Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,
In my latest topic, as is the case always, I have Iceman trying his best to derail the discussion. While that isn't anything new, he went on a cut-paste rampage by blindly copy-pasting two articles from Al-Islam.org. Again, that isn't anything out of the norm; it is expected from him.
In the past, he would try to pass Shi'i sources as Sunni sources of authority but recently he pasted an article (found on Al-Islam.org) which is based on a pamphlet titled, "Yazid was never Amirul-Mu'minin" by some Abdilahi Nassir in Kenya. In this pamphlet, the author quotes a spurious narration a portion of which is found in Sahih Bukhari.
The author quotes the following narration from Sahih Bukhari:
"I heard the truthful and trusted by Allah (i.e., the Prophet ) saying, 'The destruction of my followers will be through the hands of young men from Quraish." However, he (the author) does not end it there. He claims that the narration is a lot longer and the remainder of it is left out by Sunnis, "advertently or inadvertently".
This is how Abdilahi Nassir reports it in his booklet:
In Tradition Number 180 on page 147 of Volume Nine, it is stated that: “Amr bin Yahya bin Said bin Amr bin Said said: ‘My grandfather narrated to me thus: I was in the company of Abu Hurayra and Marwan in the mosque of the Prophet (S) in Madina. Abu Hurayra then said: I heard the truthful and trusted by Allah (i.e. the Prophet (S)) saying, “The destruction of my followers will be through the hands of young men from Quraish.” Marwan retorted: ‘May the curse of Allah be on these youths.’ Abu Hurayra said: If I could, I would have named these youths, and their parentage.’ Accompanied by my grandfather, I went to Syria to meet the progeny of Marwan at the time when they were the rulers there. Whenever my grandfather saw that these rulers were young men, he would tell us: Probably, these are among them (those young men mentioned by the Prophet (S)), and we used to reply, saying, You know better than us’.”
Before quoting the explanations of the above mentioned Tradition, those working with the English version should note that it does not fully correspond with the original Arabic text. The translator has omitted the significant part of the Tradition, printed in italics above, in the English version -- advertently or inadvertently
As said earlier, Iceman has been found in the past to lie upon scholars and Sunni texts. However, this time he has quoted something that is a lie upon our book of Sunnah. If what Abdilahi Nassir has said is not true, meaning, the italicized text is not found in the Arabic version of Sahih Bukhari, it is clear that he is inserting his own lie into Sahih Bukhari, our authoritative book of Sunnah. For that, Iceman should be reprimanded (to have copy-pasted a lie without confirming it).
He stands in clear violation of the following rules: It is not allowed for a Shia to quote a large paragraph from a Shia propaganda website and expect people to refute it even though he made no effort in writing or researching it. A Shia can only link to such articles.
Links to Al-Islam.org articles (that Iceman blindly copy-pasted): https://www.al-islam.org/yazid-was-never-amirul-muminin-sheikh-abdillahi-nassir/what-sunni-scholars-have-saidhttps://www.al-islam.org/yazid-was-never-amirul-muminin-sheikh-abdillahi-nassir/what-prophet-s-said-regarding-yazidLink to Abdilahi Nassir's booklet:https://books.google.com/books?id=6qfYCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA18&lpg=PA18&dq=Amr+bin+Yahya+bin+Said+bin+Amr+bin+Said+said:+%E2%80%98My+grandfather+narrated+to+me+thus&source=bl&ots=bpQM5Bpr81&sig=n1D37CIfALuW_9hVzJbQ5kbag74&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi2-6KGyujbAhXL4IMKHTdzCSUQ6AEIJzAA#v=onepage&q=Amr%20bin%20Yahya%20bin%20Said%20bin%20Amr%20bin%20Said%20said%3A%20%E2%80%98My%20grandfather%20narrated%20to%20me%20thus&f=false[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
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