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Kim Jong-Un

Officially Renouncing Shiism
« on: August 09, 2018, 07:50:57 PM »
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Salam alaykoum wa Rahmatullah Wa Barakatuhu

So after a lot of research and sleepless nights i finally renounced Shiism. It has been a hard path so bear with me on that .

I am originally from the Balkans , In Eastern/southern Europe and i was born a Christian but i never really believed in Trinity  so i started researching other religions including buddhism,judaism ,Islam , etc . I read a lot on all of them but it never really spoke to me until i met a Shia friend who introduced me to Shiism. He narrated the stories of Ali and Hussein and it touched me deeply and shiism was a viable option because it seemed to be less like the Islam of the Turks that they wanted to force on us . So i converted and became a really practicing Shia . I read Al Kafi , Kitab Sulaym Ibn Qays ( Shia books that most Shia layman never read ) , kitab at tawhid of Saduq etc . I was really convinced of my belief except one thing which always brought me doubts and that was the 12th Imam's occultation. I could never wrap my mind around it and it never made sense to my rational mind and Alhamdulilah this is the reason why ultimately it started the domino of all my shia beliefs falling one after the other . I stayed Shia for 4 years but in these 4 years i thought about leaving the religion a couple times because some things just made no sense but my supposed love for Hussein and Ahlul Bayt (RAA) made me stay . So for this ''love'' i made my brain accept every possible nonsense . If someone would have met me a couple months ago he would have found the biggest hater of Abu Bakr , Umar and Aisha . But i kept reading and contrary to most Shia ,i started using my aql instead of my emotions . I saw that there is no Isnad for most Shia Hadiths , including the most ''sahih ''book Al Kafi . The Incident of Umar burning Fatima Door is a weak narration ,as are most narrations Shias use against Sunnis . The most disgusting thing i read is the supposed mahdi coming and butchering innocent arabs and that he will avenge ahlul-bayt by ressurecting Abu Bakr,Umar and Aisha to make them suffer . This to me was indeed the confirmation that Shiism is influenced by Persian Zoroastrianism . BTW most Shias do not even know those narrations ,especially the Arabs .

There is so many issues i could quote like mutah, tatbir, Imams worship etc but apart from false narrations and persian influence in Shiism , the other thing that really bothered is that Shiism is stagnant.  what i mean by that is since the 12th imam is into ghayba , shias cannot do jihad, friday prayer or any obligation that supposedly takes the presence of an infaillible Imam to  fulfill. so we have no Quran since Tahrif is a belief attested by many shia ulama (Saduq,Kulayni , Al Majlissi ) and we have no Imam . Basically Islam according to Shiism is dead and all we can do is obey ''ayatollahs'' who can barely recite the Quran and speak arabic and give them 20% of our money . This made no sense to me and after a lot of stressful moments where i felt like my faith was shattered and that i was leaving Ahlul-Bayt i decided to follow my Aql and renounce superstitions and nonsense and finally embrace Original Islam as taught by RasoulAllah(SAWAS) and his Companions(RA) and Familly (RA) Alhamdulilah .

I am looking forward to discuss with other knowlegeable brothers about comparitive religion InshaAllah

Ps: I know shias on the forum will say that i am a salafi arab pretending to be an ex-shia but whatever , before i get accused of wahabism ,i am actually  a Sunni Shafi'i


Hadrami

Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2018, 01:35:41 AM »
wa alaykumusalam bro, which balkan country are you from? Ehy did you avoid "Turk" Islam in the beginning, did shia tell you sunni is a turk thing?

PS: shiaism spread in iran by safawi dynasty which started by turk dominated qizilbash
« Last Edit: August 11, 2018, 01:38:49 AM by Hadrami »

Qamar Farooq

Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2018, 03:35:06 AM »
Assalamualakum brother.

Welcome to the light. I have a humble request from you. Please do an episode on "The Sunni Defense" channel on youtube of your journey leaving shiaism. I know you described it here but an actual conversation is always better. I will be looking forward to it insahAllah

iceman

Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2018, 08:22:08 AM »
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Salam alaykoum wa Rahmatullah Wa Barakatuhu

So after a lot of research and sleepless nights i finally renounced Shiism. It has been a hard path so bear with me on that .

I am originally from the Balkans , In Eastern/southern Europe and i was born a Christian but i never really believed in Trinity  so i started researching other religions including buddhism,judaism ,Islam , etc . I read a lot on all of them but it never really spoke to me until i met a Shia friend who introduced me to Shiism. He narrated the stories of Ali and Hussein and it touched me deeply and shiism was a viable option because it seemed to be less like the Islam of the Turks that they wanted to force on us . So i converted and became a really practicing Shia . I read Al Kafi , Kitab Sulaym Ibn Qays ( Shia books that most Shia layman never read ) , kitab at tawhid of Saduq etc . I was really convinced of my belief except one thing which always brought me doubts and that was the 12th Imam's occultation. I could never wrap my mind around it and it never made sense to my rational mind and Alhamdulilah this is the reason why ultimately it started the domino of all my shia beliefs falling one after the other . I stayed Shia for 4 years but in these 4 years i thought about leaving the religion a couple times because some things just made no sense but my supposed love for Hussein and Ahlul Bayt (RAA) made me stay . So for this ''love'' i made my brain accept every possible nonsense . If someone would have met me a couple months ago he would have found the biggest hater of Abu Bakr , Umar and Aisha . But i kept reading and contrary to most Shia ,i started using my aql instead of my emotions . I saw that there is no Isnad for most Shia Hadiths , including the most ''sahih ''book Al Kafi . The Incident of Umar burning Fatima Door is a weak narration ,as are most narrations Shias use against Sunnis . The most disgusting thing i read is the supposed mahdi coming and butchering innocent arabs and that he will avenge ahlul-bayt by ressurecting Abu Bakr,Umar and Aisha to make them suffer . This to me was indeed the confirmation that Shiism is influenced by Persian Zoroastrianism . BTW most Shias do not even know those narrations ,especially the Arabs .

There is so many issues i could quote like mutah, tatbir, Imams worship etc but apart from false narrations and persian influence in Shiism , the other thing that really bothered is that Shiism is stagnant.  what i mean by that is since the 12th imam is into ghayba , shias cannot do jihad, friday prayer or any obligation that supposedly takes the presence of an infaillible Imam to  fulfill. so we have no Quran since Tahrif is a belief attested by many shia ulama (Saduq,Kulayni , Al Majlissi ) and we have no Imam . Basically Islam according to Shiism is dead and all we can do is obey ''ayatollahs'' who can barely recite the Quran and speak arabic and give them 20% of our money . This made no sense to me and after a lot of stressful moments where i felt like my faith was shattered and that i was leaving Ahlul-Bayt i decided to follow my Aql and renounce superstitions and nonsense and finally embrace Original Islam as taught by RasoulAllah(SAWAS) and his Companions(RA) and Familly (RA) Alhamdulilah .

I am looking forward to discuss with other knowlegeable brothers about comparitive religion InshaAllah

Ps: I know shias on the forum will say that i am a salafi arab pretending to be an ex-shia but whatever , before i get accused of wahabism ,i am actually  a Sunni Shafi'i

I've read your post, first of all let me congratulate you for renouncing Shiaism and also on finding your new faith. Now back to your post, I've read all the comments and points you've made and nothing is new or different. The same old excuses which I've read and heard before. Your story doesn't even make any sense to begin with. I will address and comment on every single bit of your post as I usually do with others just to put the record straight. I won't comment on only what suits me and ignore the rest like the others. So you bear with me.

Layla

Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2018, 08:25:46 AM »
I've read your post, first of all let me congratulate you for renouncing Shiaism and also on finding your new faith. Now back to your post, I've read all the comments and points you've made and nothing is new or different. The same old excuses which I've read and heard before. Your story doesn't even make any sense to begin with. I will address and comment on every single bit of your post as I usually do with others just to put the record straight. I won't comment on only what suits me and ignore the rest like the others. So you bear with me.
Which part of his story didn't make sense? Do you think Shias can't leave Shiism?

iceman

Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2018, 09:10:57 AM »
Which part of his story didn't make sense? Do you think Shias can't leave Shiism?

Its not about leaving but about the story and the reasons given in that story. Let me address it.

iceman

Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2018, 11:32:30 AM »
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Salam alaykoum wa Rahmatullah Wa Barakatuhu

So after a lot of research and sleepless nights i finally renounced Shiism. It has been a hard path so bear with me on that .

I am originally from the Balkans , In Eastern/southern Europe and i was born a Christian but i never really believed in Trinity  so i started researching other religions including buddhism,judaism ,Islam , etc . I read a lot on all of them but it never really spoke to me until i met a Shia friend who introduced me to Shiism. He narrated the stories of Ali and Hussein and it touched me deeply and shiism was a viable option because it seemed to be less like the Islam of the Turks that they wanted to force on us . So i converted and became a really practicing Shia . I read Al Kafi , Kitab Sulaym Ibn Qays ( Shia books that most Shia layman never read ) , kitab at tawhid of Saduq etc . I was really convinced of my belief except one thing which always brought me doubts and that was the 12th Imam's occultation. I could never wrap my mind around it and it never made sense to my rational mind and Alhamdulilah this is the reason why ultimately it started the domino of all my shia beliefs falling one after the other . I stayed Shia for 4 years but in these 4 years i thought about leaving the religion a couple times because some things just made no sense but my supposed love for Hussein and Ahlul Bayt (RAA) made me stay . So for this ''love'' i made my brain accept every possible nonsense . If someone would have met me a couple months ago he would have found the biggest hater of Abu Bakr , Umar and Aisha . But i kept reading and contrary to most Shia ,i started using my aql instead of my emotions . I saw that there is no Isnad for most Shia Hadiths , including the most ''sahih ''book Al Kafi . The Incident of Umar burning Fatima Door is a weak narration ,as are most narrations Shias use against Sunnis . The most disgusting thing i read is the supposed mahdi coming and butchering innocent arabs and that he will avenge ahlul-bayt by ressurecting Abu Bakr,Umar and Aisha to make them suffer . This to me was indeed the confirmation that Shiism is influenced by Persian Zoroastrianism . BTW most Shias do not even know those narrations ,especially the Arabs .

There is so many issues i could quote like mutah, tatbir, Imams worship etc but apart from false narrations and persian influence in Shiism , the other thing that really bothered is that Shiism is stagnant.  what i mean by that is since the 12th imam is into ghayba , shias cannot do jihad, friday prayer or any obligation that supposedly takes the presence of an infaillible Imam to  fulfill. so we have no Quran since Tahrif is a belief attested by many shia ulama (Saduq,Kulayni , Al Majlissi ) and we have no Imam . Basically Islam according to Shiism is dead and all we can do is obey ''ayatollahs'' who can barely recite the Quran and speak arabic and give them 20% of our money . This made no sense to me and after a lot of stressful moments where i felt like my faith was shattered and that i was leaving Ahlul-Bayt i decided to follow my Aql and renounce superstitions and nonsense and finally embrace Original Islam as taught by RasoulAllah(SAWAS) and his Companions(RA) and Familly (RA) Alhamdulilah .

I am looking forward to discuss with other knowlegeable brothers about comparitive religion InshaAllah

Ps: I know shias on the forum will say that i am a salafi arab pretending to be an ex-shia but whatever , before i get accused of wahabism ,i am actually  a Sunni Shafi'i

"So after a lot of research and sleepless nights i finally renounced Shiism. It has been a hard path so bear with me on that"

Aren't you suppose to look into things before you get involved, or at least get some general understanding about it ? I want you to bear with me as well 😊

"i was born a Christian but i never really believed in Trinity"

Why? Was it also because of a lot of research and sleepless nights?

"so i started researching other religions including buddhism,judaism ,Islam , etc . I read a lot on all of them but it never really spoke to me until i met a Shia friend who introduced me to Shiism"

This is interesting. So you started to research other religions INCLUDING ISLAM and you read A LOT on them but it never really spoke to you until you met a SHIA FRIEND? Wow! When it came to Islam what did you actually read? Other religions as well as the entire world knows that Islam boils down to generally Shia and Sunni. So if you belong to another religion and you want to get to know a bit about Islam then what made you look into the minority (Shia) only where as the majority is Sunni?

"shiism was a viable option because it seemed to be less like the Islam of the Turks that they wanted to force on us"

Islam today has many faces and we need to thank Caliphate for that but that's a different subject for some other time. Sunni Islam also has many faces such has Alqaidah, Talibaan, ISIS or ISIL etc the list goes on. These are the extremists but you also have the moderate. I will address the other important things you've raised.

Kim Jong-Un

Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2018, 12:01:35 PM »
I've read your post, first of all let me congratulate you for renouncing Shiaism and also on finding your new faith. Now back to your post, I've read all the comments and points you've made and nothing is new or different. The same ol
d excuses which I've read and heard before. Your story doesn't even make any sense to begin with. I will address and comment on every single bit of your post as I usually do with others just to put the record straight. I won't comment on only what suits me and ignore the rest like the others. So you bear with me.

Of course it dosen't make sense to you because since Shiism is mostly a cultural expression of all the paganistic traditions of the east you feel like leaving shiism is also leaving "your culture" . I knew some random dude would try to "expose me " lol but  you are not your friends from bayat al ghadeer and i am not some random sunni so you can't fool me. I know more on Shiism than most shias do . And i know you are mad and sad but accept it shias are between 7-11% of the muslim population and it will never go beyond . Even in khamenei ruled Iran , Iranians are leaving religion in droves and come to Sunnah or become atheists and christians . Funny how ex muslims  christians are mostly Shias since it's easier to embrace trinity when you already worship 12 deities . Most new muslims become Sunni so what is your point ?

I just think that hitting yourself too much with swords has affected you

iceman

Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2018, 12:54:54 PM »
Of course it dosen't make sense to you because since Shiism is mostly a cultural expression of all the paganistic traditions of the east you feel like leaving shiism is also leaving "your culture" . I knew some random dude would try to "expose me " lol but  you are not your friends from bayat al ghadeer and i am not some random sunni so you can't fool me. I know more on Shiism than most shias do . And i know you are mad and sad but accept it shias are between 7-11% of the muslim population and it will never go beyond . Even in khamenei ruled Iran , Iranians are leaving religion in droves and come to Sunnah or become atheists and christians . Funny how ex muslims  christians are mostly Shias since it's easier to embrace trinity when you already worship 12 deities . Most new muslims become Sunni so what is your point ?

I just think that hitting yourself too much with swords has affected you

Your latest rants now tell me that I was right. You've exposed yourself with your rants on Shiaism and against Shias. These rants only come from someone who holds a personal grudge from day one and is raised that way. I am no random dude and you are no convert. I accept that Shias might be between 7 to 11 % but this is exactly what surprises me that you did a lot of research on other religions including Islam, which percentage was that research based on 😊 Rather than answering and addressing you came out with personal attacks and rants and that most definitely exposed you.

You know more on Shiaism then most Shias do, well I've certainly heard that one before. 😀 How much research have you done about the sect and belief you are on now? How well have you looked into where you've ended up 😊 I'm not mad and sad at all. What makes you think I am. As far as I'm concerned you can end up where ever you want. It doesn't bother me because you still are what you are from day one and that is an anti Shia. Your opening post told me that and your response has just proven it. Want to discuss what you know more than others. I don't thinkyou will. You're one of those who rants and raves and that's just about it.😊

iceman

Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2018, 01:29:45 PM »
Of course it dosen't make sense to you because since Shiism is mostly a cultural expression of all the paganistic traditions of the east you feel like leaving shiism is also leaving "your culture" . I knew some random dude would try to "expose me " lol but  you are not your friends from bayat al ghadeer and i am not some random sunni so you can't fool me. I know more on Shiism than most shias do . And i know you are mad and sad but accept it shias are between 7-11% of the muslim population and it will never go beyond . Even in khamenei ruled Iran , Iranians are leaving religion in droves and come to Sunnah or become atheists and christians . Funny how ex muslims  christians are mostly Shias since it's easier to embrace trinity when you already worship 12 deities . Most new muslims become Sunni so what is your point ?

I just think that hitting yourself too much with swords has affected you

"Most new muslims become Sunni so what is your point ?"

Ok, you try and leave the rants and raves out and I will in return work along with you. Lets see if you can do better than the person who got in touch with me in private and wanted to do Dawah. He didn't last very long. In fact he couldn’t do Dawah at all. He just disappeared.

So you know more about Shiaism than the ones who have been born and raised, right. OK. I'm going to take you up on this. Now you've finally found the true path. Shiaism is wrong and Shias are full of crap. I've heard a lot on and about them. Now tell me about this newly found faith of yours. Lets hear it. 😊

iceman

Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2018, 03:09:51 PM »
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Salam alaykoum wa Rahmatullah Wa Barakatuhu

So after a lot of research and sleepless nights i finally renounced Shiism. It has been a hard path so bear with me on that .

I am originally from the Balkans , In Eastern/southern Europe and i was born a Christian but i never really believed in Trinity  so i started researching other religions including buddhism,judaism ,Islam , etc . I read a lot on all of them but it never really spoke to me until i met a Shia friend who introduced me to Shiism. He narrated the stories of Ali and Hussein and it touched me deeply and shiism was a viable option because it seemed to be less like the Islam of the Turks that they wanted to force on us . So i converted and became a really practicing Shia . I read Al Kafi , Kitab Sulaym Ibn Qays ( Shia books that most Shia layman never read ) , kitab at tawhid of Saduq etc . I was really convinced of my belief except one thing which always brought me doubts and that was the 12th Imam's occultation. I could never wrap my mind around it and it never made sense to my rational mind and Alhamdulilah this is the reason why ultimately it started the domino of all my shia beliefs falling one after the other . I stayed Shia for 4 years but in these 4 years i thought about leaving the religion a couple times because some things just made no sense but my supposed love for Hussein and Ahlul Bayt (RAA) made me stay . So for this ''love'' i made my brain accept every possible nonsense . If someone would have met me a couple months ago he would have found the biggest hater of Abu Bakr , Umar and Aisha . But i kept reading and contrary to most Shia ,i started using my aql instead of my emotions . I saw that there is no Isnad for most Shia Hadiths , including the most ''sahih ''book Al Kafi . The Incident of Umar burning Fatima Door is a weak narration ,as are most narrations Shias use against Sunnis . The most disgusting thing i read is the supposed mahdi coming and butchering innocent arabs and that he will avenge ahlul-bayt by ressurecting Abu Bakr,Umar and Aisha to make them suffer . This to me was indeed the confirmation that Shiism is influenced by Persian Zoroastrianism . BTW most Shias do not even know those narrations ,especially the Arabs .

There is so many issues i could quote like mutah, tatbir, Imams worship etc but apart from false narrations and persian influence in Shiism , the other thing that really bothered is that Shiism is stagnant.  what i mean by that is since the 12th imam is into ghayba , shias cannot do jihad, friday prayer or any obligation that supposedly takes the presence of an infaillible Imam to  fulfill. so we have no Quran since Tahrif is a belief attested by many shia ulama (Saduq,Kulayni , Al Majlissi ) and we have no Imam . Basically Islam according to Shiism is dead and all we can do is obey ''ayatollahs'' who can barely recite the Quran and speak arabic and give them 20% of our money . This made no sense to me and after a lot of stressful moments where i felt like my faith was shattered and that i was leaving Ahlul-Bayt i decided to follow my Aql and renounce superstitions and nonsense and finally embrace Original Islam as taught by RasoulAllah(SAWAS) and his Companions(RA) and Familly (RA) Alhamdulilah .

I am looking forward to discuss with other knowlegeable brothers about comparitive religion InshaAllah

Ps: I know shias on the forum will say that i am a salafi arab pretending to be an ex-shia but whatever , before i get accused of wahabism ,i am actually  a Sunni Shafi'i

"i thought about leaving the religion a couple times because some things just made no sense"

Ok, you can tell me about these things that made no sense in your own time.

"my supposed love for Hussein and Ahlul Bayt (RAA) made me stay"

You don't have to be a Shia to love Hussain and Ahlul Bayt. A lot of Sunnis do as well. And some non Muslims also recognise them.

iceman

Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2018, 04:48:21 PM »
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Salam alaykoum wa Rahmatullah Wa Barakatuhu

So after a lot of research and sleepless nights i finally renounced Shiism. It has been a hard path so bear with me on that .

I am originally from the Balkans , In Eastern/southern Europe and i was born a Christian but i never really believed in Trinity  so i started researching other religions including buddhism,judaism ,Islam , etc . I read a lot on all of them but it never really spoke to me until i met a Shia friend who introduced me to Shiism. He narrated the stories of Ali and Hussein and it touched me deeply and shiism was a viable option because it seemed to be less like the Islam of the Turks that they wanted to force on us . So i converted and became a really practicing Shia . I read Al Kafi , Kitab Sulaym Ibn Qays ( Shia books that most Shia layman never read ) , kitab at tawhid of Saduq etc . I was really convinced of my belief except one thing which always brought me doubts and that was the 12th Imam's occultation. I could never wrap my mind around it and it never made sense to my rational mind and Alhamdulilah this is the reason why ultimately it started the domino of all my shia beliefs falling one after the other . I stayed Shia for 4 years but in these 4 years i thought about leaving the religion a couple times because some things just made no sense but my supposed love for Hussein and Ahlul Bayt (RAA) made me stay . So for this ''love'' i made my brain accept every possible nonsense . If someone would have met me a couple months ago he would have found the biggest hater of Abu Bakr , Umar and Aisha . But i kept reading and contrary to most Shia ,i started using my aql instead of my emotions . I saw that there is no Isnad for most Shia Hadiths , including the most ''sahih ''book Al Kafi . The Incident of Umar burning Fatima Door is a weak narration ,as are most narrations Shias use against Sunnis . The most disgusting thing i read is the supposed mahdi coming and butchering innocent arabs and that he will avenge ahlul-bayt by ressurecting Abu Bakr,Umar and Aisha to make them suffer . This to me was indeed the confirmation that Shiism is influenced by Persian Zoroastrianism . BTW most Shias do not even know those narrations ,especially the Arabs .

There is so many issues i could quote like mutah, tatbir, Imams worship etc but apart from false narrations and persian influence in Shiism , the other thing that really bothered is that Shiism is stagnant.  what i mean by that is since the 12th imam is into ghayba , shias cannot do jihad, friday prayer or any obligation that supposedly takes the presence of an infaillible Imam to  fulfill. so we have no Quran since Tahrif is a belief attested by many shia ulama (Saduq,Kulayni , Al Majlissi ) and we have no Imam . Basically Islam according to Shiism is dead and all we can do is obey ''ayatollahs'' who can barely recite the Quran and speak arabic and give them 20% of our money . This made no sense to me and after a lot of stressful moments where i felt like my faith was shattered and that i was leaving Ahlul-Bayt i decided to follow my Aql and renounce superstitions and nonsense and finally embrace Original Islam as taught by RasoulAllah(SAWAS) and his Companions(RA) and Familly (RA) Alhamdulilah .

I am looking forward to discuss with other knowlegeable brothers about comparitive religion InshaAllah

Ps: I know shias on the forum will say that i am a salafi arab pretending to be an ex-shia but whatever , before i get accused of wahabism ,i am actually  a Sunni Shafi'i

"someone would have met me a couple months ago he would have found the biggest hater of Abu Bakr , Umar and Aisha:

So what happened to the hatred, and why was the hatred to begin with? I am Shia and I don't hate them. You don't have to hate to be a Shia.

"I started using my aql instead of my emotions"

No offence but shouldn't you have used your aql right from the very start? I've been using mine from day one 😊

You did mention that you studied Islam but it didn't appeal to you until you met a Shia. Why didn't it appeal to you before meeting and engaging with a Shia?

"The Incident of Umar burning Fatima Door is a weak narration ,as are most narrations Shias use against Sunnis"

That's fine. If you find and consider it to be weak then don't accept and believe in it.  You don't have to believe in it to be and remain a Shia. It's that simple. We don't use anything against anyone. Let me make this clear. We only use to prove our point to some extent just as others do. We exercise our right just as the Sunnis and others do. There's no force in acceptance.

iceman

Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2018, 05:05:05 PM »
someone would have met me a couple months ago he would have found the biggest hater of Abu Bakr , Umar and Aisha:

So what happened to the hatred, and why was the hatred to begin with? I am Shia and I don't hate them. You don't have to hate to be a Shia.

"I started using my aql instead of my emotions"

No offence but shouldn't you have used your aql right from the very start? I've been using mine from day one 😊

You did mention that you studied Islam but it didn't appeal to you until you met a Shia. Why didn't it appeal to you before meeting and engaging with a Shia?

"The Incident of Umar burning Fatima Door is a weak narration ,as are most narrations Shias use against Sunnis"

That's fine. If you find and consider it to be weak then don't accept and believe in it.  You don't have to believe in it to be and remain a Shia. It's that simple. We don't use anything against anyone. Let me make this clear. We only use to prove our point to some extent just as others do. We exercise our right just as the Sunnis and others do. There's no force in acceptance.

"The most disgusting thing i read is the supposed mahdi coming and butchering innocent arabs and that he will avenge ahlul-bayt by ressurecting Abu Bakr,Umar and Aisha to make them suffer"

Once again don't believe in every single thing that is written or you find in books. The Sunnis don't believe in every single thing even in those books which they consider and label reliable and authentic.

"There is so many issues i could quote like mutah, tatbir, Imams worship etc but"

There isn't and shouldn't be any ifs or buts. If you're not sure, you ask and question, not make your own assumptions.

There is no Tehreef, we believe in the Qur'an exactly the way you do.

"Basically Islam according to Shiism is dead and all we can do is obey ''ayatollahs'' who can barely recite the Quran and speak arabic"

Islam isn't dead according to Shiaism. I don't know where you got that from since we believe in divine leadership to begin with. And I don't know which Ayatollahs or Shia Mullahs you've been following and know.

"and finally embrace Original Islam as taught by RasoulAllah(SAWAS) and his Companions(RA) and Familly (RA)"

Please do enlighten me about this ORIGINAL ISLAM that you have finally found and embraced.

Layla

Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2018, 09:00:49 PM »
Your latest rants now tell me that I was right. You've exposed yourself with your rants on Shiaism and against Shias. These rants only come from someone who holds a personal grudge from day one and is raised that way. I am no random dude and you are no convert. I accept that Shias might be between 7 to 11 % but this is exactly what surprises me that you did a lot of research on other religions including Islam, which percentage was that research based on 😊 Rather than answering and addressing you came out with personal attacks and rants and that most definitely exposed you.

You know more on Shiaism then most Shias do, well I've certainly heard that one before. 😀 How much research have you done about the sect and belief you are on now? How well have you looked into where you've ended up 😊 I'm not mad and sad at all. What makes you think I am. As far as I'm concerned you can end up where ever you want. It doesn't bother me because you still are what you are from day one and that is an anti Shia. Your opening post told me that and your response has just proven it. Want to discuss what you know more than others. I don't thinkyou will. You're one of those who rants and raves and that's just about it.😊
The only one ranting is you. You have no proof that he was never a Shia. You just can't accept the fact that he left Shiism.

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Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2018, 09:47:10 PM »
So what happened to the hatred, and why was the hatred to begin with? I am Shia and I don't hate them. You don't have to hate to be a Shia.

He is not talking about your personal views. Rather he means the Twelver Imami Shia sect which is based on hate, slander and takfir of great righteous men like Abubakr & Omar.
در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

عطار نِیشابوری

www.Nahjul-Balagha.net | www.TwelverShia.net | www.ghadirkhumm.com

iceman

Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2018, 10:20:36 PM »
The only one ranting is you. You have no proof that he was never a Shia. You just can't accept the fact that he left Shiism.

Read my response and the points I have made addressing his without being prejudice then you will be able to see clearly. 😊 As far as he left this and embraced that, I couldn't care less. Because it's got nothing to do with me. 😊Only responding to what I see as propaganda 😊 And if it isn't then I'm sure he will have it out with me in a positive manner by answering and addressing 😊
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Kim Jong-Un

Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2018, 01:24:47 AM »
Lol brothers and sisters let this pathetic beta male with mental issues rant

InshaAllah like the brother above mentionned i will make a video on the sunni defense channel people will be able to see that i look like a typical slavic /eastern european

Abu Muhammad

Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2018, 01:29:25 AM »
Read my response and the points I have made addressing his without being prejudice then you will be able to see clearly. 😊 As far as he left this and embraced that, I couldn't care less. Because it's got nothing to do with me. 😊Only responding to what I see as propaganda 😊 And if it isn't then I'm sure he will have it out with me in a positive manner by answering and addressing 😊

Points you've made addressing his?

In all 5 of your responded posts so far, they are just generic & cheap points. Equivalent to ranting.

In fact, you posed more questions than your so-called points... 😂😂😂

Layla

Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2018, 03:05:13 AM »
Read my response and the points I have made addressing his without being prejudice then you will be able to see clearly. 😊 As far as he left this and embraced that, I couldn't care less. Because it's got nothing to do with me. 😊Only responding to what I see as propaganda 😊 And if it isn't then I'm sure he will have it out with me in a positive manner by answering and addressing 😊
I can clearly see that you're emotional Shia who can't accept Shias using their sense and leaving Shiism. For you being a Shia is more of a cult/cultural thing.
You should start using your brain instead of going on emotional rants.

iceman

Re: Officially Renouncing Shiism
« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2018, 07:49:05 AM »
I can clearly see that you're emotional Shia who can't accept Shias using their sense and leaving Shiism. For you being a Shia is more of a cult/cultural thing.
You should start using your brain instead of going on emotional rants.

Either join in to answer my questions and address my points, engage in a positive and constructive discussion or stay quite and stop trying to divert attention. Me asking questions and making points results in me being emotional, why? Where do you see the emotions?

 

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