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MissyB786

Yazid
« on: December 01, 2014, 01:47:16 AM »
found an interesting page on this

https://www.facebook.com/AlMuhammadiyya?fref=nf

from what i understand Yazid had his flaws, but we don't curse him, because its quite depressing cursing someone all the time and making it part of ur religion.

Hmmm

Hani

Re: Yazid
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2014, 02:26:02 AM »
I hate his guts but I dislike cursing, especially the dead.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

labelingtheory

Re: Yazid
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2015, 04:56:46 PM »
found an interesting page on this

https://www.facebook.com/AlMuhammadiyya?fref=nf

from what i understand Yazid had his flaws, but we don't curse him, because its quite depressing cursing someone all the time and making it part of ur religion.

Hmmm

Yeah because Allah never cursed Abu Lahab in the Qur'an right? Cursing is part of the sunnah of Allah and the Qur'an.

Taha

Re: Yazid
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2015, 06:17:37 PM »
I once cursed him in front of a Sunni Moroccan girl. She was like "why are you cursing my dad?"

#Awkward

Hani

Re: Yazid
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2015, 07:36:25 PM »
found an interesting page on this

https://www.facebook.com/AlMuhammadiyya?fref=nf

from what i understand Yazid had his flaws, but we don't curse him, because its quite depressing cursing someone all the time and making it part of ur religion.

Hmmm

Yeah because Allah never cursed Abu Lahab in the Qur'an right? Cursing is part of the sunnah of Allah and the Qur'an.

If Allah curses THAT IS ALLAH, but as for us it was the Prophet (saw) himself to told us to not be from those who constantly curse and speak foul language.

The Sunnah is against it and I have never seen one narration where the Prophet (saw) orders us to "Curse abu Lahab every morning" or "Curse Pharaoh thirty times daily for extra rewards."

Shia do it all the time for people who are incomparable to abu Lahab and Pharaoh and that is all against the Sunnah.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Hani

Re: Yazid
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2015, 07:37:27 PM »
I once cursed him in front of a Sunni Moroccan girl. She was like "why are you cursing my dad?"

#Awkward

Hahaha!! Man, in the Arab world many traditional names are popular, be careful.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

labelingtheory

Re: Yazid
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2015, 08:24:21 PM »
found an interesting page on this

https://www.facebook.com/AlMuhammadiyya?fref=nf

from what i understand Yazid had his flaws, but we don't curse him, because its quite depressing cursing someone all the time and making it part of ur religion.

Hmmm

Yeah because Allah never cursed Abu Lahab in the Qur'an right? Cursing is part of the sunnah of Allah and the Qur'an.

If Allah curses THAT IS ALLAH, but as for us it was the Prophet (saw) himself to told us to not be from those who constantly curse and speak foul language.

The Sunnah is against it and I have never seen one narration where the Prophet (saw) orders us to "Curse abu Lahab every morning" or "Curse Pharaoh thirty times daily for extra rewards."

Shia do it all the time for people who are incomparable to abu Lahab and Pharaoh and that is all against the Sunnah.

There is a difference between cursing and using foul language.

Secondly asking lana is asking Allah to remove his mercy from those people.

Thirdly, we only preform lana on people that are for sure going to hell (Yazid, mauwiya, etc).

Here in the Qur'an Allah talks about cursing for someone who murders another person.

If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him.
Al-Qur’an 4:93, translation by Yusufali


Hani

Re: Yazid
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2015, 08:38:41 PM »
You said: "There is a difference between cursing and using foul language." But the Hadith says to neither curse nor speak foul language.

examples:

[Salim ibn 'Abdullah said, "I never heard 'Abdullah ever curse anything." Salim mentioned that 'Abdullah ibn 'Umar said, "It is not fitting for a believer to be a curser."]

['Abdullah reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "A believer is not a defamer nor a curser nor coarse nor obscene."]

[Abu'd-Darda' reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Those who curse will be neither witnesses nor intercessors on the Day of Rising."]

[Abu Hurayra reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "The true believer must not be a curser."]

You said: "Thirdly, we only preform lana on people that are for sure going to hell (Yazid, mauwiya, etc)." I love this "etc" of yours.

You do not know for a fact anyone is going to hell, you do not know if YOU yourself are going to heaven so how arrogant of YOU to condemn others when you don't know your destination. Any person might have repented and forgiven by Allah and that is the Ghayb you do not know.

Then you quote this verse:

{If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him.}
Al-Qur’an 4:93, translation by Yusufali

So if Allah sent his curse on someone, this is a permission for you to start cursing specific individuals? Who ordered you to curse?

We know for a fact that certain individuals were cursed like Pharaoh and abu Lahab and the like, never did I recall Rasul-Allah (saw) ordering us to curse them. Even though we know for a FACT they're cursed.

If certain people get angry and curse, Allah will forgive them because they were in a moment of anger, just like Allah will excuse an angry person for using foul language, but no one was ordered to curse as a Sunnah.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

 

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