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Fruits of your labour

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Adil

Fruits of your labour
« on: August 24, 2019, 12:11:32 PM »

Abu Muhammad

Re: Fruits of your labour
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2019, 02:53:35 PM »

Shia not Rafidi

Re: Fruits of your labour
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2019, 04:01:24 AM »
He's a 15 years old lad and it's most likely he got confused by the things he don't have much idea about.. it's natural i think
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muslim720

Re: Fruits of your labour
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2019, 01:33:56 PM »
Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,

I cannot believe how helpless these Shias are!

The brother opened his post by saying, "So many things such as the building of shrines above the graves of the Imams never made sense to me and people calling out Imam Ali and not Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is reminiscent of what Christians do as in calling out Isa."

How do they address his concern? 

Literally, 8 posts later, "Guest FunnyJoker" - I am hoping this is a joke or he is a troll - says the following:
"Ask for  help from Imam Ali ((عليه السلام)) and pray for yourself in Namaz.

And I'll also pray for you and ask for help from Imam Ali ((عليه السلام))."

The brother says asking Imam Ali (ra) for anything does not sit well with logic and this clown asks him to continue on with that which does not make sense.  Ajeeb!
"Our coward ran from those in authority" - Iceman (admitting the truth regarding his 12th Imam)

Adil

Re: Fruits of your labour
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2019, 05:01:45 PM »
He's a 15 years old lad and it's most likely he got confused by the things he don't have much idea about.. it's natural i think

He's young but he sees the glaring problems with shiaism. They're actually quite common sense things to other Muslims.

Adil

Re: Fruits of your labour
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2019, 05:10:53 PM »
Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,

I cannot believe how helpless these Shias are!

The brother opened his post by saying, "So many things such as the building of shrines above the graves of the Imams never made sense to me and people calling out Imam Ali and not Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is reminiscent of what Christians do as in calling out Isa."

How do they address his concern? 

Literally, 8 posts later, "Guest FunnyJoker" - I am hoping this is a joke or he is a troll - says the following:
"Ask for  help from Imam Ali ((عليه السلام)) and pray for yourself in Namaz.

And I'll also pray for you and ask for help from Imam Ali ((عليه السلام))."

The brother says asking Imam Ali (ra) for anything does not sit well with logic and this clown asks him to continue on with that which does not make sense.  Ajeeb!

Wa'alaykumasalaam, I didn't even scroll that far down. Seems realistic tbh but then the name is open to trolling as you said.

muslim720

Re: Fruits of your labour
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2019, 12:00:38 PM »
A compilation of other desperate responses:

"Don't think by jumping ship to the other side that you'll find hadiths that are full of clarity and reliable chains and narrations."  Yeah but we have far more authentic reports that go directly to the Holy Prophet (saw).

"All the things you seem to have an issue with is just Islamic, not particularly Shia.  So perhaps you have an issue with Islam?  Wahabi propaganda make such videos and calls veneration of the sacred shrines and tombs as shirk and 'bida'".  Really?  Why is it that Shias can cry "Wahabi" but not show us one Sunni scholar captured on video spewing the same type of kufr?  Why is it that Anti-Majoos, metaphorically speaking, always catches Shi'i scholars with their pants down?

"Okay but Umar & Abu Bakr have graves right next to the Prophet so the Green dome is on top of them as well. So if these tombs are “bidah” than we shall also knock down the ones on top of them as well."  Someone please explain to this dimwit that the house of Aisha (ra), where the Holy Prophet (saw) was buried, was included in Masjid Nabawi as a result of expanding the mosque.

"These will help you understand matters like Ghadir on a deeper level and counter the arguments often given by the adversaries. Remember, those deviant groups are what lead to al-Shabab, ISIS etc - sad but true"  I have a very different view on Event of Ghadeer and I am not part of any such deviant groups.  This is such a poor case for causation.

"We are calling Imam Ali for help its a part of faith bcoz our Prophet had called Imam Ali ((عليه السلام)) for help."  I won't even dignify this with a response.  If we go by calling on those whom the Holy Prophet (saw) called upon for help, we would have a list getting through which would take hours.

"Shia Islam in Iran spread because of Imam Reza (عليه السلام) and not because of Safavid. However, Sunni Islam lost its appeal in Iran when Imam Mehdi disproved the claims of our Sunni brothers so iranians left Sunni Islam."  When did Imam Mahdi (ra) disprove Sunnis?  How can you disprove anything without being present?

"One researched Shia book has more hadith then all the combined Sunni ahadith books."  Who said anything about quantity?

"I have a great sympathy for you who is only 15 year old and in such a situation. When I was 16 year old and were first time interested about Islam, I had no idea about Shia or Sunni, so most of my research came from Sunni sources when I'm actually born Shia. After reading some months from Sunni sources, I came to realize about tatbir, and I was very shock that I almost leave Shia'ism together. But Alhamdulillah I could not leave it because it was absurd to leave something based on some other people actions or lack of knowledge. So I started to seek knowledge about Shia Islam and that is how you can resolve your matter. To seek more and more knowledge and understanding before come to any hasty conclusion."  Purely anecdotal!  You would think someone who steered himself towards the light would have directions.  Instead, he has some fluffy statements with no weight.

"Why do you think they destroyed others but couldn't destroy his (sawas)? Because they failed; and Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) punished the one who went on the green dome; they say that lightning struck him and he turned into stone. After that happened, they no longer touched the grave of our beloved Messenger (sawas)."  Leaving aside the veracity of this story, I want to see this stone which used to be a human.

"The how part...Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) asked us to be in the right path...Qur'an and Ahlul Bayt.  They will show us the right path and how to worship and to ask help from Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)."  That "dot dot dot" bit translated to English would read, "extrapolation".  By the way, a fine display of circular logic.

"The biographical evaluation or Ilm al-Rijal of sunnism is not based upon a revelation of Allah but a 'science' or methodology coloured by the political environment of that time as well. Far from neutral as I would say.  Because it is a science based on human opinions and perceptions Twelver Shia's are bold enough to say that a hadith is never unquestionable and authentic and the Matn plus the conformity of Qur'an is decisive for its evaluation."  Of course it is a science and it is so vital that Shias had to copy it from us and not even a "thank you".
"Our coward ran from those in authority" - Iceman (admitting the truth regarding his 12th Imam)