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Abdullah Efendi

Some thoughts on current situation
« on: October 13, 2015, 03:28:57 AM »
as-Salam Alaikum.

We have a Muslim president that is praying. Yes he holds his hands opened. Yes we ruled by democracy.

I see Syria, Libya. I see what happens to nations that thought that they can easily remove injustice from society by using power.

If any jihadi or democracy opposition will try to throw a stone towards peace in our society, he will find me in front of him.

How quick we forgot words of our salaf: Better to live years, decades under oppression, rather one day without ruler.

People tried to remove Bashar. What did they gain?

1) Their country ruined.
2) Their children, elderly people killed.
3) Their wifes were abused.



« Last Edit: October 13, 2015, 03:31:23 AM by Abdullah Efendi »

Hani

Re: Some thoughts on current situation
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2015, 05:56:25 AM »
Yes, but now that it happened we can't cheer for a mass murderer.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Farid

Re: Some thoughts on current situation
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2015, 06:10:23 AM »
The Syrians didn't see this outcome. If they did they did then they wouldn't have revolted, and scholars wouldn't have cheered them on.

Everyone expected another Tunis, in which the president walks away after some pressure.

Hadrami

Re: Some thoughts on current situation
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2015, 07:12:34 AM »
i dont think anyone would do or encourage it if they knew bashar would have outdone his dad in massacring his own people.

Didnt imam abu hanifa supported the revolt against a muslim khalifa who governed by the law of the religion (not secular law like it is now)? So some salaf differ on this issue.

Husayn

Re: Some thoughts on current situation
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2015, 08:58:49 AM »
What was happening was worse than simply living under oppression, though.

There was an active Iranian agenda in Syria to make Rafidism mainstream.

They built a Rafidi shrine in Raqqa of all places - spent untold millions on it, and made it a place of pilgramige for Rafidi tourists.

See here: http://martinkramer.org/sandbox/tag/raqqa/

So the Syrian uprising simply upset these plans and demonstrated to everyone what the reality was.
إن يتبعون إلا الظن وما تهوى الأنفس

Abdullah Efendi

Re: Some thoughts on current situation
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2015, 10:59:51 AM »
From what I remember Bashar's daddy was also some kind of mass murderer. You should not wait that his son will be some kind of angel.

Let it be Tunis, Libya or Syria. It is better to make hijra from country where you can not practice your religion rather making war on government.

Here we also have shia temples. So what? Make your own dawah, so people will understand what is good and what is wrong.

And now.... Whom should we support by our hearts in Syria? Butchers from ISIS? Jabhatul Nusra? Jaishul Sham?

Who can bring peace to that land? From my understanding better to live under Bashar rather under lunatics from ISIS.



« Last Edit: October 13, 2015, 11:40:59 AM by Abdullah Efendi »

Hani

Re: Some thoughts on current situation
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2015, 08:07:22 PM »
By the way,you couldn't even walk in the street with a Qur'an in hand during Bashar's time, it's illegal. His regime had a lot of meaninglessly evil restrictions like this one.

Syrians would have toppled Bashar's regime in 3 months, what they did not expect was the direct interference of the Iranian militias from Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan in addition to the Iranian revolutionary guard and now freaking Russia. Bashar was losing so badly that he needed all of this to stay in control of 17% of Syrian land.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Khaled

Re: Some thoughts on current situation
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2015, 12:22:38 AM »
Truth be told, this was all very obvious from the beginning.  I remember not speaking out about it because I literally lost friends over speaking about against what happened in Egypt and Libya.

Revolutions almost never work; even the American revolution wasn't a revolution per se
كلُّ سُلامى من الناس عليه صدقة كلَّ يوم تطلع فيه الشمس، تَعدلُ بين اثنين صدقة، وتعين الرَّجل في دابَّته فتحمله عليها أو ترفع له عليها متاعَه صدقة، والكلمةُ الطيِّبة صدقة، وبكلِّ خطوة تَمشيها إلى الصلاة صدقة، وتُميط الأذى عن الطريق صدقة

Hadrami

Re: Some thoughts on current situation
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2015, 02:18:18 AM »
From what I remember Bashar's daddy was also some kind of mass murderer. You should not wait that his son will be some kind of angel.

Let it be Tunis, Libya or Syria. It is better to make hijra from country where you can not practice your religion rather making war on government.

Here we also have shia temples. So what? Make your own dawah, so people will understand what is good and what is wrong.

And now.... Whom should we support by our hearts in Syria? Butchers from ISIS? Jabhatul Nusra? Jaishul Sham?

Who can bring peace to that land? From my understanding better to live under Bashar rather under lunatics from ISIS.


From what I understand, even majority Sunni iraqis who hate ISIS & such groups to their guts would rather live under them than shia regima & their militias. It's a case of the lesser evil for them. There was a clip where a Sunni mayor whose relatives was killed by alqaida even said hed rather have them & ISIS win than shias and also where a sunni mufti asked why they should fight ISIS knowing what shia militia have done and gonna do to them etc. That's how desperate the situation are. So less than a decade under shia rule is more than enough for Sunni. Same thing probably in syria. Good that your country has peace, but each country is different.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2015, 02:24:35 AM by Hadrami »

Husayn

Re: Some thoughts on current situation
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2015, 02:39:29 AM »
Iran views Syria as a colony, ripe for conversion:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/syria-leader-assad-seeks-russian-protection-from-ally-iran-a-1056263.html

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It is, however, primarily in the civilian sector where significant changes are afoot. Just as in Damascus, Latakia and Jabla, increasing numbers of hosseiniehs -- Shiite religious teaching centers -- are opening. The centers are aimed at converting Sunnis, and even the Alawites, the denomination to which the Assads belong, to "correct" Shiite Islam by way of sermons and stipends. In addition, the government decreed one year ago that state-run religion schools were to teach Shiite material.

All of this is taking place to the consternation of the Alawites, who have begun to voice their displeasure. "They are throwing us back a thousand years. We don't even wear headscarves and we aren't Shiites," Alawites complained on the Jableh News Facebook page. There were also grumblings when a Shiite mosque opened in Latakia and an imam there announced: "We don't need you. We need your children and grandchildren."

In addition, Iranian emissaries, either directly or via middlemen, have been buying land and buildings in Damascus, including almost the entire former Jewish quarter, and trying to settle Shiites from other countries there.

It seems that even the 'Alawis are concerned.

This article speaks about Iran's arrogance and attempts to convert people to Rafidism.
إن يتبعون إلا الظن وما تهوى الأنفس

Muhammad Tazin

Re: Some thoughts on current situation
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2015, 08:28:29 PM »
It is sad when Al nusra & ISIS are taken equallay  :-[
  I remember not speaking out about it because I literally lost friends over speaking about against what happened in Egypt and Libya.



Brother Khaled is right! It is a truly sensitive area! I live far away fro Syria or North Africa.
But as I have known , there is vast difference in ISIS & Al Nusra/Al Qaeda!! They never do mass killing or mad Takfir like ISIS. Isis can't be taken as mujahidin group, as it's run by Bathist officers,mad for avenging rafidha, without caring for Shariah!
I personally got good knowledge of Afghanistan and ex-Afghan Mujahidin, I think, as a lot of people joined the Jihad from this area, and still going to fight US-NATO. All the fake conspiracy theories & propaganda like "Taliban is against civilization"  became clear to me.
If Syrian mujahidin(not FSA or Daesh) are operating things like that in Afghanistan, then things are going better I think. Afghan Mujahidin are always ready to fight a new Super-Power,~It's better to die than livieng under Kuffar ~ & as per bond of Al Qaeda-Taliban, I believe Al qaeda is doing jihad in the same standarad.

al-kulayni

Re: Some thoughts on current situation
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2015, 02:24:42 AM »
Akhi Efendi, you have to remeber the very begining of what people call 'syrian revolution'.
People were killed at Deraa because they were protesting peacefully, then people took guns and weapons to defend themselves against shabiha and syrian army.


Rationalist

Re: Some thoughts on current situation
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2015, 05:09:27 AM »
This is why some of the imams of Ahlul Bayt did taqiyyah. The ones that didn't suffered even more.

Abdullah Efendi

Re: Some thoughts on current situation
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2015, 12:04:24 PM »
Bottom line, that Syria, Libya should be examples for all Muslims world.

No matter how cruel your leaders, DON'T revolt against them, because that will bring much much more mischief.

Rationalist

Re: Some thoughts on current situation
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2015, 02:31:47 AM »
In the Muslim world the revolutionary type of methods always tend to fail and bring in negative consequences. Instead of looking for a change, the Muslims must work with the current situation and try to make it better. This is what the Mutazilla did. They first pledged bayah to many of the Imams of Ahlul bayt. However, when they realized this failed, they worked with the government to try to modify the system. Then finally we had a good ruler like Al Mamoon Rasheed. Likewise even within the Salafis they manage to get a great ruler like King Faisal.

Abdullah Efendi

Re: Some thoughts on current situation
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2015, 07:22:19 AM »
Good ruler like Mamun? Pro shii, mutazili, torturer of Imam Ahmad.

Upon him what he deserves, and upon people who like him!

Muwahhid

Re: Some thoughts on current situation
« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2015, 07:42:21 AM »
What was happening was worse than simply living under oppression, though.

There was an active Iranian agenda in Syria to make Rafidism mainstream.

They built a Rafidi shrine in Raqqa of all places - spent untold millions on it, and made it a place of pilgramige for Rafidi tourists.

See here: http://martinkramer.org/sandbox/tag/raqqa/

So the Syrian uprising simply upset these plans and demonstrated to everyone what the reality was.

the Islamic State destroyed that rafidi shrine, here in the beginning of this video you see it getting blown up:

https://youtu.be/JVE6q6a9epk
« Last Edit: October 20, 2015, 07:44:30 AM by Muwahhid »

Abdullah Efendi

Re: Some thoughts on current situation
« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2015, 08:34:06 AM »
From Islamic perspective, IT IS NOT recommended or good practice to commend any good action of deviant men or groups.

No tadil for people of innovation.

Jarh and Jarh only.

zaid_ibn_ali

Re: Some thoughts on current situation
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2015, 02:35:28 AM »
Very strange thread.

This forum is anti Shia. Bashar is from one of the most extreme Shia sects I.e. Alawites.
According to most on this forum bashar & alawites in general are kafir.
A regular senior member of this forum which exposes Shia is saying its better to live under alawite bashar??

Also I think its best for those outside Syria to leave it to those in Syria to know what the conditions are there. For us who live outside Syria its easy to give our analysis but we aren't there so we should let the syrian people speak for themselves.

Khaled

Re: Some thoughts on current situation
« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2015, 06:40:05 PM »
Very strange thread.

This forum is anti Shia. Bashar is from one of the most extreme Shia sects I.e. Alawites.
According to most on this forum bashar & alawites in general are kafir.
A regular senior member of this forum which exposes Shia is saying its better to live under alawite bashar??

Also I think its best for those outside Syria to leave it to those in Syria to know what the conditions are there. For us who live outside Syria its easy to give our analysis but we aren't there so we should let the syrian people speak for themselves.

I am anti-Shia, but I am more anti-Khawarij.  Remeber that the Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم warned us about the khawarij, but never about the Shi'a.

I do not consider Shi'as kuffar, not their scholars or their laymen, not those who live in Saudi or those who live outside of Saudi.

I think it's better to do things with wisdom, and while life under Bashar was unbearable, it seems at least that back then people were alive, as opposed to now when you have all this unnecessary bloodshed.  Also don't forget, people were scaring us back then with "Syrians are turning Shi'a!!" but don't seem to care that this war is actually causing Muslims to turn Christian!

Finally, as far as letting the people of Syria worry about themselves; well here is the thing.  The actions of the people of Syria actually affect people outside of Syria, nothing happens in a vacuum.  Some of us have family there, while I can't imagine a single Muslims hasn't felt the negative impacts of ISIS. 
كلُّ سُلامى من الناس عليه صدقة كلَّ يوم تطلع فيه الشمس، تَعدلُ بين اثنين صدقة، وتعين الرَّجل في دابَّته فتحمله عليها أو ترفع له عليها متاعَه صدقة، والكلمةُ الطيِّبة صدقة، وبكلِّ خطوة تَمشيها إلى الصلاة صدقة، وتُميط الأذى عن الطريق صدقة

 

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