed this is the truth.

He (Ali) is good and she (Fatimah) is good hence the verse (... Good women are for good men, and good men for good women....) applies on them without a shadow of doubt

Yet when you ask the Rafidah (الله يأخذهم) if the Messenger of Allah (صل الله علیه و على آله و سلم) is good (Tayyib), they will say yes, but if you ask them about two specific wives of him, especially 'Aishah, they will say she is a Khabithah (vile)!

I say: Ya Rafidah, in your ignorance you have portrayed the Prophet as a vile man, as the verse clearly states:

... Vile women are for vile men ...

NOWHERE does the verse state that a Khabithah (vile women) can possibily be with a Tayyib (good), let alone the purest of all creation, the final Messenger (peace be upon him). The Rafidah KNOW that the verse is clear, they fail to refute Allah's words, so what they do is two things:

1. They mention how the Prophet did divorced some women (or some became apostates).

Counter argument: First of all this proves that the Prophet had no knowledge of the unseen, let alone the knowledge of the unseen that is ascribed to the Imams (who know the amount of drops in the ocean, every leaf that fells of a tree i.e. strikingly similar to how ALLAHS knowledge of the unseen is described in the Qur'an) by the Rafidah. These women (if all narrations the tyre head wildly quotes from NON Sahih sources) became evil in a LATER stage and were divorced, so they are not Tayyibaat (good women) by default anymore.

2. Last thing left for them is to do QIYAS (analogy), this is what they often do in their desperation when clear text refute their evil beliefs.


Qiyas between Nooh's and Lut's (علیهما السلام) evil wives, debunking the Rafidi comparison with evidences from their own books:

The Rafidah are hell-bent to prove that a number of wives of the Prophet (by the way, they also hate Maymunah and of course Umm Habibah, sister of Mu'awiyah!) are evil kafiraat, in order to do that they resort to Qiyas, citing how other Prophets other than our Prophet also WILLINGLY married vile kafir women for "various" reasons. This is the verse they normally quote (to apply it on two wives of the last and final Messenger of Allah!):

ضَرَبَ اللَّهُ مَثَلًا لِّلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا اِمْرَأَةَ نُوحٍ وَاِمْرَأَةَ لُوطٍ كَانَتَا تَحْتَ عَبْدَيْنِ مِنْ عِبَادِنَا صَالِحَيْنِ فَخَانَتَاهُمَا فَلَمْ يُغْنِيَا عَنْهُمَا مِنَ اللَّهِ شَيْئًا وَقِيلَ ادْخُلَا النَّارَ مَعَ الدَّاخِلِينَ

Allah sets forth an example for those who disbelieve, the wife of Nuh (Noah) and the wife of Lout (Lot). They were under two of our righteous slaves, but they both betrayed their (husbands by rejecting their doctrine) so they [Nuh (Noah) and Lout (Lot)] benefited them (their respective wives) not, against Allah, and it was said: "Enter the Fire along with those who enter!"

Refutation to their Qiyas and misuse of the verse above:

We will first refute them with the Qur'an itself (which most of them don't master in any shape or form, neither Tajwid wise, Tafsir, let alone Hifdh):


وَأَنزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ بِالْحَقِّ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ مِنَ الْكِتَابِ وَمُهَيْمِنًا عَلَيْهِ فَاحْكُم بَيْنَهُم بِمَا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ وَلاَ تَتَّبِعْ أَهْوَاءهُمْ عَمَّا جَاءكَ مِنَ الْحَقِّ لِكُلٍّ جَعَلْنَا مِنكُمْ شِرْعَةً وَمِنْهَاجًا وَلَوْ شَاء اللّهُ لَجَعَلَكُمْ أُمَّةً وَاحِدَةً وَلَـكِن لِّيَبْلُوَكُمْ فِي مَا آتَاكُم فَاسْتَبِقُوا الخَيْرَاتِ إِلَى الله مَرْجِعُكُمْ جَمِيعًا فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمْ فِيهِ تَخْتَلِفُونَ {48

And unto thee have We revealed the Scripture with the truth, confirming whatever Scripture was before it, and a watcher over it. So judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires away from the truth which hath come unto thee. For each We have appointed a divine law and a traced-out way. Had Allah willed He could have made you one community. But that He may try you by that which He hath given you (He hath made you as ye are). So vie one with another in good works. Unto Allah ye will all return, and He will then inform you of that wherein ye differ.

From the basics of Islamic knowledge is to know that all the previous Umam (pl. of Ummah) although of course being united in their Da3wah and Aqidah (i.e. call to Tawhid that united all Prophets, from Adam to Khaatam علیهم السلام), yet differed in their SHARA'IH (pl. of Shari'ah) i.e. in their divine law. There are plenty of examples; Prostrating (as a form of GREETING) was allowed in the Shari'ah of Ya'qoob, yet it is absolutely forbidden in the Shari'ah of Muhammad (peace be upon him). Basically, what was Halal to some previous nations is Haram to us and vice versa.

In the time of Nuh and Lut (عليهما السلام) marrying a kafir wasn't prohibited (Nuh even offered his daughters to the Kuffar, another misused fact that Rafidah use to justify why 'Ali gave his daughter to 'Omar!!!), their Shari'ah (not 'Aqidah) was different to ours as it is clear from other verses.

“Do not marry idolatresses (al mushrikāt) till they believe; and certainly a believing maid is better than an idolatress even though she would please you; and do not marry idolaters (al Mushrikīn) till they believe (hata yūminū), and certainly a believing slave is better than an idolater, even though he would please you. These invite to the Fire, and Allah invites to the Garden and to forgiveness by His grace, and makes clear His revelations to mankind so that they may remember.”

[al-Baqarah 2:221].

^The above verse is what our Shari'ah, the last Shari'ah for all of mankind prohibits us to do, namely to marry ANY of our believing women to kuffar or to marry their kafir women (exceptions are Ahl al-Kitab only). According to our Shari'ah Muslim man are also prohibited to wed ANY polytheist woman EXCEPT the people of the book. According to the dumb Rafidah, 'Aishah, and Hafsa were VILE IMPURE Munafiqaat and Kafiraat whom the Prophet WILLINGLY married because Allah told him so in order to TEST the Ummah (with 'Aishah) in the future (Jamal etc.), yet Allah says:

Do not marry idolatresses (al mushrikāt) till they believe; and certainly a believing maid is better than an idolatress even though she would please you ..." Qur’an 2:221.

Rafidah (like Yasser al-Khabith) argue that Prophets can be exempted from some rules, like how it was lawful to our Prophet to marry more than four fives, or the opposite, like how the qiyam prayer was mandatory upon him (whilst being optional to the rest of the Ummah).

Answer: All prohibitions in the Qur'an are first and foremost addressed to the Prophet (as he received the revelation first) then the rest of us, him having "EXTRA" rights (more than four wives) and EXTRA obligations (Qiyam prayer, EVERY NIGHT!) does not exempt him from any prohibition, let alone the prohibition of him marrying the most evil and vile IMPURE hypocrites (according to the Rafidah). The Prophet (صل الله علیه و على آله و سلم) would have never done that, nor his he to be compared to anyone else (even if he's the Prophet), our Prophet was the last Messenger of Allah, he only married pure and believing women to the best of his knowledge, he would have never married an impure kafirah, and Allah decreed that he never divorces her.
and don't make shia Quran jokes when according to ur sahih sitta the Prophet saw used to make Quran mistakes often and had to be corrected by his sahaba who themselves needed to learn ghusl from Aisha , lol sunnis man
Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: Ebn Hussein on December 08, 2016, 04:46:22 AM
I've watched a clip of one of the tyre-heads from Yasser al-Khabith's gang. A little foul mouthed idolater whose video is loved and shared by all Islam haters and people who can't believe that they actually found someone ascribed to Islam, making their dreams come true portraying the Prophet (saws) as someone who was constantly surrounded by filth (as per the claim of the Rafidah, may Allah curse them):

https://youtu.be/B88iR9JCF4M

Alot of cheap shubuhat in this clip, but on what I want to concentrate is counterargument of the Rafidah that they constantly use against less knowledgable Sunnis who quote the following verse (as the Tyre-head does in the clip with his ugly Tawjid):

الْخَبِيثَاتُ لِلْخَبِيثِينَ وَالْخَبِيثُونَ لِلْخَبِيثَاتِ وَالطَّيِّبَاتُ لِلطَّيِّبِينَ وَالطَّيِّبُونَ لِلطَّيِّبَاتِ أُوْلَئِكَ مُبَرَّؤُونَ مِمَّا يَقُولُونَ لَهُم مَّغْفِرَةٌ وَرِزْقٌ كَرِيمٌ
النور : 26

Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women. Good women are for good men, and good men for good women; such are innocent of that which people say: For them is pardon and a bountiful provision.

First response of the tyred Shaitan (everything in brackets are my comments), paraphrased: Tafasir of the Bakris (رضی الله عنهم) does not say that it is about a particular woman, let alone 'Aishah, it's in defense of a number of Sahabah women who were insulted for migrating.

Muslim response: Well, firstly, thanks for admitting that Allah revealed verses in defense of the wives of the Sahabah, for all what they have sacrificed for this religion. Secondly, there is a known Qa'idah among all scholars, of all sciences, especially the Qur'an:

العبرة بعموم اللفظ لا بخصوص السبب

which can be translated to: "What counts is the general meaning of the words, not the specific reason for revelation"

So this verse (like many other verses) obviously has a specific sabab (cause) of revelation, however its meaning (like all verses, except abrogated ones) is general.

Now when you ask the Rawafid if Ali b. Abi Talib is Khabith (vile) or good (Tayyib) they will say good (Tayyib), and indeed this is the truth.

When you asked them was his wife good (Tayyibah) or vile (Khabithah), they will say she was a Tayyibah (good), and indeed this is the truth.

He (Ali) is good and she (Fatimah) is good hence the verse (... Good women are for good men, and good men for good women....) applies on them without a shadow of doubt

Yet when you ask the Rafidah (الله يأخذهم) if the Messenger of Allah (صل الله علیه و على آله و سلم) is good (Tayyib), they will say yes, but if you ask them about two specific wives of him, especially 'Aishah, they will say she is a Khabithah (vile)!

I say: Ya Rafidah, in your ignorance you have portrayed the Prophet as a vile man, as the verse clearly states:

... Vile women are for vile men ...

NOWHERE does the verse state that a Khabithah (vile women) can possibily be with a Tayyib (good), let alone the purest of all creation, the final Messenger (peace be upon him). The Rafidah KNOW that the verse is clear, they fail to refute Allah's words, so what they do is two things:

1. They mention how the Prophet did divorced some women (or some became apostates).

Counter argument: First of all this proves that the Prophet had no knowledge of the unseen, let alone the knowledge of the unseen that is ascribed to the Imams (who know the amount of drops in the ocean, every leaf that fells of a tree i.e. strikingly similar to how ALLAHS knowledge of the unseen is described in the Qur'an) by the Rafidah. These women (if all narrations the tyre head wildly quotes from NON Sahih sources) became evil in a LATER stage and were divorced, so they are not Tayyibaat (good women) by default anymore.

2. Last thing left for them is to do QIYAS (analogy), this is what they often do in their desperation when clear text refute their evil beliefs.


Qiyas between Nooh's and Lut's (علیهما السلام) evil wives, debunking the Rafidi comparison with evidences from their own books:

The Rafidah are hell-bent to prove that a number of wives of the Prophet (by the way, they also hate Maymunah and of course Umm Habibah, sister of Mu'awiyah!) are evil kafiraat, in order to do that they resort to Qiyas, citing how other Prophets other than our Prophet also WILLINGLY married vile kafir women for "various" reasons. This is the verse they normally quote (to apply it on two wives of the last and final Messenger of Allah!):

ضَرَبَ اللَّهُ مَثَلًا لِّلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا اِمْرَأَةَ نُوحٍ وَاِمْرَأَةَ لُوطٍ كَانَتَا تَحْتَ عَبْدَيْنِ مِنْ عِبَادِنَا صَالِحَيْنِ فَخَانَتَاهُمَا فَلَمْ يُغْنِيَا عَنْهُمَا مِنَ اللَّهِ شَيْئًا وَقِيلَ ادْخُلَا النَّارَ مَعَ الدَّاخِلِينَ

Allah sets forth an example for those who disbelieve, the wife of Nuh (Noah) and the wife of Lout (Lot). They were under two of our righteous slaves, but they both betrayed their (husbands by rejecting their doctrine) so they [Nuh (Noah) and Lout (Lot)] benefited them (their respective wives) not, against Allah, and it was said: "Enter the Fire along with those who enter!"

Refutation to their Qiyas and misuse of the verse above:

We will first refute them with the Qur'an itself (which most of them don't master in any shape or form, neither Tajwid wise, Tafsir, let alone Hifdh):


وَأَنزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ بِالْحَقِّ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ مِنَ الْكِتَابِ وَمُهَيْمِنًا عَلَيْهِ فَاحْكُم بَيْنَهُم بِمَا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ وَلاَ تَتَّبِعْ أَهْوَاءهُمْ عَمَّا جَاءكَ مِنَ الْحَقِّ لِكُلٍّ جَعَلْنَا مِنكُمْ شِرْعَةً وَمِنْهَاجًا وَلَوْ شَاء اللّهُ لَجَعَلَكُمْ أُمَّةً وَاحِدَةً وَلَـكِن لِّيَبْلُوَكُمْ فِي مَا آتَاكُم فَاسْتَبِقُوا الخَيْرَاتِ إِلَى الله مَرْجِعُكُمْ جَمِيعًا فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمْ فِيهِ تَخْتَلِفُونَ {48

And unto thee have We revealed the Scripture with the truth, confirming whatever Scripture was before it, and a watcher over it. So judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires away from the truth which hath come unto thee. For each We have appointed a divine law and a traced-out way. Had Allah willed He could have made you one community. But that He may try you by that which He hath given you (He hath made you as ye are). So vie one with another in good works. Unto Allah ye will all return, and He will then inform you of that wherein ye differ.

From the basics of Islamic knowledge is to know that all the previous Umam (pl. of Ummah) although of course being united in their Da3wah and Aqidah (i.e. call to Tawhid that united all Prophets, from Adam to Khaatam علیهم السلام), yet differed in their SHARA'IH (pl. of Shari'ah) i.e. in their divine law. There are plenty of examples; Prostrating (as a form of GREETING) was allowed in the Shari'ah of Ya'qoob, yet it is absolutely forbidden in the Shari'ah of Muhammad (peace be upon him). Basically, what was Halal to some previous nations is Haram to us and vice versa.

In the time of Nuh and Lut (عليهما السلام) marrying a kafir wasn't prohibited (Nuh even offered his daughters to the Kuffar, another misused fact that Rafidah use to justify why 'Ali gave his daughter to 'Omar!!!), their Shari'ah (not 'Aqidah) was different to ours as it is clear from other verses.

“Do not marry idolatresses (al mushrikāt) till they believe; and certainly a believing maid is better than an idolatress even though she would please you; and do not marry idolaters (al Mushrikīn) till they believe (hata yūminū), and certainly a believing slave is better than an idolater, even though he would please you. These invite to the Fire, and Allah invites to the Garden and to forgiveness by His grace, and makes clear His revelations to mankind so that they may remember.”

[al-Baqarah 2:221].

^The above verse is what our Shari'ah, the last Shari'ah for all of mankind prohibits us to do, namely to marry ANY of our believing women to kuffar or to marry their kafir women (exceptions are Ahl al-Kitab only). According to our Shari'ah Muslim man are also prohibited to wed ANY polytheist woman EXCEPT the people of the book. According to the dumb Rafidah, 'Aishah, and Hafsa were VILE IMPURE Munafiqaat and Kafiraat whom the Prophet WILLINGLY married because Allah told him so in order to TEST the Ummah (with 'Aishah) in the future (Jamal etc.), yet Allah says:

Do not marry idolatresses (al mushrikāt) till they believe; and certainly a believing maid is better than an idolatress even though she would please you ..." Qur’an 2:221.

Rafidah (like Yasser al-Khabith) argue that Prophets can be exempted from some rules, like how it was lawful to our Prophet to marry more than four fives, or the opposite, like how the qiyam prayer was mandatory upon him (whilst being optional to the rest of the Ummah).

Answer: All prohibitions in the Qur'an are first and foremost addressed to the Prophet (as he received the revelation first) then the rest of us, him having "EXTRA" rights (more than four wives) and EXTRA obligations (Qiyam prayer, EVERY NIGHT!) does not exempt him from any prohibition, let alone the prohibition of him marrying the most evil and vile IMPURE hypocrites (according to the Rafidah). The Prophet (صل الله علیه و على آله و سلم) would have never done that, nor his he to be compared to anyone else (even if he's the Prophet), our Prophet was the last Messenger of Allah, he only married pure and believing women to the best of his knowledge, he would have never married an impure kafirah, and Allah decreed that he never divorces her.
and don't make shia Quran jokes when according to ur sahih sitta the Prophet saw used to make Quran mistakes often and had to be corrected by his sahaba who themselves needed to learn ghusl from Aisha , lol sunnis man

You first learn the basics, there are no "Sahih Sitta". You cursed Majoosi, learn Arabic instead of putting avatars of an homosexual drunkard (Isma'il Safawi). It's SIHAH (you have to use the plural of Sahih) Sittah but even that is not accurate as it is: al-Kutub al-Sittah, the six books, as only two of them are generally Sahih, not all six. And no, the Prophet (peace be upon him) never made mistakes in Tajweed, he was a human and forgot (and this is what al-Saduq and some early Rafidah also believed about him and the Imams and they cursed you lot for believing otherwise). Reciting the Qur'an like laughing stocks is the hellmark of your Ayatul-Satans of the accursed city of Qom. "WalazzzOwwwleen" city, lol.
Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: Ebn Hussein on December 08, 2016, 05:35:26 AM
Bro there is an ayah clearly condeming Aisha and hafsah and saying their hearts deviated, And NOWHERE does any tafsir or Hadith say they repented, it says perhaps if u were to be divorced u will be replaced by such and such women, what's interesting is one of the qualities was a "muslim wife", which goes to show that Aisha didn't even possess the qualities of the average Muslim woman at the time

It's not condemning, it's warning and censoring. So what? You Rafidah are notorious to be losers at two three things when it comes to the Qur'an:

1- Qira'ah
2- Hifdh
3- Fahm

If you would have known the Qur'an you would have known that Allah CONSORES and WARNED the Prophet (peace be upon him) more than once in the Qur'an. In fact, in the very Surah Tahrim that you lot selectively quote, Allah says:

O Prophet, why do you prohibit [yourself from] what Allah has made lawful for you, seeking the approval of your wives? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. (66:1)

The above supports Islamic-Sunni believe, i.e. that the Prophet was infallible (in delivering the Message), however he was a human being and even he was CORRECTED by Allah (yet Power Ranger like Imams of the Rafidah never forget, never commit a single mistake, all Anti-Quranic beliefs), in fact even CONSORED, as the Surah starts of by CENSORING him (which proves that he was not an imposter, otherwise what kind of imposter would censore himself in the book he allegedly wrote himself as the enemies of Islam claim?).

So if the Prophet (peace be upon him) can be censored, then everybody else can. That doesn't make anyone evil or bad.

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NOWHERE does any tafsir or Hadith say they repented, it says perhaps if u were to be divorced u will be replaced by such and such women,

Quoting complete verses will destroy your absurd interpretation:

"Perhaps his Lord, if he divorced you [all], would substitute for him wives better than you - submitting [to Allah ], believing, devoutly obedient, repentant, worshipping, and traveling - [ones] previously married and virgins." (66:5)

That verse is what you Rafidah wished wasn't in the Qur'an, as the point is that he NEVER divorced 'Aishah and Hafsah, he stayed with them until he died i.e. Allah did NOT substitute them and this can only mean that they were good wives after all, otherwise Allah would have substituted them (which he didn't).

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what's interesting is one of the qualities was a "muslim wife", which goes to show that Aisha didn't even possess the qualities of the average Muslim woman at the time

Again you are ignorant of the Qur'an and Tafasir, 'Aishah was censored (so was the Prophet in the Qur'an) but the her ultimate decision gained her the ultimate pleasure of Allah as she (like all other wives) was given an important option:

The Reward of His Wives for choosing to stay with the Messenger   


Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid, Ad-Dahhak, Qatadah, Ibn Zayd, Ibn Jarir and others stated that this Ayah was revealed as a reward to the wives of the Prophet expressing Allah's pleasure with them for their excellent decision in choosing Allah and His Messenger and the Home of the Hereafter, when the Messenger of Allah gave them the choice. When they chose the Messenger of Allah their reward was that Allah restricted him to these wives, and forbade him to marry anyone else or to change them for other wives.

Allah says: ("O Prophet! Say to your wives...''))

"O Prophet! say to your wives: If you desire this world's life and its adornment, then come, I will give you a provision and allow you to depart a goodly departing

And if you desire Allah and His Apostle and the latter abode, then surely Allah has prepared for the doers of good among you a mighty reward. (33:28-29)

.... and he recited the two Ayat. I ('AISHAH) said to him, "Concerning what do I need to consult my parents I choose Allah and His Messenger and the Home of the Hereafter.'' He also narrated it without a chain of narrators, and added, "She said, then all the wives of the Prophet did the same as I.''

Imam Ahmad recorded that `A'ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, said: "The Messenger of Allah gave us the choice, and we chose him, so giving us that choice was not regarded as divorce.''

The Prophet never divorced 'Aisha, 'Aisha chose the hereafter, the Sahih narration of 'Ammar also testifies that she will be in Paradise with her husband.

Also don't speak of Tafasir, I know our Tafasir and the biggest irony is that whoever reads the Tafsir about Surah Tahrim will realise that

1) The Prophet was CENSORED by Allah for making something HARAM on himself and his wives were censored TOO. It's not just abou the wives.

2) It was the truthful 'Omar who was worried and SUGGESTED that the Prophet (peace be upon him) could after all divorce any of his wives if he wishes

 Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Anas said that 'Omar bin Al-Khattab said, "I heard news that the Mothers of the faithful had a dispute with the Prophet . So I advised them, saying, `Either stop bothering Allah's Messenger or Allah MIGHT provide him better wives than you.

3) Thereupon the Ayat of option was revealed and the Prophet CHOSE to stay with ALL his wives and he himself never made a fuss about what happened nor did he ever use that incident to make Takfir of his wives nor to declare them evil as the Rafidah do.
Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: Abu_Lulu on December 08, 2016, 08:29:31 AM
Bro there is an ayah clearly condeming Aisha and hafsah and saying their hearts deviated, And NOWHERE does any tafsir or Hadith say they repented, it says perhaps if u were to be divorced u will be replaced by such and such women, what's interesting is one of the qualities was a "muslim wife", which goes to show that Aisha didn't even possess the qualities of the average Muslim woman at the time

It's not condemning, it's warning and censoring. So what? You Rafidah are notorious to be losers at two three things when it comes to the Qur'an:

1- Qira'ah
2- Hifdh
3- Fahm

If you would have known the Qur'an you would have known that Allah CONSORES and WARNED the Prophet (peace be upon him) more than once in the Qur'an. In fact, in the very Surah Tahrim that you lot selectively quote, Allah says:

O Prophet, why do you prohibit [yourself from] what Allah has made lawful for you, seeking the approval of your wives? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. (66:1)

The above supports Islamic-Sunni believe, i.e. that the Prophet was infallible (in delivering the Message), however he was a human being and even he was CORRECTED by Allah (yet Power Ranger like Imams of the Rafidah never forget, never commit a single mistake, all Anti-Quranic beliefs), in fact even CONSORED, as the Surah starts of by CENSORING him (which proves that he was not an imposter, otherwise what kind of imposter would censore himself in the book he allegedly wrote himself as the enemies of Islam claim?).

So if the Prophet (peace be upon him) can be censored, then everybody else can. That doesn't make anyone evil or bad.

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NOWHERE does any tafsir or Hadith say they repented, it says perhaps if u were to be divorced u will be replaced by such and such women,

Quoting complete verses will destroy your absurd interpretation:

"Perhaps his Lord, if he divorced you [all], would substitute for him wives better than you - submitting [to Allah ], believing, devoutly obedient, repentant, worshipping, and traveling - [ones] previously married and virgins." (66:5)

That verse is what you Rafidah wished wasn't in the Qur'an, as the point is that he NEVER divorced 'Aishah and Hafsah, he stayed with them until he died i.e. Allah did NOT substitute them and this can only mean that they were good wives after all, otherwise Allah would have substituted them (which he didn't).

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what's interesting is one of the qualities was a "muslim wife", which goes to show that Aisha didn't even possess the qualities of the average Muslim woman at the time

Again you are ignorant of the Qur'an and Tafasir, 'Aishah was censored (so was the Prophet in the Qur'an) but the her ultimate decision gained her the ultimate pleasure of Allah as she (like all other wives) was given an important option:

The Reward of His Wives for choosing to stay with the Messenger   


Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid, Ad-Dahhak, Qatadah, Ibn Zayd, Ibn Jarir and others stated that this Ayah was revealed as a reward to the wives of the Prophet expressing Allah's pleasure with them for their excellent decision in choosing Allah and His Messenger and the Home of the Hereafter, when the Messenger of Allah gave them the choice. When they chose the Messenger of Allah their reward was that Allah restricted him to these wives, and forbade him to marry anyone else or to change them for other wives.

Allah says: ("O Prophet! Say to your wives...''))

"O Prophet! say to your wives: If you desire this world's life and its adornment, then come, I will give you a provision and allow you to depart a goodly departing

And if you desire Allah and His Apostle and the latter abode, then surely Allah has prepared for the doers of good among you a mighty reward. (33:28-29)

.... and he recited the two Ayat. I ('AISHAH) said to him, "Concerning what do I need to consult my parents I choose Allah and His Messenger and the Home of the Hereafter.'' He also narrated it without a chain of narrators, and added, "She said, then all the wives of the Prophet did the same as I.''

Imam Ahmad recorded that `A'ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, said: "The Messenger of Allah gave us the choice, and we chose him, so giving us that choice was not regarded as divorce.''

The Prophet never divorced 'Aisha, 'Aisha chose the hereafter, the Sahih narration of 'Ammar also testifies that she will be in Paradise with her husband.

Also don't speak of Tafasir, I know our Tafasir and the biggest irony is that whoever reads the Tafsir about Surah Tahrim will realise that

1) The Prophet was CENSORED by Allah for making something HARAM on himself and his wives were censored TOO. It's not just abou the wives.

2) It was the truthful 'Omar who was worried and SUGGESTED that the Prophet (peace be upon him) could after all divorce any of his wives if he wishes

 Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Anas said that 'Omar bin Al-Khattab said, "I heard news that the Mothers of the faithful had a dispute with the Prophet . So I advised them, saying, `Either stop bothering Allah's Messenger or Allah MIGHT provide him better wives than you.

3) Thereupon the Ayat of option was revealed and the Prophet CHOSE to stay with ALL his wives and he himself never made a fuss about what happened nor did he ever use that incident to make Takfir of his wives nor to declare them evil as the Rafidah do.
man Sunnis always attacking the Prophet (saw) to cover for Aisha. RasulAllah (saw) didn't commit any sin here, he just decided not to drink that drink anymore because of the filthy lies of Aisha and hafsah saying the blessed breath of the Prophet saw smelled bad and Allah told him he doesn't need to trouble himself because of it seeking the approval of his wives. And the part you left out of your first post was the part that CLEARLY says Aisha and hafsahs hearts deviated and they should repent, so if we can't call Aisha a kafira , we can definitely call her a munharif, if this ayah doesn't prove her kufr , the least it proves is that condemning and criticizing her for her filthy actions during and after the Prophets saw life isn't haraam
Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: Abu_Lulu on December 08, 2016, 08:36:58 AM
Bro there is an ayah clearly condeming Aisha and hafsah and saying their hearts deviated, And NOWHERE does any tafsir or Hadith say they repented, it says perhaps if u were to be divorced u will be replaced by such and such women, what's interesting is one of the qualities was a "muslim wife", which goes to show that Aisha didn't even possess the qualities of the average Muslim woman at the time

It's not condemning, it's warning and censoring. So what? You Rafidah are notorious to be losers at two three things when it comes to the Qur'an:

1- Qira'ah
2- Hifdh
3- Fahm

If you would have known the Qur'an you would have known that Allah CONSORES and WARNED the Prophet (peace be upon him) more than once in the Qur'an. In fact, in the very Surah Tahrim that you lot selectively quote, Allah says:

O Prophet, why do you prohibit [yourself from] what Allah has made lawful for you, seeking the approval of your wives? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. (66:1)

The above supports Islamic-Sunni believe, i.e. that the Prophet was infallible (in delivering the Message), however he was a human being and even he was CORRECTED by Allah (yet Power Ranger like Imams of the Rafidah never forget, never commit a single mistake, all Anti-Quranic beliefs), in fact even CONSORED, as the Surah starts of by CENSORING him (which proves that he was not an imposter, otherwise what kind of imposter would censore himself in the book he allegedly wrote himself as the enemies of Islam claim?).

So if the Prophet (peace be upon him) can be censored, then everybody else can. That doesn't make anyone evil or bad.

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NOWHERE does any tafsir or Hadith say they repented, it says perhaps if u were to be divorced u will be replaced by such and such women,

Quoting complete verses will destroy your absurd interpretation:

"Perhaps his Lord, if he divorced you [all], would substitute for him wives better than you - submitting [to Allah ], believing, devoutly obedient, repentant, worshipping, and traveling - [ones] previously married and virgins." (66:5)

That verse is what you Rafidah wished wasn't in the Qur'an, as the point is that he NEVER divorced 'Aishah and Hafsah, he stayed with them until he died i.e. Allah did NOT substitute them and this can only mean that they were good wives after all, otherwise Allah would have substituted them (which he didn't).

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what's interesting is one of the qualities was a "muslim wife", which goes to show that Aisha didn't even possess the qualities of the average Muslim woman at the time

Again you are ignorant of the Qur'an and Tafasir, 'Aishah was censored (so was the Prophet in the Qur'an) but the her ultimate decision gained her the ultimate pleasure of Allah as she (like all other wives) was given an important option:

The Reward of His Wives for choosing to stay with the Messenger   


Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid, Ad-Dahhak, Qatadah, Ibn Zayd, Ibn Jarir and others stated that this Ayah was revealed as a reward to the wives of the Prophet expressing Allah's pleasure with them for their excellent decision in choosing Allah and His Messenger and the Home of the Hereafter, when the Messenger of Allah gave them the choice. When they chose the Messenger of Allah their reward was that Allah restricted him to these wives, and forbade him to marry anyone else or to change them for other wives.

Allah says: ("O Prophet! Say to your wives...''))

"O Prophet! say to your wives: If you desire this world's life and its adornment, then come, I will give you a provision and allow you to depart a goodly departing

And if you desire Allah and His Apostle and the latter abode, then surely Allah has prepared for the doers of good among you a mighty reward. (33:28-29)

.... and he recited the two Ayat. I ('AISHAH) said to him, "Concerning what do I need to consult my parents I choose Allah and His Messenger and the Home of the Hereafter.'' He also narrated it without a chain of narrators, and added, "She said, then all the wives of the Prophet did the same as I.''

Imam Ahmad recorded that `A'ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, said: "The Messenger of Allah gave us the choice, and we chose him, so giving us that choice was not regarded as divorce.''

The Prophet never divorced 'Aisha, 'Aisha chose the hereafter, the Sahih narration of 'Ammar also testifies that she will be in Paradise with her husband.

Also don't speak of Tafasir, I know our Tafasir and the biggest irony is that whoever reads the Tafsir about Surah Tahrim will realise that

1) The Prophet was CENSORED by Allah for making something HARAM on himself and his wives were censored TOO. It's not just abou the wives.

2) It was the truthful 'Omar who was worried and SUGGESTED that the Prophet (peace be upon him) could after all divorce any of his wives if he wishes

 Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Anas said that 'Omar bin Al-Khattab said, "I heard news that the Mothers of the faithful had a dispute with the Prophet . So I advised them, saying, `Either stop bothering Allah's Messenger or Allah MIGHT provide him better wives than you.

3) Thereupon the Ayat of option was revealed and the Prophet CHOSE to stay with ALL his wives and he himself never made a fuss about what happened nor did he ever use that incident to make Takfir of his wives nor to declare them evil as the Rafidah do.


man Sunnis always attacking the Prophet (saw) to cover for Aisha. RasulAllah (saw) didn't commit any sin here, he just decided not to drink that drink anymore because of the filthy lies of Aisha and hafsah saying the blessed breath of the Prophet saw smelled bad and Allah told him he doesn't need to trouble himself because of it seeking the approval of his wives. And the part you left out of your first post was the part that CLEARLY says Aisha and hafsahs hearts deviated and they should repent, so if we can't call Aisha a kafira , we can definitely call her a munharif, if this ayah doesn't prove her kufr , the least it proves is that condemning and criticizing her for her filthy actions during and after the Prophets saw life isn't haraam. Also the ayah says the doers among you good , it's not absolute to every single wife, just like the ayah about sahaba says "and those among them who believe" , which shows it's not absolute. Oh and as for ur statement about the Prophet saw forgetting Quran (and being reminded by his sahaba who would learn ghusl from women), this goes against the Quran

"We will make you recite, [O Muhammad], and you will not forget,"

Now let me quote ibn kathir before U play Sunni word twisting games with the Quran

"(so you shall not forget,) is, "do not forget'' and that which would be abrogated, is merely an exception to this. Meaning, `do not forget what We teach you to recite, except what Allah wills, which He removes and there is no sin on your leaving it off (not retaining it).' Concerning Allah's statement,"

So Aisha's filthy accusation that the Prophet saw constantly forgot the Quran and needed to be reminded by people who themselves would learn ghusl from Aisha is kufr and against the Quran :) another evidence we can use against Aisha
 
Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: Abu_Lulu on December 08, 2016, 08:46:41 AM
I've watched a clip of one of the tyre-heads from Yasser al-Khabith's gang. A little foul mouthed idolater whose video is loved and shared by all Islam haters and people who can't believe that they actually found someone ascribed to Islam, making their dreams come true portraying the Prophet (saws) as someone who was constantly surrounded by filth (as per the claim of the Rafidah, may Allah curse them):

https://youtu.be/B88iR9JCF4M

Alot of cheap shubuhat in this clip, but on what I want to concentrate is counterargument of the Rafidah that they constantly use against less knowledgable Sunnis who quote the following verse (as the Tyre-head does in the clip with his ugly Tawjid):

الْخَبِيثَاتُ لِلْخَبِيثِينَ وَالْخَبِيثُونَ لِلْخَبِيثَاتِ وَالطَّيِّبَاتُ لِلطَّيِّبِينَ وَالطَّيِّبُونَ لِلطَّيِّبَاتِ أُوْلَئِكَ مُبَرَّؤُونَ مِمَّا يَقُولُونَ لَهُم مَّغْفِرَةٌ وَرِزْقٌ كَرِيمٌ
النور : 26

Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women. Good women are for good men, and good men for good women; such are innocent of that which people say: For them is pardon and a bountiful provision.

First response of the tyred Shaitan (everything in brackets are my comments), paraphrased: Tafasir of the Bakris (رضی الله عنهم) does not say that it is about a particular woman, let alone 'Aishah, it's in defense of a number of Sahabah women who were insulted for migrating.

Muslim response: Well, firstly, thanks for admitting that Allah revealed verses in defense of the wives of the Sahabah, for all what they have sacrificed for this religion. Secondly, there is a known Qa'idah among all scholars, of all sciences, especially the Qur'an:

العبرة بعموم اللفظ لا بخصوص السبب

which can be translated to: "What counts is the general meaning of the words, not the specific reason for revelation"

So this verse (like many other verses) obviously has a specific sabab (cause) of revelation, however its meaning (like all verses, except abrogated ones) is general.

Now when you ask the Rawafid if Ali b. Abi Talib is Khabith (vile) or good (Tayyib) they will say good (Tayyib), and indeed this is the truth.

When you asked them was his wife good (Tayyibah) or vile (Khabithah), they will say she was a Tayyibah (good), and indeed this is the truth.

He (Ali) is good and she (Fatimah) is good hence the verse (... Good women are for good men, and good men for good women....) applies on them without a shadow of doubt

Yet when you ask the Rafidah (الله يأخذهم) if the Messenger of Allah (صل الله علیه و على آله و سلم) is good (Tayyib), they will say yes, but if you ask them about two specific wives of him, especially 'Aishah, they will say she is a Khabithah (vile)!

I say: Ya Rafidah, in your ignorance you have portrayed the Prophet as a vile man, as the verse clearly states:

... Vile women are for vile men ...

NOWHERE does the verse state that a Khabithah (vile women) can possibily be with a Tayyib (good), let alone the purest of all creation, the final Messenger (peace be upon him). The Rafidah KNOW that the verse is clear, they fail to refute Allah's words, so what they do is two things:

1. They mention how the Prophet did divorced some women (or some became apostates).

Counter argument: First of all this proves that the Prophet had no knowledge of the unseen, let alone the knowledge of the unseen that is ascribed to the Imams (who know the amount of drops in the ocean, every leaf that fells of a tree i.e. strikingly similar to how ALLAHS knowledge of the unseen is described in the Qur'an) by the Rafidah. These women (if all narrations the tyre head wildly quotes from NON Sahih sources) became evil in a LATER stage and were divorced, so they are not Tayyibaat (good women) by default anymore.

2. Last thing left for them is to do QIYAS (analogy), this is what they often do in their desperation when clear text refute their evil beliefs.


Qiyas between Nooh's and Lut's (علیهما السلام) evil wives, debunking the Rafidi comparison with evidences from their own books:

The Rafidah are hell-bent to prove that a number of wives of the Prophet (by the way, they also hate Maymunah and of course Umm Habibah, sister of Mu'awiyah!) are evil kafiraat, in order to do that they resort to Qiyas, citing how other Prophets other than our Prophet also WILLINGLY married vile kafir women for "various" reasons. This is the verse they normally quote (to apply it on two wives of the last and final Messenger of Allah!):

ضَرَبَ اللَّهُ مَثَلًا لِّلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا اِمْرَأَةَ نُوحٍ وَاِمْرَأَةَ لُوطٍ كَانَتَا تَحْتَ عَبْدَيْنِ مِنْ عِبَادِنَا صَالِحَيْنِ فَخَانَتَاهُمَا فَلَمْ يُغْنِيَا عَنْهُمَا مِنَ اللَّهِ شَيْئًا وَقِيلَ ادْخُلَا النَّارَ مَعَ الدَّاخِلِينَ

Allah sets forth an example for those who disbelieve, the wife of Nuh (Noah) and the wife of Lout (Lot). They were under two of our righteous slaves, but they both betrayed their (husbands by rejecting their doctrine) so they [Nuh (Noah) and Lout (Lot)] benefited them (their respective wives) not, against Allah, and it was said: "Enter the Fire along with those who enter!"

Refutation to their Qiyas and misuse of the verse above:

We will first refute them with the Qur'an itself (which most of them don't master in any shape or form, neither Tajwid wise, Tafsir, let alone Hifdh):


وَأَنزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ بِالْحَقِّ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ مِنَ الْكِتَابِ وَمُهَيْمِنًا عَلَيْهِ فَاحْكُم بَيْنَهُم بِمَا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ وَلاَ تَتَّبِعْ أَهْوَاءهُمْ عَمَّا جَاءكَ مِنَ الْحَقِّ لِكُلٍّ جَعَلْنَا مِنكُمْ شِرْعَةً وَمِنْهَاجًا وَلَوْ شَاء اللّهُ لَجَعَلَكُمْ أُمَّةً وَاحِدَةً وَلَـكِن لِّيَبْلُوَكُمْ فِي مَا آتَاكُم فَاسْتَبِقُوا الخَيْرَاتِ إِلَى الله مَرْجِعُكُمْ جَمِيعًا فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمْ فِيهِ تَخْتَلِفُونَ {48

And unto thee have We revealed the Scripture with the truth, confirming whatever Scripture was before it, and a watcher over it. So judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires away from the truth which hath come unto thee. For each We have appointed a divine law and a traced-out way. Had Allah willed He could have made you one community. But that He may try you by that which He hath given you (He hath made you as ye are). So vie one with another in good works. Unto Allah ye will all return, and He will then inform you of that wherein ye differ.

From the basics of Islamic knowledge is to know that all the previous Umam (pl. of Ummah) although of course being united in their Da3wah and Aqidah (i.e. call to Tawhid that united all Prophets, from Adam to Khaatam علیهم السلام), yet differed in their SHARA'IH (pl. of Shari'ah) i.e. in their divine law. There are plenty of examples; Prostrating (as a form of GREETING) was allowed in the Shari'ah of Ya'qoob, yet it is absolutely forbidden in the Shari'ah of Muhammad (peace be upon him). Basically, what was Halal to some previous nations is Haram to us and vice versa.

In the time of Nuh and Lut (عليهما السلام) marrying a kafir wasn't prohibited (Nuh even offered his daughters to the Kuffar, another misused fact that Rafidah use to justify why 'Ali gave his daughter to 'Omar!!!), their Shari'ah (not 'Aqidah) was different to ours as it is clear from other verses.

“Do not marry idolatresses (al mushrikāt) till they believe; and certainly a believing maid is better than an idolatress even though she would please you; and do not marry idolaters (al Mushrikīn) till they believe (hata yūminū), and certainly a believing slave is better than an idolater, even though he would please you. These invite to the Fire, and Allah invites to the Garden and to forgiveness by His grace, and makes clear His revelations to mankind so that they may remember.”

[al-Baqarah 2:221].

^The above verse is what our Shari'ah, the last Shari'ah for all of mankind prohibits us to do, namely to marry ANY of our believing women to kuffar or to marry their kafir women (exceptions are Ahl al-Kitab only). According to our Shari'ah Muslim man are also prohibited to wed ANY polytheist woman EXCEPT the people of the book. According to the dumb Rafidah, 'Aishah, and Hafsa were VILE IMPURE Munafiqaat and Kafiraat whom the Prophet WILLINGLY married because Allah told him so in order to TEST the Ummah (with 'Aishah) in the future (Jamal etc.), yet Allah says:

Do not marry idolatresses (al mushrikāt) till they believe; and certainly a believing maid is better than an idolatress even though she would please you ..." Qur’an 2:221.

Rafidah (like Yasser al-Khabith) argue that Prophets can be exempted from some rules, like how it was lawful to our Prophet to marry more than four fives, or the opposite, like how the qiyam prayer was mandatory upon him (whilst being optional to the rest of the Ummah).

Answer: All prohibitions in the Qur'an are first and foremost addressed to the Prophet (as he received the revelation first) then the rest of us, him having "EXTRA" rights (more than four wives) and EXTRA obligations (Qiyam prayer, EVERY NIGHT!) does not exempt him from any prohibition, let alone the prohibition of him marrying the most evil and vile IMPURE hypocrites (according to the Rafidah). The Prophet (صل الله علیه و على آله و سلم) would have never done that, nor his he to be compared to anyone else (even if he's the Prophet), our Prophet was the last Messenger of Allah, he only married pure and believing women to the best of his knowledge, he would have never married an impure kafirah, and Allah decreed that he never divorces her.
and don't make shia Quran jokes when according to ur sahih sitta the Prophet saw used to make Quran mistakes often and had to be corrected by his sahaba who themselves needed to learn ghusl from Aisha , lol sunnis man

You first learn the basics, there are no "Sahih Sitta". You cursed Majoosi, learn Arabic instead of putting avatars of an homosexual drunkard (Isma'il Safawi). It's SIHAH (you have to use the plural of Sahih) Sittah but even that is not accurate as it is: al-Kutub al-Sittah, the six books, as only two of them are generally Sahih, not all six. And no, the Prophet (peace be upon him) never made mistakes in Tajweed, he was a human and forgot (and this is what al-Saduq and some early Rafidah also believed about him and the Imams and they cursed you lot for believing otherwise). Reciting the Qur'an like laughing stocks is the hellmark of your Ayatul-Satans of the accursed city of Qom. "WalazzzOwwwleen" city, lol.

The munafiqeen used to mock the pronunciation of Bellal (ra), the Man U guys sent to Syria for not giving bayah  to Abu bakr :) ur teacher mullazadeh speaks Arabic with an accent too but U never seem to mock him shemrani:)))
Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: Abu_Lulu on December 08, 2016, 08:55:39 AM
Bro there is an ayah clearly condeming Aisha and hafsah and saying their hearts deviated, And NOWHERE does any tafsir or Hadith say they repented, it says perhaps if u were to be divorced u will be replaced by such and such women, what's interesting is one of the qualities was a "muslim wife", which goes to show that Aisha didn't even possess the qualities of the average Muslim woman at the time

It's not condemning, it's warning and censoring. So what? You Rafidah are notorious to be losers at two three things when it comes to the Qur'an:

1- Qira'ah
2- Hifdh
3- Fahm

If you would have known the Qur'an you would have known that Allah CONSORES and WARNED the Prophet (peace be upon him) more than once in the Qur'an. In fact, in the very Surah Tahrim that you lot selectively quote, Allah says:

O Prophet, why do you prohibit [yourself from] what Allah has made lawful for you, seeking the approval of your wives? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. (66:1)

The above supports Islamic-Sunni believe, i.e. that the Prophet was infallible (in delivering the Message), however he was a human being and even he was CORRECTED by Allah (yet Power Ranger like Imams of the Rafidah never forget, never commit a single mistake, all Anti-Quranic beliefs), in fact even CONSORED, as the Surah starts of by CENSORING him (which proves that he was not an imposter, otherwise what kind of imposter would censore himself in the book he allegedly wrote himself as the enemies of Islam claim?).

So if the Prophet (peace be upon him) can be censored, then everybody else can. That doesn't make anyone evil or bad.

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NOWHERE does any tafsir or Hadith say they repented, it says perhaps if u were to be divorced u will be replaced by such and such women,

Quoting complete verses will destroy your absurd interpretation:

"Perhaps his Lord, if he divorced you [all], would substitute for him wives better than you - submitting [to Allah ], believing, devoutly obedient, repentant, worshipping, and traveling - [ones] previously married and virgins." (66:5)

That verse is what you Rafidah wished wasn't in the Qur'an, as the point is that he NEVER divorced 'Aishah and Hafsah, he stayed with them until he died i.e. Allah did NOT substitute them and this can only mean that they were good wives after all, otherwise Allah would have substituted them (which he didn't).

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what's interesting is one of the qualities was a "muslim wife", which goes to show that Aisha didn't even possess the qualities of the average Muslim woman at the time

Again you are ignorant of the Qur'an and Tafasir, 'Aishah was censored (so was the Prophet in the Qur'an) but the her ultimate decision gained her the ultimate pleasure of Allah as she (like all other wives) was given an important option:

The Reward of His Wives for choosing to stay with the Messenger   


Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid, Ad-Dahhak, Qatadah, Ibn Zayd, Ibn Jarir and others stated that this Ayah was revealed as a reward to the wives of the Prophet expressing Allah's pleasure with them for their excellent decision in choosing Allah and His Messenger and the Home of the Hereafter, when the Messenger of Allah gave them the choice. When they chose the Messenger of Allah their reward was that Allah restricted him to these wives, and forbade him to marry anyone else or to change them for other wives.

Allah says: ("O Prophet! Say to your wives...''))

"O Prophet! say to your wives: If you desire this world's life and its adornment, then come, I will give you a provision and allow you to depart a goodly departing

And if you desire Allah and His Apostle and the latter abode, then surely Allah has prepared for the doers of good among you a mighty reward. (33:28-29)

.... and he recited the two Ayat. I ('AISHAH) said to him, "Concerning what do I need to consult my parents I choose Allah and His Messenger and the Home of the Hereafter.'' He also narrated it without a chain of narrators, and added, "She said, then all the wives of the Prophet did the same as I.''

Imam Ahmad recorded that `A'ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, said: "The Messenger of Allah gave us the choice, and we chose him, so giving us that choice was not regarded as divorce.''

The Prophet never divorced 'Aisha, 'Aisha chose the hereafter, the Sahih narration of 'Ammar also testifies that she will be in Paradise with her husband.

Also don't speak of Tafasir, I know our Tafasir and the biggest irony is that whoever reads the Tafsir about Surah Tahrim will realise that

1) The Prophet was CENSORED by Allah for making something HARAM on himself and his wives were censored TOO. It's not just abou the wives.

2) It was the truthful 'Omar who was worried and SUGGESTED that the Prophet (peace be upon him) could after all divorce any of his wives if he wishes

 Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Anas said that 'Omar bin Al-Khattab said, "I heard news that the Mothers of the faithful had a dispute with the Prophet . So I advised them, saying, `Either stop bothering Allah's Messenger or Allah MIGHT provide him better wives than you.

3) Thereupon the Ayat of option was revealed and the Prophet CHOSE to stay with ALL his wives and he himself never made a fuss about what happened nor did he ever use that incident to make Takfir of his wives nor to declare them evil as the Rafidah do.


man Sunnis always attacking the Prophet (saw) to cover for Aisha. RasulAllah (saw) didn't commit any sin here, he just decided not to drink that drink anymore because of the filthy lies of Aisha and hafsah saying the blessed breath of the Prophet saw smelled bad and Allah told him he doesn't need to trouble himself because of it seeking the approval of his wives. And the part you left out of your first post was the part that CLEARLY says Aisha and hafsahs hearts deviated and they should repent, so if we can't call Aisha a kafira , we can definitely call her a munharif, if this ayah doesn't prove her kufr , the least it proves is that condemning and criticizing her for her filthy actions during and after the Prophets saw life isn't haraam. Also the ayah says the doers among you good , it's not absolute to every single wife, just like the ayah about sahaba says "and those among them who believe" , which shows it's not absolute. Oh and as for ur statement about the Prophet saw forgetting Quran (and being reminded by his sahaba who would learn ghusl from women), this goes against the Quran

"We will make you recite, [O Muhammad], and you will not forget,"

Now let me quote ibn kathir before U play Sunni word twisting games with the Quran

"(so you shall not forget,) is, "do not forget'' and that which would be abrogated, is merely an exception to this. Meaning, `do not forget what We teach you to recite, except what Allah wills, which He removes and there is no sin on your leaving it off (not retaining it).' Concerning Allah's statement,"

So Aisha's filthy accusation that the Prophet saw constantly forgot the Quran and needed to be reminded by people who themselves would learn ghusl from Aisha is kufr and against the Quran :) another evidence we can use against Aisha
Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: Ebn Hussein on December 08, 2016, 04:40:09 PM
First learn to quote, smh.

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man Sunnis always attacking the Prophet (saw) to cover for Aisha.

Hashaa lillaah. It's just the Qur'an doesn't support your religion, it is not my fault that the very Surah you and your sect try to use to make Takfir (and not just censoring) the mother of the believers 'Aishah, is the very Surah that STARTS OFF censoring the Prophet, peace be upon him. Yes, censoring, it's clear Arabic that you don't know, but even the translation which is accurate should make you think how false your own religion is.


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RasulAllah (saw) didn't commit any sin here, he just decided not to drink that drink anymore because of the filthy lies of Aisha and hafsah saying the blessed breath of the Prophet saw smelled bad and Allah told him he doesn't need to trouble himself because of it seeking the approval of his wives.

I never used the word sin, what you and your sect can never refute is: He was CENSORED and asked why he made something HARAM for himself, he made a mistake and was corrected by his lord. A Muslim-Sunni belief, the Qur'an is on our side while you exaggerators believe your 12 Power Ranger likes semi-deities can't commit a single mistake let alone being CENSORED by their Lord. Get over it, the Qur'an is Anti-Rafidi.

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And the part you left out of your first post was the part that CLEARLY says Aisha and hafsahs hearts deviated and they should repent, so if we can't call Aisha a kafira ,

I did not leave anything out, I commented on what you said and posted relevant tafsir plus I've proven through other verses that obviously both did repent as they were given the choice to stay with the Messenger and in return get Jannah, well guess what, they did.


we can definitely call her a munharif,

Munharif is masculine, the female form of munharif must be used. Ya Salaam, in what times we live that some mushrik descendant of Ghengis Khan says "at least I can call her munharif". No you can't, as she was censored AS was the Prophet, can you call him Munharif? No. But at least you agree that the Muslim Qur'an doesn't provide evidence for you guys to make Takfir on her.

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if this ayah doesn't prove her kufr , the least it proves is that condemning and criticizing her for her filthy actions during and after the Prophets saw life isn't haraam.

Watch your mouth you vile kafir. The Qur'an itself has censored their actions and it served as a reminder for them and all other wives and in fact all Muslim wives in the world, that the wisdom behind it. That's how Muslims understand and learn from the incident not using it to prove that they were inherently evil and other Rafidi nonsense.

The rest of your rantings have nothing to do with the topic. Don't think I will waste my time with a kid who makes blunders (how many times did I catch you?)

PS: One big lie of yours:

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So Aisha's filthy accusation that the Prophet saw constantly forgot the Quran and needed to be reminded by people


Nowhere is it reported that he constantly forgot, stop lying your wretched kafir Rafidi (in the words of my Imam, Imam al-Sadiq).
Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: Abu_Lulu on December 08, 2016, 04:56:35 PM
First learn to quote, smh.

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man Sunnis always attacking the Prophet (saw) to cover for Aisha.

Hashaa lillaah. It's just the Qur'an doesn't support your religion, it is not my fault that the very Surah you and your sect try to use to make Takfir (and not just censoring) the mother of the believers 'Aishah, is the very Surah that STARTS OFF censoring the Prophet, peace be upon him. Yes, censoring, it's clear Arabic that you don't know, but even the translation which is accurate should make you think how false your own religion is.


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RasulAllah (saw) didn't commit any sin here, he just decided not to drink that drink anymore because of the filthy lies of Aisha and hafsah saying the blessed breath of the Prophet saw smelled bad and Allah told him he doesn't need to trouble himself because of it seeking the approval of his wives.

I never used the word sin, what you and your sect can never refute is: He was CENSORED and asked why he made something HARAM for himself, he made a mistake and was corrected by his lord. A Muslim-Sunni belief, the Qur'an is on our side while you exaggerators believe your 12 Power Ranger likes semi-deities can't commit a single mistake let alone being CENSORED by their Lord. Get over it, the Qur'an is Anti-Rafidi.

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And the part you left out of your first post was the part that CLEARLY says Aisha and hafsahs hearts deviated and they should repent, so if we can't call Aisha a kafira ,

I did not leave anything out, I commented on what you said and posted relevant tafsir plus I've proven through other verses that obviously both did repent as they were given the choice to stay with the Messenger and in return get Jannah, well guess what, they did.


we can definitely call her a munharif,

Munharif is masculine, the female form of munharif must be used. Ya Salaam, in what times we live that some mushrik descendant of Ghengis Khan says "at least I can call her munharif". No you can't, as she was censored AS was the Prophet, can you call him Munharif? No. But at least you agree that the Muslim Qur'an doesn't provide evidence for you guys to make Takfir on her.

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if this ayah doesn't prove her kufr , the least it proves is that condemning and criticizing her for her filthy actions during and after the Prophets saw life isn't haraam.

Watch your mouth you vile kafir. The Qur'an itself has censored their actions and it served as a reminder for them and all other wives and in fact all Muslim wives in the world, that the wisdom behind it. That's how Muslims understand and learn from the incident not using it to prove that they were inherently evil and other Rafidi nonsense.

The rest of your rantings have nothing to do with the topic. Don't think I will waste my time with a kid who makes blunders (how many times did I catch you?)

PS: One big lie of yours:

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So Aisha's filthy accusation that the Prophet saw constantly forgot the Quran and needed to be reminded by people


Nowhere is it reported that he constantly forgot, stop lying your wretched kafir Rafidi (in the words of my Imam, Imam al-Sadiq).

It says if they stay then the doer of good among them will be rewarded, then after that Allah says whoever of them does good they will be given twice the reward and whoever does bad will be given TWICE the punishment in the hereafter, totally destroying ur claim that they are all going to heaven because they stayed. All people will be judged by their actions.

O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.
49:13

If your interpretation is that all of them are going to jannah merely because they stayed, then Allah wouldn't have said "the doers of good among you" rather he would say all of you.

He also wouldn't warn them and say they wil be punished twicefold if they commit obscenity if they are all amazing women and guaranteed paradise for staying.

And according to Hadith of Sunnis we can see so many instances where Aisha went against the Quran, for example when Aisha left her house when ordered to stay in her home. Now the bakri argument is "oh there is exceptions", however according to Sunni tafsir riding a camel to lead battle (women during times of ignorance) was not an exception

(And stay in your houses,) means, stay in your houses and do not come out except for a purpose. One of the purposes mentioned in Shari`ah is prayer in the Masjid, so long as the conditions are fulfilled, as the Messenger of Allah said:
(Do not prevent the female servants of Allah from the Masjids of Allah, but have them go out without wearing fragrance.) According to another report: (and do not Tabarruj yourselves like the Tabarruj of the times of ignorance,) Mujahid said: "Women used to go out walking in front of men, and this was the Tabarruj of Jahiliyyah.'' Qatadah said:
(and do not Tabarruj yourselves like the Taburruj of the times of ignorance,) "When they go out of their homes walking in a shameless and flirtatious manner, and Allah, may He be exalted, forbade that.'' Muqatil bin Hayyan said:

As for your claim that Sunni hadiths don't have these narrations about Prophet saw forgetting ayahs , let's see what umul Zina had to say about it

Narrated Aisha: The Prophet heard a man reciting the Qur'an in the mosque and said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such Verses of such a Surah." (Bukhari: volume 6, book 61, number 556, Khan)

Narrated Hisham: (The same Hadith, adding): which I missed (modifying the Verses). (Bukhari: volume 6, book 61, number 557, Khan)

'A'isha reported that the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) heard a person reciting the Qur'an at night. Upon this he said: May Allah show mercy to him; he has reminded me of such and such a verse which I had missed in such and such a surah. (Muslim: book 4, number 1720, Siddique)

'A'isha reported that the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) listened to the recitation of the Qur'an by a man in the mosque. Thereupon he said: May Allah have mercy upon him; be reminded me of the verse which I had been made to forget. (Muslim: book 4, number 1721, Siddique)

Narrated Mu'awiyah ibn Khudayj: One day the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) prayed and gave the salutation while a rak'ah of the prayer remained to be offered. A man went to him and said: You forgot to offer one rak'ah of prayer. ... (Abu Dawud: book 3, number 1018, Hasan)

Narrated Imran ibn Husayn: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) led them in prayer and forgot something, so he made prostrations and uttered the tashahhud, then gave the salutation. (Abu Dawud: book 3, number 1034, Hasan)

Narrated Abdullah ibn Mas'ud: ... (Muhammad said) I am only a human being and I forget just as you do; so when I forget, remind me, ... (Abu Dawud: book 3, number 1015, Hasan)

Narrated 'Abdullah: ... (Muhammad said) I am a human being like you and liable to forget like you. So if I forget remind me ... (Bukhari: volume 1, book 8, number 394, Khan)

Now let's see what the Prophet saw himself said about someone who forgets an ayah

Narrated 'Abdullah:
that the Prophet (ﷺ) said: "How horrible it is for one of them - or - one of you to say: "I have forgotten such and such Ayah,' rather he was made to forget. So be mindful of the Qur'an, for - by the One in Whose Hand is my soul - it escapes from men's hearts faster than a camel from its fetter."  : Vol. 5, Book 43, Hadith 2942
Arabic reference    : Book 46, Hadith 3194
Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: Ebn Hussein on December 08, 2016, 05:05:18 PM
The aya destroys you as it proves he never divorced her nor did Allah REPLACE her with a better wife, she was good enough and chose him and the akhira, which is a pain to you guys. I know the Quran is so anti Shia, but that's not my fault.

Also, of course they must perform good deeds, even the Prophet himself who is a Peophet! The wives (like anybody else) did good deeds and had their their mistakes, howwever, Allah will be forgiven them and let them unite with the Messenger in paradise according to many Sahih narrations.

Let me refute you with Ammar bin Yasser whom you lot claim to revere. He said she will be in paradise so do I and you will oppose him as you lot have always opposed the true Ali and his Shia:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/islamistruth.wordpress.com/2011/09/27/aishara-is-in-paradise-according-to-prophetpbuh-supporters-of-alira-major-bani-hashimra-figures/amp/
Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: Abu_Lulu on December 08, 2016, 05:24:24 PM
The aya destroys you as it proves he never divorced her nor did Allah REPLACE her with a better wife, she was good enough and chose him and the akhira, which is a pain to you guys. I know the Quran is so anti Shia, but that's not my fault.

Also, of course they must perform good deeds, even the Prophet himself who is a Peophet! The wives (like anybody else) did good deeds and had their their mistakes, howwever, Allah will be forgiven them and let them unite with the Messenger in paradise according to many Sahih narrations.

Let me refute you with Ammar bin Yasser whom you lot claim to revere. He said she will be in paradise so do I and you will oppose him as you lot have always opposed the true Ali and his Shia:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/islamistruth.wordpress.com/2011/09/27/aishara-is-in-paradise-according-to-prophetpbuh-supporters-of-alira-major-bani-hashimra-figures/amp/

U keep quoting that Hadith of Ammar ra but keep ignoring the part which says she was a TEST from Allah , Allah uses a good chaste woman to test us whether they follow him or Aisha? Give me a break man

And the ayah says her heart deviated and IF SHE WAS DIVORCED Allah can easily replace her with better wives and then lists qualities she did not possess (being a Muslim)
Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: Hani on December 08, 2016, 06:32:36 PM
The aya destroys you as it proves he never divorced her nor did Allah REPLACE her with a better wife, she was good enough and chose him and the akhira, which is a pain to you guys. I know the Quran is so anti Shia, but that's not my fault.

Also, of course they must perform good deeds, even the Prophet himself who is a Peophet! The wives (like anybody else) did good deeds and had their their mistakes, howwever, Allah will be forgiven them and let them unite with the Messenger in paradise according to many Sahih narrations.

Let me refute you with Ammar bin Yasser whom you lot claim to revere. He said she will be in paradise so do I and you will oppose him as you lot have always opposed the true Ali and his Shia:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/islamistruth.wordpress.com/2011/09/27/aishara-is-in-paradise-according-to-prophetpbuh-supporters-of-alira-major-bani-hashimra-figures/amp/

U keep quoting that Hadith of Ammar ra but keep ignoring the part which says she was a TEST from Allah , Allah uses a good chaste woman to test us whether they follow him or Aisha? Give me a break man

And the ayah says her heart deviated and IF SHE WAS DIVORCED Allah can easily replace her with better wives and then lists qualities she did not possess (being a Muslim)

How can Ammar say she will be the Prophet's wife in Jannah if she's non Muslim you ignorant? Think before you type.
Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: Ebn Hussein on December 08, 2016, 07:46:33 PM
The aya destroys you as it proves he never divorced her nor did Allah REPLACE her with a better wife, she was good enough and chose him and the akhira, which is a pain to you guys. I know the Quran is so anti Shia, but that's not my fault.

Also, of course they must perform good deeds, even the Prophet himself who is a Peophet! The wives (like anybody else) did good deeds and had their their mistakes, howwever, Allah will be forgiven them and let them unite with the Messenger in paradise according to many Sahih narrations.

Let me refute you with Ammar bin Yasser whom you lot claim to revere. He said she will be in paradise so do I and you will oppose him as you lot have always opposed the true Ali and his Shia:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/islamistruth.wordpress.com/2011/09/27/aishara-is-in-paradise-according-to-prophetpbuh-supporters-of-alira-major-bani-hashimra-figures/amp/

U keep quoting that Hadith of Ammar ra but keep ignoring the part which says she was a TEST from Allah , Allah uses a good chaste woman to test us whether they follow him or Aisha? Give me a break man

And the ayah says her heart deviated and IF SHE WAS DIVORCED Allah can easily replace her with better wives and then lists qualities she did not possess (being a Muslim)

Nobody ignores the other part, Ammar had all right to say that, he was in 'Ali's army and believed that despite the rightful demand of 'Aishah and others, absolute obedience shall be given to 'Ali, the rightful caliph. I am with him on this but also on the fact that 'Aishah is the wife of the Prophet in JANNAH. Something you guys can't digest, as it destroys your entire religion and premises.

And the ayah says her heart deviated and IF SHE WAS DIVORCED Allah can easily replace her with better wives and then lists qualities she did not possess (being a Muslim)

If, but she was not. Also, she is his wife in the NEXT WORLD. According to us the Prophet is in Paradise, so she being his wife in the next world can only mean Paradise, except if you people secretly believe he (peace be upon him) is in hell ... Do you realise what a dumb statement you made? How Allah is exposing you in every post? Fear Allah.
Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: muslim720 on December 09, 2016, 01:42:50 AM
As for your claim that Sunni hadiths don't have these narrations about Prophet saw forgetting ayahs , let's see what umul Zina had to say about it

Quite baffling to see children of mutah refer to pure women as "umul zina".  However, the image that children of mutah have of women is what they project on others.  With that in mind, I forgive you for what you have said; you have only given us a glimpse of your upbringing and family structure.

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Narrated Aisha: The Prophet heard a man reciting the Qur'an in the mosque and said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such Verses of such a Surah." (Bukhari: volume 6, book 61, number 556, Khan)

Narrated Hisham: (The same Hadith, adding): which I missed (modifying the Verses). (Bukhari: volume 6, book 61, number 557, Khan)

'A'isha reported that the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) heard a person reciting the Qur'an at night. Upon this he said: May Allah show mercy to him; he has reminded me of such and such a verse which I had missed in such and such a surah. (Muslim: book 4, number 1720, Siddique)

'A'isha reported that the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) listened to the recitation of the Qur'an by a man in the mosque. Thereupon he said: May Allah have mercy upon him; be reminded me of the verse which I had been made to forget. (Muslim: book 4, number 1721, Siddique)

There are nearly four opinions (backed by evidence) given as to why it is dispraised to say, "I have forgotten such a verse from the Quran".  Out of those four reasons, the one opinion which uses the same narrations you have quoted as evidence says that that the Companions should not say that the Prophet (saw) had forgotten such-and-such verses of the Quran because it is Allah (swt) who causes him (saw) to forget the verses that were abrogated.  Scholars who interpreted it as such maintained that the meaning of the hadith is as follows, "Do not say about me, 'You have forgotten such-and-such verse of the Quran'.  Allah (swt) causes me to forget these verses which are abrogated.  Allah (swt) says, "We will make you recite, [O Muhammad], and you will not forget.  Except what Allah should will."  [Quran 87:6-7]

The verses that Allah (swt) made the Prophet (saw) forget are the ones that were abrogated which is why your own quoted narration says, "...which I missed (modifying the Verses)".
Title: Re: Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women ... Rafidah excuses
Post by: muslim720 on December 09, 2016, 03:01:16 AM
As for the Prophet (saw) forgetting the number of rakah, here is what Al-Kafi says.

"And here’s hadith sahih from al-kafi which agrees with what was narrated in Sahih Bukhari about the man who asked the prophet if prayer was changed because the Prophet (saw) forgot the number of prayers !

    الكليني عن محمد بن يحيى ، عن أحمد بن محمد بن عيسى عن عثمان بن عيسى عن سماعة بن مهران قال : قال أبو عبد الله عليه السلام : من حفظ سهوه فأتمه فليس عليه سجدتا السهو ، فإن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم صلى بالناس والظهر ركعتين ثم سها فسلم ، فقال له ذو الشمالين : يا رسول الله أنزل في الصلاة شيء ؟
    فقال وما ذلك ؟
    فقال : إنما صليت ركعتين ، فقال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم : أتقولون مثل قوله ؟ قالوا : نعم فقام رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم فأتم بها الصلاة وسجد بهم سجدتي السهو قال : قلت : أرأيت من صلى ركعتين وظن أنهما أربعاً فسلم وانصرف ثم ذكر بعدما ذهب أنه صلى ركعتين ، قال : يستقبل الصلاة من أولها ، فقال : قلت : فما بال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم لم يستقبل الصلاة وإنما أتم بهم ما بقي من صلاته ؟ فقال : أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم لم يبرح من مجلسه ، فإن كان لم يبرح من مجلسه فليتم ما نقص من صلاته إذا كان قد حفظ الركعتين الأوليتين

this hadith is extremely sahih see : al-kafi volume 3 page 355

In short: the hadith says that rasool allah (s.a.w.) prayed “dhuhr prayer” two rak’at only and did tasleem so a guy from sahabh called “dhu al-shamalain” told him: oh rasool allah has something happened to prayer , so rasool allah asked : what’s that? so he answered : you prayed only two rak’ats so rasool allah prayed two rak’at of “sahu” (meaning forgetfulness).."