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Sunni Shia Discussion Forum => Sahabah-AhlulBayt => Topic started by: scusemyenglish on February 15, 2016, 11:22:41 PM
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For Shias there is no one but rather two Paul of Tarsus!
Omar and Kaab el Ahbar! (sometimes they add a third Paul Of Tarsus with Mouawiya ! but we will limite to Kaab...)
in response to Abdallah Ibn Sabah, Shias they like to compare him to Kaab el Akhbar.
Shias like introduce kaab el Ahbar as a spy who hates Ali.
I have resume all shia point of view on Kaab el Ahbar.
First page http://www.al-islam.org/shiite-encyclopedia-ahlul-bayt-dilp-team/companions-and-jewish-influence-part-1
second page http://www.al-islam.org/shiite-encyclopedia-ahlul-bayt-dilp-team/companions-and-jewish-influence-part-2
then http://www.al-islam.org/shiite-encyclopedia-ahlul-bayt-dilp-team/companions-and-jewish-influence-part-3
What is the part of reality and the part of creepypasta?
And more generally who was Kaab el Ahbar?
Barak'allah ou fikoum.
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Ka'ab was a notable convert to Islam from a Jewish background. The Sahaba used to ask him about the old tales of Bani Isra'eel because he knew of old Jewish history.
Since Jews have a bad reputation, Shias like to suggest that Sunni Islam had Jewish origins.
It is important to be aware that Ka'ab wasn't a major hadith narrator. He mainly spoke of stories about Bani Isra'eel.
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Farid, was he a companion or a Tab'i?
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I have one hadith under the eyes.
reported by Ahmad " Omar was with Kaab El Akhbar to EL QODS. Kaab wanted the masjed Al Aqsa be built behind the rock. Omar refused and says " not like Judaism,we will pray in front of the rock! ."
sorry it's my own translation ...
according to Ahmed Shakir is an authentic narration.
Look Bidaya wal nihaya t 7 p 55-57
So APPARENTLY Kaab El Ahbar has contributed to the construction of masjid Al aqsa mentionned in the Coran. It's strange for a "spy"...
And the messenger at the beginnig prayed towad this place . the masjid quiblatain in medina prove it.
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Apparretly Kaab wanted to turn the rock into sutra
correct me if I'm wrong
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@Imam Ali: He was a Tabi'ee.
@scusemyenglish: Interesting point.
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@Imam Ali: He was a Tabi'ee.
@scusemyenglish: Interesting point.
Yes the fist time I have heard this hadith is one Ahlou Lbidar he says " Look Kaab want to introduce jew habit into islam because he wants to pray behind the rock..."
I think it's his Ijtihad. he was thinking that is better. But Omar says the contrary. The most important for me it's Kaab has contributed to build masjid Al Aqsa irrepective his personal ijtihad!
He was "just" a tabi'i it's normal if he has a point a view different of Omar....
The Most important thing. Kaab Has contributed to build a masjid on the most holy place for judaism! It is the proof he loves Islam than more all. And he has the confidence of Omar!
I intend to talk about that point in my refutation on Abou Hourayra. For show Kaab is a man reliable. Contrary I will show the real jewish influence on shia creed.
For example in jew people there is "Marranism" of espagna. they show they are christian to all appearance but truly they are jew. It's like Taquiya .then Some jews curse Maryam and some Shia curse mother of believers. etc etc etc etc etc...
That is real common trait between shia and some jew. It's not a joke like kaab el Ahbar and the error with the hadith on the creation in 6 or 7 days withtch change nothing.
If Kaab was a spy, For example he would say "Aisha has killed the messenger! puh" for washing jew people.
this is what he would have said!
it should be noted that many jew orientalist like Goldziher want to contest the status of Qods into Islam... And all his studies are present in Israel today...
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In fact I think Omar when he goes to Al Aqsa in the capacity of khalife. he need the help of an old jew converted to islam for know where was the place of masjid al aqsa.
Probably because Omar knew that masjid Alqsa was on the temples of salomon and an old jew expert is better for know that...
I am not a scholar but in my book of Yusuf Al Wabyl. He talks about this prediction of the conquest of Qods. And he reports this hadith of Kaab with Omar so I suppose that Kaab was the adviser of Omar for build masjid Al aqsa ...
Allah ou ahlam...
PS: the prediction about the conquest of Al Aqsa is reported by Awf Ibn Malik in sahih Bukhari.
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For me we can sum up Kaab El Akhbar with 2 points.
First: MASJID AL AQSA that Israel want to destroye
Secondly: stories about Bani Isra'eel. But you must know that his narrations are for the most not rise authentically from him...
There is no narration of him in Bukhari and just one in sahih Muslim from Abou Hourayra. look Taqrib Al Tahdhib t.2 p.135 Taqrib Al Tahdhibb t.8 P438.440 and Tadhikirat Al Huffaz t.1 p52.
I think the rest is creepypasta.... Farid what do you think about links in my fist message?
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Say" thank you" to Kaab El Akhbar because he has contributed to build the SYMBOLE of the Palestinian resistance against israel.
If only Abdallah Ibn Saba was like him...
You must know shia they don't recognize this masjid!
The Jew orientalist Goldzinger, He has used shia creed for saying Al Qods is a CELESTIAL MASJID!!!! And he says hadith about the worth of Al Qods was invented by Banu Ommeyade.
His goal is try to prove, with shia creed, that al Qods is only for jew people and not for muslims!
Whatever haha especially when you know the worth of al aqsa in Quoran and Masjid Quiblatain in medina whitch show the messenger (puh) like very much this land!
See this book. written by Tarrek Hijazi. About that!
http://islamhouse.com/fr/books/268692/
Shia they don't like this masjid!
I think like Omar and Kaab has built this masjid is a aggravating factor!
I thing the rest are creepypasta, like the story of the mahdi under earth, for defame him... But I have no study chains of narations whitch saying bad things upon him... If someone can respond...
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Like you know people who hate Mouawiya. They says Kaab was the scholar of Mouawiya for introduce jew customs...
But in many hadith sahih reported by Muslim and Bukhari there is Mouawiya who was to medina during his last visit... then He has did a khotba, a preach for forbid wig because acording to him it a pratice from son of israel... He has said "I have never seen someone with wig exepted jew"...
See the hadith in french.
"d'après Sa`îd ibn Al-Moussayyib qui a dit que: Mou`âwiya vint à Médine et il nous fit un discours et sortit une touffe de cheveux en disant: "Je n'ai vu personne d'autre le faire à part les juifs. On en parla au Messager d'Allah (Salla Allah `Alaihi Wa Sallam) et il qualifia cet acte de tromperie. Et dans une autre version de Mouslim, Mo`âwiyya (Qu'Allah soit satisfait de lui) dit un jour: Vous avez innové un apparat du mal, et le Prophète d'Allah (Salla Allah `Alaihi Wa Sallam) a interdit la tromperie."
Another thing. Said Ibn Moussayb, the grandson of Abou Hourayra, who was against Ommeyade against Yazid and Abdelmalik, respected Mouawiya! And he reported hadith from Mouawiya Like you can see.
Said Ibn Moussayb, the grandson of Abou Hourayra, was on the same attitude as Hussein Ibn Ali... He respected Mouawiya but not his children. Like all sunnis. ;)
So if Abou Hourayra was alive during the khalifa of Yazid he would be against Yazid like Said Ibn Moussayb. Shia they defame Abou Hourayra because he was dieded before the second fitna... So we don't know what would have his attitude but through Moussayb we know his possible attitude...
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Nobody can respond to my first post?
I know it's a very secondary thing... But I need to know.
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I have find that.
http://islamic-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=4800
Farid, it 's him Moin?
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No, that is not Moin.
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No, that is not Moin.
Apparently he has made a work upon Kaab El Ahbar.
I search him.
If someone can contact him. please warn him.
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No, that is not Moin.
Apparently he has made a work upon Kaab El Ahbar.
I search him.
If someone can contact him. please warn him.
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I want to talk with "Moin" because I want to know the level of authenticity of this hadith against Kaab because it's seems crazy.
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KA'B AL-AḤBAR:
By: Richard Gottheil, Hartwig Hirschfeld
One of the most prominent fathers of Moslem tradition, and one of those who introduced into this branch of Arab literature the method as well as many details of the Jewish Haggadah; died 32 or 35 a.h. (652 or 655 C.E.). Of his earlier life nothing is known except that he was a Jew, a native of Yemen. His complete name was Abu Isḥaḳ Ka'b b. Mati' b. Haisu (Hosea ?). A genealogy attributing to him a purely Arabic descent also exists; it was probably invented after he had embraced Islam. This he did during the califate of Abu Bakr (according to others, of Omar), whom he joined at Medina. On account of his theological learning he was styled "Al-Ḥibr" or "Al-Aḥbar," which is an adaptation of the Hebrew "ḥaber." He lectured on the Koran and the career of Mohammed, not from the merely exegetical and biographical points of view, but in a homiletic and haggadic manner, just as Abdallah b. Salam had done. Both these men laid the foundation for the legends which glorify Mohammed's youth and prophetic call.
The most prominent of Ka'b's disciples were Ibn 'Abbas and Abu Hurairah, prolific traditionists, who developed the art of apotheosizing the prophet's life to its utmost extent, and are therefore not very reliable authorities. Ka'b was a great favorite of the calif Omar, who frequently consulted him, chiefly on religious matters. As a politician Ka'b was a partizan of Othman, and was once even flogged by Abu Darr, who disapproved of the calif's administration. There are many sayings attributed to Ka'b, among them being the statement that "the world will last six thousand years" (comp. Sanh. 97). Several other sayings refer to the superiority of Egypt over other countries. Ka'b retired toward the end of his life to Emesa. He left a son named Tubai.
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/9105-ka-b-al-ahbar
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Ibn tawoos: kaab al ahbar and Ibn salaam were from the most closest companions of Ali Ibn Abi talib. ( المصدر: التشريف بالمنن في التعريف بالمنن ص٨٠ ٨١ ٨٢
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Ibn tawoos: kaab al ahbar and Ibn salaam were from the most closest companions of Ali Ibn Abi talib. ( المصدر: التشريف بالمنن في التعريف بالمنن ص٨٠ ٨١ ٨٢
Laughable. There are a variety of ahadith where Imam Ali has condemned Ka'ab. Look it up
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Ibn tawoos: kaab al ahbar and Ibn salaam were from the most closest companions of Ali Ibn Abi talib. ( المصدر: التشريف بالمنن في التعريف بالمنن ص٨٠ ٨١ ٨٢
Laughable. There are a variety of ahadith where Imam Ali has condemned Ka'ab. Look it up
Your big Shia narrators like Zurarah, etc were condemned by the Imams too. But your scholars consider them reliable. Hence you have the view of Shia scholar.
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Ibn tawoos: kaab al ahbar and Ibn salaam were from the most closest companions of Ali Ibn Abi talib. ( المصدر: التشريف بالمنن في التعريف بالمنن ص٨٠ ٨١ ٨٢
Laughable. There are a variety of ahadith where Imam Ali has condemned Ka'ab. Look it up
Your big Shia narrators like Zurarah, etc were condemned by the Imams too. But your scholars consider them reliable. Hence you have the view of Shia scholar.
Bro the fact that Ali has condemned Ka'ab is wrong.
Because Ibn Abbas was the right hand man of Ali Until the battle of siffin.
And the time when Ka'ab was close of all sahaba was during the time of Omar. During the time of Omar he was in Medina.
And After Omar has expelled jews of Khaybar. Ka'ab was with Omar for conquered Qods . (May be because Ka'ab knew the place of Masjid Al Aqsa acording to old testament)
So Ibn Abbas has took narations from Ka'ab during the time of he was one of the sahaba who was the most near of Ali.
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Bro the fact that Ali has condemned Ka'ab is wrong.
Because Ibn Abbas was the right hand man of Ali Until the battle of siffin.
And the time when Ka'ab was close of all sahaba was during the time of Omar. During the time of Omar he was in Medina.
And After Omar has expelled jews of Khaybar. Ka'ab was with Omar for conquered Qods . (May be because Ka'ab knew the place of Masjid Al Aqsa acording to old testament)
So Ibn Abbas has took narations from Ka'ab during the time of he was one of the sahaba who was the most near of Ali.
So let me get this. Caliph Umar was directly influenced by Kaab. Imam Ali may have been indirectly known of Kaab through Ibn Abbas. To you - that is the same thing??? Kaab heavily influenced Caliphs Umar, Uthman and then Muawiya. He had no influence on Imam Ali or Ibn Abbas as shown by Tabai below:
Tabari notes in his chronicles that Ibn Abbas (as) was told:
Kaab says that on the day of the judgement the sun and the moon will be brought forth like two (2) stupefide bulls and thrown to hell!
Upon hearing this Ibn Abbas (as) was enraged and retorted three (3) times:
Kaab is a liar!
Kaab is a liar!
Kaab is a liar!
This is a Jewish notion, and Kaab wants to introduce it into Islam. Allah is free from the things they attribute to Him. He never punishes those who obey. Have you not heard that Allah says in the Qur’an:
And He has made subject you the sun and the moon, both diligently pursuing their course (Ibrahim 33)
Ibn Abbas further said:
The word ‘Daibain’ used in this Verse denotes constant obedience to Allah.
Then he continued:
How can He punish these two (2) heavenly bodies whom He Himself praises for obedience. God curse the Jewish Scholar and his learning! What a shameless audacity to attribute Lies to Allah, and to impute guilt to the two (2) obedient creatures!
Having said this, Ibn Abbas said this three (3) times:
To Allah we belong and unto Him shall we return!
To Allah we belong and unto Him shall we return!
To Allah we belong and unto Him shall we return!
Then Ibn Abbas went on to narrate what the Prophet (Peace and Salutations to his cleansed and Pure Progeny) had actually said about the sun and the moon:
Allah created two sources of light! That which He named the Sun was like the Earth, between the points of rising and setting. And that which He ordained to be lustreless at times, He called the moon and made it smaller than the Sun. And both of them appear to be small because of their height in the sky and their distance from the earth.
Sunni reference:
Tabari - History of al-Tabari, v1, p62 - 63
European Edition
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Dear care to provide the grading of report before using it as an argument. People attributed lies to Prophets, and ended up forming wrong views about them.
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Dear care to provide the grading of report before using it as an argument. People attributed lies to Prophets, and ended up forming wrong views about them.
Google it bro
Ka'ab Al-Ahbar and Umar
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Dear care to provide the grading of report before using it as an argument. People attributed lies to Prophets, and ended up forming wrong views about them.
Google it bro
Ka'ab Al-Ahbar and Umar
Your ignorance is laughable. I ask authenticity, your guide me towards google. LOL.
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Dear care to provide the grading of report before using it as an argument. People attributed lies to Prophets, and ended up forming wrong views about them.
Google it bro
Ka'ab Al-Ahbar and Umar
I meant google "Tabari - History of al-Tabari, v1, p62 - 63" as the source and find the grading for yourself. I can't do everything for you.
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Dear care to provide the grading of report before using it as an argument. People attributed lies to Prophets, and ended up forming wrong views about them.
Google it bro
Ka'ab Al-Ahbar and Umar
I meant google "Tabari - History of al-Tabari, v1, p62 - 63" as the source and find the grading for yourself. I can't do everything for you.
Had you made a search on the forum, you would have found the answer.
Brother Abu Jasim, has responded to these reports .
My Reply: As I said in the reply to the second allegation made by the Raafidha against Ka'ab Al-Ahbaar, the History of al-Tabari is not a completely authentic book that Muslims take for granted, so it is not a completely authentic book that Muslims trust and its contents. Now the reason for this narration being false is the chain of narration contains Nuh (Noah/نوح) Ibn Jaami', and he is known in the books of 'Ilm al-Rijjal as a LIAR (وضاع). He also was a Murji (مرجئ). Here is a link to information about this LIAR:
http://library.islamweb.net/hadith/RawyDetails.php?RawyID=7948
http://forum.twelvershia.net/hadith-rijal/refuting-al-islam-org's-article-'the-companions-and-the-jewish-influence-part-1'/
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Had you made a search on the forum, you would have found the answer.
Brother Abu Jasim, has responded to these reports .
My Reply: As I said in the reply to the second allegation made by the Raafidha against Ka'ab Al-Ahbaar, the History of al-Tabari is not a completely authentic book that Muslims take for granted, so it is not a completely authentic book that Muslims trust and its contents. Now the reason for this narration being false is the chain of narration contains Nuh (Noah/نوح) Ibn Jaami', and he is known in the books of 'Ilm al-Rijjal as a LIAR (وضاع). He also was a Murji (مرجئ). Here is a link to information about this LIAR:
http://library.islamweb.net/hadith/RawyDetails.php?RawyID=7948
http://forum.twelvershia.net/hadith-rijal/refuting-al-islam-org's-article-'the-companions-and-the-jewish-influence-part-1'/
So reject all of Tabari or just this one?
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Had you made a search on the forum, you would have found the answer.
Brother Abu Jasim, has responded to these reports .
My Reply: As I said in the reply to the second allegation made by the Raafidha against Ka'ab Al-Ahbaar, the History of al-Tabari is not a completely authentic book that Muslims take for granted, so it is not a completely authentic book that Muslims trust and its contents. Now the reason for this narration being false is the chain of narration contains Nuh (Noah/نوح) Ibn Jaami', and he is known in the books of 'Ilm al-Rijjal as a LIAR (وضاع). He also was a Murji (مرجئ). Here is a link to information about this LIAR:
http://library.islamweb.net/hadith/RawyDetails.php?RawyID=7948
http://forum.twelvershia.net/hadith-rijal/refuting-al-islam-org's-article-'the-companions-and-the-jewish-influence-part-1'/
So reject all of Tabari or just this one?
Lol. The report you quoted is fabricated. Since it has a liar in its chain, Nuh ibn Jaami.
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Lol. The report you quoted is fabricated. Since it has a liar in its chain, Nuh ibn Jaami.
So Ka'ab was not Caliph Umar's friend but Ali's best friend. Is that about right?
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Lol. The report you quoted is fabricated. Since it has a liar in its chain, Nuh ibn Jaami.
So Ka'ab was not Caliph Umar's friend but Ali's best friend. Is that about right?
Ali and Umar were friends of each other. And can have common friends too.
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Ali and Umar were friends of each other. And can have common friends too.
Hmmm, no evidence that Ka'ab actually ever met Imam Ali. The whole taking place was that ka'ab influenced IMam Ali indirectly because he was BFF with Ibn Abbas.
some more info on him:
http://www.imamreza.net/eng/imamreza.php?id=565
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Ali and Umar were friends of each other. And can have common friends too.
Hmmm, no evidence that Ka'ab actually ever met Imam Ali. The whole taking place was that ka'ab influenced IMam Ali indirectly because he was BFF with Ibn Abbas.
some more info on him:
http://www.imamreza.net/eng/imamreza.php?id=565
Ibn tawoos: kaab al ahbar and Ibn salaam were from the most closest companions of Ali Ibn Abi talib. ( المصدر: التشريف بالمنن في التعريف بالمنن ص٨٠ ٨١ ٨٢
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Ibn tawoos: kaab al ahbar and Ibn salaam were from the most closest companions of Ali Ibn Abi talib. ( المصدر: التشريف بالمنن في التعريف بالمنن ص٨٠ ٨١ ٨٢
so are you actually showing evidence only or do you actually believe they were BFFs?
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Had you made a search on the forum, you would have found the answer.
Brother Abu Jasim, has responded to these reports .
My Reply: As I said in the reply to the second allegation made by the Raafidha against Ka'ab Al-Ahbaar, the History of al-Tabari is not a completely authentic book that Muslims take for granted, so it is not a completely authentic book that Muslims trust and its contents. Now the reason for this narration being false is the chain of narration contains Nuh (Noah/نوح) Ibn Jaami', and he is known in the books of 'Ilm al-Rijjal as a LIAR (وضاع). He also was a Murji (مرجئ). Here is a link to information about this LIAR:
http://library.islamweb.net/hadith/RawyDetails.php?RawyID=7948
http://forum.twelvershia.net/hadith-rijal/refuting-al-islam-org's-article-'the-companions-and-the-jewish-influence-part-1'/
So reject all of Tabari or just this one?
No we do not reject the history of Imam al-Tabari, we reject the lies in it.
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Salam.
There is many month I have post one question to Islamic Centre for Research And Academics
They have respond me saying.
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,
Please excuse the delay in responding.
I will have to see the details of the particular narrative but shortly:
1. The sources are secondary and cannot stand against established evidence to the contrary which tells us that Umar (rA) nominated 6 people for the office of Caliphate after him and Ali (rA) was one of them. Therefore, even if the episode in the narrative is true it is clear that Umar (rA) did not bother much about it.
2. If the Jewish origins would have incited some hatred Ka'b would have hated Umar (rA) more as it was he who expelled the Jews from Khaibar (along with Christians of Najran) in accordance with the Prophetic directive.
3. Therefore, it is safe to conclude that the results brought out from the story are far fetched and at variance with established facts of history.
(Brother Waqar Cheema, Founder)
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Salam,
in the website of "El Ifta" I have read that,
A grave mistake because of blind imitation
The second point is his description of Ka`b Al-Ahbar - in imitation of some of late critics - as being a Jew who feigned Islam to (freely) conspire against it and to corrupt its followers.
A: This disagrees with the well-known information reported by Muslim scholars and transmitters of reports. For the scholars of Hadith reported from him, while Mu`awiyah (may Allah be pleased with him) and many righteous Salaf praised him.
(Part No. 3; Page No. 216)
Moreover, Muslim related from him in his "Sahih", while Al-Bukhari mentioned him in his book, "Al-Jami` Al-Sahih" without raising any suspicion about him. Also, Al-Hafizh Ibn Hajar referred to him in "Al-Isabah and in Al-Tahdhib", and Ibn Al-Athir referred to him in "Usd Al-Ghabah" without hurling any accusations at him.
In addition, Al-Hafizh Ibn Hajar stated in "Taqrib Al-Tahdhib" "Ka`b ibn Mati` Al-Himyari, Abu Ishaq - known as Ka`b Al-Ahbar - was a Thiqah (trustworthy) narrator from Yemenites who dwelled in the Levant (the region covering Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and Palestine). He lived through paganism and Islam, and died during the caliphate of `Uthman (may Allah be pleased with him)." So, how can anyone who fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him accuse a person, who declared Islam, called to it and took part in what the Companions did, of being a Jew, with no warrant or argument supporting such a claim?
It is authentically reported that the Prophet (peace be upon him) warned the Muslims against vilifying each other, and informed us that the one who falsely accuses his fellow brother of something, the reviler would then be worthier of the hurled offensive trait than the one reviled.
Moreover, the fact that he reported some strange Israelite narrations (from the Jews) does not justify accusing him of being a Jew or of plotting against Islam, since the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Relate traditions from the Children of Israel, and you bear no sin.
On the other hand, Muslim scholars have scrutinized the reports of the Children of Israel and disproved and refuted of it whatever opposed the truth. Thus, Ka`b in this regard resembles `Abdullah ibn `Amr, `Abdullah ibn Salam, Wahb, and others of those who transmitted the reports of the Children of Israel.
Just as it is impermissible to accuse `Abdullah ibn `Amr ibn Al-`As (may Allah be pleased with them) of being a Jew because he transmitted much from the reports of the Children of Israel that were in the two loads he seized on the day of Al-Yarmuk of their (Jews') books, thus it is impermissible to accuse Ka`b of being a Jew or of plotting against Islam due to the same reason.
It is also impermissible to set him side by side with `Abdullah ibn Saba' and the likes of well-known disbelievers, atheists, and plotters against Islam.
(Part No. 3; Page No. 217)
It is narrated in the Two Sahih Books (i.e. Al-Bukhari and Muslim) from Abu Dhar (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said, He who brands another as disbeliever or says to him "O enemy of Allah", while in fact he is not so, it certainly rebounds on him.
This Hadith and others with the same meaning make it an obligation that the Muslim ascertain in judging people and be careful not to slander his fellow Muslims on the mere grounds of suspicion or the blind imitation of unreliable persons. Indeed, it is Allah (alone) Whose Help we seek.
Source: http://www.alifta.net/Search/ResultDetails.aspx?languagename=en&lang=en&view=result&fatwaNum=&FatwaNumID=&ID=193&searchScope=14&SearchScopeLevels1=&SearchScopeLevels2=&highLight=1&SearchType=exact&SearchMoesar=false&bookID=&LeftVal=0&RightVal=0&simple=&SearchCriteria=allwords&PagePath=&siteSection=1&searchkeyword=097110103101108115032112105099116117114101115#firstKeyWordFound
Someone can say me what Mouawiya precisly said about Kaab ?
Barak'Allah ou fikoum
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Nobody knows what Cheikh Ibn Baz was talking about Mouawiya and Kaab?
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In fact the link that I have only found is in Tabari saying " Ka'b was in Damas and his job was to say goods things about this town throug extract of tawra"