Virtues of the Sahabah

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Re: Virtues of the Sahabah
« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2016, 09:07:14 PM »
1)The muslims ran away except for the Prophet Muhammed s.a.a.w.w. and a few of his companions.
2)The narrator admits running away with the muslims who ran away (He is now with the group of muslims who fled).
3)Among the muslims who he ran away with, he saw omar ibn alkhattab.
4)The funny part he asked omar what is wrong with the people?
5)Omar said it was the order of Allah order of Allah (he lied and Allah’s s.w. curse is on liars)

The Muslims ran away you said? Does that include `Ali? Bring an authentic narration stating he never ran please.

The narrator admits to retreating, alright.

Your 3rd point is an assumption, he could have met `Umar while retreating but that doesn't mean `Umar was retreating.

`Umar said it's God's decree, this is an Arabic expression that seems too advanced for you to understand since you're an ignorant Hawzah boy. It's also God's decree that you will be banned for the 3rd time.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear


Re: Virtues of the Sahabah
« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2016, 12:32:45 AM »
Just because Musnad Ahmad isn't from Sihah as-Sittah doesn't mean that it doesn't have authentic narrations too. 


Re: Virtues of the Sahabah
« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2016, 12:47:37 AM »
The hadith in Bukhari doesn't specify Umar ran.  So the text there doesn't go into that detail.  IN Ahmad's report, it specifies that Umar DIDN'T run.  So they don't disagree, one hadith has a detail that the other doesn't.


Re: Virtues of the Sahabah
« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2016, 01:00:43 AM »
You just don't get it.  That doesn't specify that Umar ran.  The sahih hadith in Musnad Ahmad that says that he stayed because that hadith didn't go into that detail.  There is nothing in the Hadith that says that Abu Qatadah (narrator) found him amongst those who ran away, who's to say he didn't find him later?  Umar actually collected Ghanima from that battle:

Narrated Nafi: ‘Umar binAl-Khattab said, “O Allah’s Apostle! I vowed to observe Itikaf for one day during the Pre-lslamic period.” The Prophet ordered him to fulfill his vow. ‘Umar gained two lady captives from the war prisoners of hunain and he left them in some of the houses at Mecca. When Allah’s Apostle freed the captives of hunain without ransom, they came out-walking in the streets. ‘Umar said (to his son), “O Abdullah! See what is the matter.” ‘Abdullah replied, “Allah’s Apostle has freed the captives without ransom.” He said (to him), “Go and set free those two slave girls.” [Sahih al-Bukhari Book 53 Hadith 372].

How can that be if he ran away?  I shouldn't have to go through this with you, since we have a sahih hadith from Musnad Ahmad about this but this is just to get you to think.

Abu Muhammad

Re: Virtues of the Sahabah
« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2016, 03:02:45 AM »

Let me help you searching for that hadith:

Musnad Imam Ahmad (volume 23 page 274 Hadith #14731, sahih hadith):

حديث مرفوع حَدَّثَنَا يَعْقُوبُ , حَدَّثَنَا أَبِي , عَنِ ابْنِ إِسْحَاقَ , عَنْ عَاصِمِ بْنِ عُمَرَ بْنِ قَتَادَةَ , عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ جَابِرٍ , عَنْ جَابِرِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ فَانْطَلَقَ النَّاسُ إِلَّا أَنَّ مَعَ رَسُولِ اللهِ صَلَّىاللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ رَهْطًا مِنَ الْمُهَاجِرِينَ وَالْأَنْصَارِ، وَأَهْلِ بَيْتِهِغَيْرَ كَثِيرٍ، ثَبَتَ مَعَهُ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ أَبُو بَكْرٍ وَعُمَرُ، وَمِنْ أَهْلِ بَيْتِهِ، عَلِيُّ بْنُ أَبِي طَالِبٍ، وَالْعَبَّاسُ بْنُ عَبْدِ الْمُطَّلِبِ، وَابْنُهُ الْفَضْلُ بْنُ عَبَّاسٍ، وَأَبُو سُفْيَانَ بْنُ الْحَارِثِ، وَرَبِيعَةُبْنُ الْحَارِثِ، وَأَيْمَنُ بْنُ عُبَيْدٍ وَهُوَ ابْنُ أُمِّ أَيْمَنَ، وَأُسَامَةُبْنُ زَيْدٍ، قَالَ: وَرَجُلٌ مِنْ هَوَازِنَ عَلَى جَمَلٍ لَهُ أَحْمَرَ فِي يَدِهِرَايَةٌ لَهُ سَوْدَاءُ فِي رَأْسِ رُمْحٍ طَوِيلٍ لَهُ أَمَامَ النَّاسِ، وَهَوَازِنُخَلْفَهُ

Ya’qoub narrated from his Father from Ibn Ishaq from ‘Assim ibn ‘Umar bin Qatada from ‘Abdul-Rahman ibn Jabir from Jabir ibn ‘Abdullah: The people retreated but the Prophet SAWS was accompanied by a group from the Mouhajirun and the Ansar and his Ahlul-Bayt. Those who held their ground and stayed with him were Abu Bakr and ‘Umar and from his Ahlul-Bayt ‘Ali ibn Abi Talib and Al-‘Abbas bin ‘Abdul-Mutallib and his son Al-Fadl and Abu Suffiyan bin al-Harith and Raba’iyah bin Al-Harith and Ayman bin ‘Ubeid and he is ibn Umm-Ayman and Usamah ibn Zaid, he said: and a Man from Hawzan (until the end of the narration).

Awww let me break it down for you little baby, ahmad ibn hanbal is not one of the 6 main sunni books HAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!! Oh, and bukhari and muslims are the 2 most superior books after he Quran according to you HAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!! so much for the pathetic attempt!

Allahu Rabbi! I just start to wonder why am I discussing with you in the first place. That just show us the REAL level of knowledge you have.

A hadith is considered authentic as long as it meets the conditions of authenticity no matter in which book you find it.

Then you said,

I never said it doesn't have authentic narrations, it has LESS authentic narrations that bukhari and muslims which are superior. In this case since ahmad disagreed with bukhari which is one of the 2 books superior after he Quran according to you, Ahmad is wrong Bukhari is right.  ;D You are truley pathetic.

Less in the NUMBER of authectic hadiths in Musnad Imam Ahmad. Not the hadith itself become less authentic just because it is outside both Bukhari & Muslim. And in no way that both hadith CLEARLY contradicting each other.

Go and learn the proper methodology of Ahlus Sunnah before you start discussing any with Sunnis. It just looks bad on you, seriously.

May Allah guide us all to the truth.


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