Who was Kaab El Akhbar?

[scusemyenglish]

Ibn tawoos: kaab al ahbar and Ibn salaam were from the most closest companions of Ali Ibn Abi talib. ( المصدر: التشريف بالمنن في التعريف بالمنن ص٨٠ ٨١ ٨٢

Laughable. There are a variety of ahadith where Imam Ali has condemned Ka'ab. Look it up

Your big Shia narrators like Zurarah, etc were condemned by the Imams too. But your scholars consider them reliable. Hence you have the view of Shia scholar.

Bro the fact that Ali has condemned Ka'ab is wrong.

Because Ibn Abbas was the right hand man of Ali Until the battle of siffin.

And the time when Ka'ab was close of all sahaba was during  the time of Omar. During the time of Omar he was in Medina.

And After Omar has expelled jews of Khaybar. Ka'ab was with Omar for conquered Qods . (May be because Ka'ab knew the place of Masjid Al Aqsa acording to old testament)

So Ibn Abbas has took narations from Ka'ab during the time of he was one of the sahaba who was the most near of Ali.

[ShiaMan]

Bro the fact that Ali has condemned Ka'ab is wrong.

Because Ibn Abbas was the right hand man of Ali Until the battle of siffin.

And the time when Ka'ab was close of all sahaba was during  the time of Omar. During the time of Omar he was in Medina.

And After Omar has expelled jews of Khaybar. Ka'ab was with Omar for conquered Qods . (May be because Ka'ab knew the place of Masjid Al Aqsa acording to old testament)

So Ibn Abbas has took narations from Ka'ab during the time of he was one of the sahaba who was the most near of Ali.

So let me get this. Caliph Umar was directly influenced by Kaab. Imam Ali may have been indirectly known of Kaab through Ibn Abbas. To you - that is the same thing??? Kaab heavily influenced Caliphs Umar, Uthman and then Muawiya. He had no influence on Imam Ali or Ibn Abbas as shown by Tabai below:

Tabari notes in his chronicles that Ibn Abbas (as) was told:

Kaab says that on the day of the judgement the sun and the moon will be brought forth like two (2) stupefide bulls and thrown to hell!

Upon hearing this Ibn Abbas (as) was enraged and retorted three (3) times:

Kaab is a liar!
Kaab is a liar!
Kaab is a liar!

This is a Jewish notion, and Kaab wants to introduce it into Islam. Allah is free from the things they attribute to Him. He never punishes those who obey. Have you not heard that Allah says in the Qur’an:

And He has made subject you the sun and the moon, both diligently pursuing their course (Ibrahim 33)

Ibn Abbas further said:
The word ‘Daibain’ used in this Verse denotes constant obedience to Allah.

Then he continued:

How can He punish these two (2) heavenly bodies whom He Himself praises for obedience. God curse the Jewish Scholar and his learning! What a shameless audacity to attribute Lies to Allah, and to impute guilt to the two (2) obedient creatures!

Having said this, Ibn Abbas said this three (3) times:

To Allah we belong and unto Him shall we return!
To Allah we belong and unto Him shall we return!
To Allah we belong and unto Him shall we return!

Then Ibn Abbas went on to narrate what the Prophet (Peace and Salutations to his cleansed and Pure Progeny) had actually said about the sun and the moon:

Allah created two sources of light! That which He named the Sun was like the Earth, between the points of rising and setting. And that which He ordained to be lustreless at times, He called the moon and made it smaller than the Sun. And both of them appear to be small because of their height in the sky and their distance from the earth.

Sunni reference:

Tabari - History of al-Tabari, v1, p62 - 63
European Edition

[Noor-us-Sunnah]

Dear care to provide the grading of report before using it as an argument. People attributed lies to Prophets, and ended up forming wrong views about them.

[ShiaMan]

Dear care to provide the grading of report before using it as an argument. People attributed lies to Prophets, and ended up forming wrong views about them.

Google it bro

Ka'ab Al-Ahbar and Umar

[Noor-us-Sunnah]

Dear care to provide the grading of report before using it as an argument. People attributed lies to Prophets, and ended up forming wrong views about them.

Google it bro

Ka'ab Al-Ahbar and Umar

Your ignorance is laughable. I ask authenticity, your guide me towards google. LOL.

[ShiaMan]

Dear care to provide the grading of report before using it as an argument. People attributed lies to Prophets, and ended up forming wrong views about them.

Google it bro

Ka'ab Al-Ahbar and Umar

I meant google "Tabari - History of al-Tabari, v1, p62 - 63" as the source and find the grading for yourself. I can't do everything for you.

[Noor-us-Sunnah]

Dear care to provide the grading of report before using it as an argument. People attributed lies to Prophets, and ended up forming wrong views about them.

Google it bro

Ka'ab Al-Ahbar and Umar

I meant google "Tabari - History of al-Tabari, v1, p62 - 63" as the source and find the grading for yourself. I can't do everything for you.

Had you made a search on the forum, you would have found the answer.

Brother Abu Jasim, has responded to these reports .

My Reply: As I said in the reply to the second allegation made by the Raafidha against Ka'ab Al-Ahbaar, the History of al-Tabari is not a completely authentic book that Muslims take for granted, so it is not a completely authentic book that Muslims trust and its contents. Now the reason for this narration being false is the chain of narration contains Nuh (Noah/نوح) Ibn Jaami', and he is known in the books of 'Ilm al-Rijjal as a LIAR (وضاع). He also was a Murji (مرجئ). Here is a link to information about this LIAR:

http://library.islamweb.net/hadith/RawyDetails.php?RawyID=7948

http://forum.twelvershia.net/hadith-rijal/refuting-al-islam-org's-article-'the-companions-and-the-jewish-influence-part-1'/

[ShiaMan]

Had you made a search on the forum, you would have found the answer.

Brother Abu Jasim, has responded to these reports .

My Reply: As I said in the reply to the second allegation made by the Raafidha against Ka'ab Al-Ahbaar, the History of al-Tabari is not a completely authentic book that Muslims take for granted, so it is not a completely authentic book that Muslims trust and its contents. Now the reason for this narration being false is the chain of narration contains Nuh (Noah/نوح) Ibn Jaami', and he is known in the books of 'Ilm al-Rijjal as a LIAR (وضاع). He also was a Murji (مرجئ). Here is a link to information about this LIAR:

http://library.islamweb.net/hadith/RawyDetails.php?RawyID=7948

http://forum.twelvershia.net/hadith-rijal/refuting-al-islam-org's-article-'the-companions-and-the-jewish-influence-part-1'/

So reject all of Tabari or just this one?

[Noor-us-Sunnah]

Had you made a search on the forum, you would have found the answer.

Brother Abu Jasim, has responded to these reports .

My Reply: As I said in the reply to the second allegation made by the Raafidha against Ka'ab Al-Ahbaar, the History of al-Tabari is not a completely authentic book that Muslims take for granted, so it is not a completely authentic book that Muslims trust and its contents. Now the reason for this narration being false is the chain of narration contains Nuh (Noah/نوح) Ibn Jaami', and he is known in the books of 'Ilm al-Rijjal as a LIAR (وضاع). He also was a Murji (مرجئ). Here is a link to information about this LIAR:

http://library.islamweb.net/hadith/RawyDetails.php?RawyID=7948

http://forum.twelvershia.net/hadith-rijal/refuting-al-islam-org's-article-'the-companions-and-the-jewish-influence-part-1'/

So reject all of Tabari or just this one?

Lol. The report you quoted is fabricated. Since it has a liar in its chain, Nuh ibn Jaami.

[ShiaMan]

Lol. The report you quoted is fabricated. Since it has a liar in its chain, Nuh ibn Jaami.

So Ka'ab was not Caliph Umar's friend but Ali's best friend. Is that about right?

[Noor-us-Sunnah]

Lol. The report you quoted is fabricated. Since it has a liar in its chain, Nuh ibn Jaami.

So Ka'ab was not Caliph Umar's friend but Ali's best friend. Is that about right?

Ali and Umar were friends of each other. And can have common friends too.

[ShiaMan]

Ali and Umar were friends of each other. And can have common friends too.

Hmmm, no evidence that Ka'ab actually ever met Imam Ali. The whole taking place was that ka'ab influenced IMam Ali indirectly because he was BFF with Ibn Abbas.

some more info on him:
http://www.imamreza.net/eng/imamreza.php?id=565

[Noor-us-Sunnah]

Ali and Umar were friends of each other. And can have common friends too.

Hmmm, no evidence that Ka'ab actually ever met Imam Ali. The whole taking place was that ka'ab influenced IMam Ali indirectly because he was BFF with Ibn Abbas.

some more info on him:
http://www.imamreza.net/eng/imamreza.php?id=565

Ibn tawoos: kaab al ahbar and Ibn salaam were from the most closest companions of Ali Ibn Abi talib. ( المصدر: التشريف بالمنن في التعريف بالمنن ص٨٠ ٨١ ٨٢

[ShiaMan]

Ibn tawoos: kaab al ahbar and Ibn salaam were from the most closest companions of Ali Ibn Abi talib. ( المصدر: التشريف بالمنن في التعريف بالمنن ص٨٠ ٨١ ٨٢

so are you actually showing evidence only or do you actually believe they were BFFs?

[Abu Jasim Al-Salafi]

Had you made a search on the forum, you would have found the answer.

Brother Abu Jasim, has responded to these reports .

My Reply: As I said in the reply to the second allegation made by the Raafidha against Ka'ab Al-Ahbaar, the History of al-Tabari is not a completely authentic book that Muslims take for granted, so it is not a completely authentic book that Muslims trust and its contents. Now the reason for this narration being false is the chain of narration contains Nuh (Noah/نوح) Ibn Jaami', and he is known in the books of 'Ilm al-Rijjal as a LIAR (وضاع). He also was a Murji (مرجئ). Here is a link to information about this LIAR:

http://library.islamweb.net/hadith/RawyDetails.php?RawyID=7948

http://forum.twelvershia.net/hadith-rijal/refuting-al-islam-org's-article-'the-companions-and-the-jewish-influence-part-1'/

So reject all of Tabari or just this one?

No we do not reject the history of Imam al-Tabari, we reject the lies in it.

[scusemyenglish]

Salam.

There is many month I have post one question to Islamic Centre for Research And Academics

They have respond me saying.

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,

Please excuse the delay in responding.

 I will have to see the details of the particular narrative but shortly:

1. The sources are secondary and cannot stand against established evidence to the contrary which tells us that Umar (rA) nominated 6 people for the office of Caliphate after him and Ali (rA) was one of them. Therefore, even if the episode in the narrative is true it is clear that Umar (rA) did not bother much about it.

2. If the Jewish origins would have incited some hatred Ka'b would have hated Umar (rA) more as it was he who expelled the Jews from Khaibar (along with Christians of Najran) in accordance with the Prophetic directive.

3. Therefore, it is safe to conclude that the results brought out from the story are far fetched and at variance with established facts of history.

(Brother Waqar Cheema, Founder)

[scusemyenglish]

Salam,

in the website of "El Ifta" I have read that,

A grave mistake because of blind imitation


The second point is his description of Ka`b Al-Ahbar - in imitation of some of late critics - as being a Jew who feigned Islam to (freely) conspire against it and to corrupt its followers.
A: This disagrees with the well-known information reported by Muslim scholars and transmitters of reports. For the scholars of Hadith reported from him, while Mu`awiyah (may Allah be pleased with him) and many righteous Salaf praised him.

(Part No. 3; Page No. 216)

Moreover, Muslim related from him in his "Sahih", while Al-Bukhari mentioned him in his book, "Al-Jami` Al-Sahih" without raising any suspicion about him. Also, Al-Hafizh Ibn Hajar referred to him in "Al-Isabah and in Al-Tahdhib", and Ibn Al-Athir referred to him in "Usd Al-Ghabah" without hurling any accusations at him.
In addition, Al-Hafizh Ibn Hajar stated in "Taqrib Al-Tahdhib" "Ka`b ibn Mati` Al-Himyari, Abu Ishaq - known as Ka`b Al-Ahbar - was a Thiqah (trustworthy) narrator from Yemenites who dwelled in the Levant (the region covering Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and Palestine). He lived through paganism and Islam, and died during the caliphate of `Uthman (may Allah be pleased with him)." So, how can anyone who fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him accuse a person, who declared Islam, called to it and took part in what the Companions did, of being a Jew, with no warrant or argument supporting such a claim?
It is authentically reported that the Prophet (peace be upon him) warned the Muslims against vilifying each other, and informed us that the one who falsely accuses his fellow brother of something, the reviler would then be worthier of the hurled offensive trait than the one reviled.
Moreover, the fact that he reported some strange Israelite narrations (from the Jews) does not justify accusing him of being a Jew or of plotting against Islam, since the Prophet (peace be upon him) said:  Relate traditions from the Children of Israel, and you bear no sin.
On the other hand, Muslim scholars have scrutinized the reports of the Children of Israel and disproved and refuted of it whatever opposed the truth. Thus, Ka`b in this regard resembles `Abdullah ibn `Amr, `Abdullah ibn Salam, Wahb, and others of those who transmitted the reports of the Children of Israel.
Just as it is impermissible to accuse `Abdullah ibn `Amr ibn Al-`As (may Allah be pleased with them) of being a Jew because he transmitted much from the reports of the Children of Israel that were in the two loads he seized on the day of Al-Yarmuk of their (Jews') books, thus it is impermissible to accuse Ka`b of being a Jew or of plotting against Islam due to the same reason.
It is also impermissible to set him side by side with `Abdullah ibn Saba' and the likes of well-known disbelievers, atheists, and plotters against Islam.

(Part No. 3; Page No. 217)

It is narrated in the Two Sahih Books (i.e. Al-Bukhari and Muslim) from Abu Dhar (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said,  He who brands another as disbeliever or says to him "O enemy of Allah", while in fact he is not so, it certainly rebounds on him.
This Hadith and others with the same meaning make it an obligation that the Muslim ascertain in judging people and be careful not to slander his fellow Muslims on the mere grounds of suspicion or the blind imitation of unreliable persons. Indeed, it is Allah (alone) Whose Help we seek.

Source: http://www.alifta.net/Search/ResultDetails.aspx?languagename=en&lang=en&view=result&fatwaNum=&FatwaNumID=&ID=193&searchScope=14&SearchScopeLevels1=&SearchScopeLevels2=&highLight=1&SearchType=exact&SearchMoesar=false&bookID=&LeftVal=0&RightVal=0&simple=&SearchCriteria=allwords&PagePath=&siteSection=1&searchkeyword=097110103101108115032112105099116117114101115#firstKeyWordFound


Someone can say me  what Mouawiya precisly said about Kaab ?

Barak'Allah ou fikoum

[scusemyenglish]

Nobody knows what Cheikh Ibn Baz  was talking about Mouawiya and Kaab?

[scusemyenglish]

In fact the link that I have only found is in Tabari saying " Ka'b was in Damas and his job was to say goods things about this town throug extract of tawra"